On 7/20/12 12:48 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:34:52 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 7/20/12 10:28 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 03:43:10 -0700 (PDT), North Star
wrote:

It's time for the US to get tough and ban handguns and automatic
weapons.


They are tough on "automatic weapons" and have been for about 80
years. (NFA 1934).



Not tough enough...it's not difficult to get a permit for a fully auto
firearm.



Huh? I suppose you have never done it.

I KNOW you haven't lately since Md is not signing the BATF form 4s
anymore in virtually any county.



I have no need or interest in owning a fully auto firearm, but I have a
buddy out in Redneck, Virginia (but he's not a redneck) who got one made
in the Vietnam War era a couple of years ago. I asked him about the
paperwork and he said it was nothing special, and the federal charge was
something like $100 (to the best of my memory). Therefore, I concluded
it was *not difficult* to get a permit for a fully automatic firearm.

On 7/20/2012 12:59 PM, X ` Man wrote:

Once upon a time I said; as the story goes,
I have no need or interest in owning a fully auto firearm, but I have a
buddy out in Redneck, Virginia (but he's not a redneck) who got one made
in the Vietnam War era a couple of years ago. I asked him about the
paperwork and he said it was nothing special, and the federal charge was
something like $100 (to the best of my memory). Therefore, I concluded
it was *not difficult* to get a permit for a fully automatic firearm.

Once again Harry jumps to conclusions.

On Friday, July 20, 2012 8:37:12 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article .com>,
says...
>
> On 7/20/2012 6:43 AM, North Star wrote:
> > Worst shooting in Canadian history earlier this week blamed on guns
> > smuggled in from the US and now you have your own massacre in
> > Colorado.
> > It's time for the US to get tough and ban handguns and automatic
> > weapons.
> >
> Ridiculous. Guns have never been convicted of any crime.
> It's time for you to fix your border patrol.

Yeah, it's the NRA gun nuts behind the guns.

Bigot.

On 7/20/12 2:53 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:59:33 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 7/20/12 12:48 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:34:52 -0400, X ` Man

Not tough enough...it's not difficult to get a permit for a fully auto
firearm.



Huh? I suppose you have never done it.

I KNOW you haven't lately since Md is not signing the BATF form 4s
anymore in virtually any county.



I have no need or interest in owning a fully auto firearm, but I have a
buddy out in Redneck, Virginia (but he's not a redneck) who got one made
in the Vietnam War era a couple of years ago. I asked him about the
paperwork and he said it was nothing special, and the federal charge was
something like $100 (to the best of my memory). Therefore, I concluded
it was *not difficult* to get a permit for a fully automatic firearm.


Your friend is in Virginia not Maryland and he was minimizing the
effort everyone went through although the dealer does most of the real
work.
First you buy the gun, then you apply. The dealer holds the gun.
It is a $200 non refundable application fee and it involves being
finger printed, passport pictures and a very extensive background
check by the BATF, the FBI, (probably Homeland these days) and when
they are happy your state and local police get a swing at it. In the
end, your chief local law enforcement officer gets to veto the whole
thing by not signing the form.
The process takes about 90 days and if anyone along the way has a
problem with it, you don't get the gun and you don't get your $200
back. The dealer may also keep some of the money you gave him. The
typical handling fee is around 20-30% of the price of the gun. That is
usually not refundable either.



You're the one who brought up Maryland, not me. I never indicated I was
interested in getting a fully auto firearm, I was simply relaying what
my friend with one said, that it wasn't difficult, and that he lives in
Virginia.

Your description of the process confirms what I said. You fill out a
form, pay a fee, supply fingerprints and a photo (which you usually have
to do to get a carry permit), and wait for it to be approved. Why is
that difficult?

Maybe down there in Crackerville, Florida, you're just not familiar with
the process of filling out forms and waiting for permits.

On 7/20/12 3:49 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:02:52 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 7/20/12 2:53 PM, wrote:


Your friend is in Virginia not Maryland and he was minimizing the
effort everyone went through although the dealer does most of the real
work.
First you buy the gun, then you apply. The dealer holds the gun.
It is a $200 non refundable application fee and it involves being
finger printed, passport pictures and a very extensive background
check by the BATF, the FBI, (probably Homeland these days) and when
they are happy your state and local police get a swing at it. In the
end, your chief local law enforcement officer gets to veto the whole
thing by not signing the form.
The process takes about 90 days and if anyone along the way has a
problem with it, you don't get the gun and you don't get your $200
back. The dealer may also keep some of the money you gave him. The
typical handling fee is around 20-30% of the price of the gun. That is
usually not refundable either.



You're the one who brought up Maryland, not me. I never indicated I was
interested in getting a fully auto firearm, I was simply relaying what
my friend with one said, that it wasn't difficult, and that he lives in
Virginia.

Your description of the process confirms what I said. You fill out a
form, pay a fee, supply fingerprints and a photo (which you usually have
to do to get a carry permit), and wait for it to be approved. Why is
that difficult?

Maybe down there in Crackerville, Florida, you're just not familiar with
the process of filling out forms and waiting for permits.

It is not hard in a physical sense but it is certainly not just buying
one at a gun show.



In Maryland you can take home a long gun or shotgun at a gun show right
after the "quickie" check but a handgun requires a 10-day wait. I think
there should be a 10-day wait for any firearm purchase, and that the
sale of fully auto firearms be prohibited to civilians.

On Friday, July 20, 2012 3:49:26 PM UTC-4, (unknown) wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:02:52 -0400, X ` Man
> wrote:

>On 7/20/12 2:53 PM, wrote:

>>
>> Your friend is in Virginia not Maryland and he was minimizing the
>> effort everyone went through although the dealer does most of the real
>> work.
>> First you buy the gun, then you apply. The dealer holds the gun.
>> It is a $200 non refundable application fee and it involves being
>> finger printed, passport pictures and a very extensive background
>> check by the BATF, the FBI, (probably Homeland these days) and when
>> they are happy your state and local police get a swing at it. In the
>> end, your chief local law enforcement officer gets to veto the whole
>> thing by not signing the form.
>> The process takes about 90 days and if anyone along the way has a
>> problem with it, you don't get the gun and you don't get your $200
>> back. The dealer may also keep some of the money you gave him. The
>> typical handling fee is around 20-30% of the price of the gun. That is
>> usually not refundable either.
>>
>
>
>You're the one who brought up Maryland, not me. I never indicated I was
>interested in getting a fully auto firearm, I was simply relaying what
>my friend with one said, that it wasn't difficult, and that he lives in
>Virginia.
>
>Your description of the process confirms what I said. You fill out a
>form, pay a fee, supply fingerprints and a photo (which you usually have
>to do to get a carry permit), and wait for it to be approved. Why is
>that difficult?
>
>Maybe down there in Crackerville, Florida, you're just not familiar with
>the process of filling out forms and waiting for permits.

It is not hard in a physical sense but it is certainly not just buying
one at a gun show.

The hard work is done by others, not the applicant. Besides, if his friend had anything off-color in his history, it wouldn't have been difficult, it would have been impossible.

Yeah, it's the NRA gun nuts behind the guns.

I don't consider myself to be a 'gun nut' but you've got valid point there. I'm never in front of mine.

?;^ )

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:53:40 -0400, wrote:

your chief local law enforcement officer gets to veto the whole
thing by not signing the form.

========

Yes, and I personally heard from our local sheriff recently that he is
refusing to sign the forms unless he knows the applicant.

On 7/21/12 4:49 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:55:24 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

In Maryland you can take home a long gun or shotgun at a gun show right
after the "quickie" check but a handgun requires a 10-day wait. I think
there should be a 10-day wait for any firearm purchase, and that the
sale of fully auto firearms be prohibited to civilians.

The number of class III weapons was frozen in 1986 (Reagan) so there
have been no new machine guns sold to the public since then. The
gandfathered ones are "property" and protected by the 5th and 6th
amendments, even if you take the Bloomburg spin on the 2d.

Are you really advocating a "taking"?


The fact that the machine guns sold are not new is not relevant. Any
decent smith can restore a used firearm in reasonable shape to "as new"
condition.

Yes, I believe civilian possession of automatic firearms ought be be
illegal. I also can't think of a reason to allow 30 round or larger
mags/clips for semi-auto assault style rifles. I suppose it is fun to
pretend you're a boy soldier in Afghanistan, and carrying a rifle that
looks like theirs, but most of them aren't so hot for hunting or target
practice. I know this because I have hunter friends who take their
"sport" seriously and I've asked them about this.

In fact, I doubt most of those semi-auto assault rifles or their owners
will outshoot for accuracy my .22LR target rifle, and it looks like an
ordinary rifle. Its mags only hold 5 or 10 rounds.

I've got one of these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ayGk8KaN58

On 7/21/2012 4:49 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:55:24 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

In Maryland you can take home a long gun or shotgun at a gun show right
after the "quickie" check but a handgun requires a 10-day wait. I think
there should be a 10-day wait for any firearm purchase, and that the
sale of fully auto firearms be prohibited to civilians.

The number of class III weapons was frozen in 1986 (Reagan) so there
have been no new machine guns sold to the public since then. The
gandfathered ones are "property" and protected by the 5th and 6th
amendments, even if you take the Bloomburg spin on the 2d.

Are you really advocating a "taking"?


Harry's a bit jealous that you have a weapon that he doesn't have and
can't get.