In article m,
says...

On 7/23/2012 3:59 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 7/23/2012 12:42 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:10:37 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:16:40 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 7/22/12 2:47 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 07:54:19 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Florida's Stand Your Ground Laws
Benefit Those with Arrest Records

The 119 people known to have killed and
claimed "stand your ground" were arrested
a combined 327 times prior to the incident
for major crimes, including assault, battery,
theft and probation violation. A third had
four or more major arrests, and a quarter
had 1-3 major arrests.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/...cle1241378.ece

I imagine they are more likely to be in places where they get attacked
more often. If we said they were "poor people living in depressed
neighborhoods" you would be defending them.


You're incredible. No matter what, you're defending the stand your
ground killers.

You folks really have to get your story right. First you say SYG is a
license to kill and then you say Zimmerman will be convicted without a
doubt. Which is it?

Both, the stand your ground law has no bearing on this case.

Why not? Are you saying Zimmerman did not have a legal right to be
there or even to follow martin? As a defacto agent of the HOA he even
had the power to ask martin why he was there.

You keep forgetting this was a stranger behind gates on private
property. Can you ask a guy in your driveway why he is looking into
YOUR car?

Looking into cars.... hearsay.
Martin was legally on that private property.

Are you sure about that? Was he invited on the property? By whom?

Yes. His father's fiancée.

Did
his father even know he was there? When was his father finally notified
of the tragedy?

Yes. Immediately.


Guess again sport.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...t-his-son?lite

Oops! The father wasn't concerned about his under-age son's whereabouts
until the next morning. Martin mush have had a history of staying out
all night without his parents knowledge.

In article m,
says...

On 7/23/2012 3:59 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 7/23/2012 12:42 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:10:37 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:16:40 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 7/22/12 2:47 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 07:54:19 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Florida's Stand Your Ground Laws
Benefit Those with Arrest Records

The 119 people known to have killed and
claimed "stand your ground" were arrested
a combined 327 times prior to the incident
for major crimes, including assault, battery,
theft and probation violation. A third had
four or more major arrests, and a quarter
had 1-3 major arrests.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/...cle1241378.ece

I imagine they are more likely to be in places where they get attacked
more often. If we said they were "poor people living in depressed
neighborhoods" you would be defending them.


You're incredible. No matter what, you're defending the stand your
ground killers.

You folks really have to get your story right. First you say SYG is a
license to kill and then you say Zimmerman will be convicted without a
doubt. Which is it?

Both, the stand your ground law has no bearing on this case.

Why not? Are you saying Zimmerman did not have a legal right to be
there or even to follow martin? As a defacto agent of the HOA he even
had the power to ask martin why he was there.

You keep forgetting this was a stranger behind gates on private
property. Can you ask a guy in your driveway why he is looking into
YOUR car?

Looking into cars.... hearsay.
Martin was legally on that private property.

Are you sure about that? Was he invited on the property? By whom?

Yes. His father's fiancée.

Did
his father even know he was there? When was his father finally notified
of the tragedy?

Yes. Immediately.


Guess again sport.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...t-his-son?lite

Well, that's just more fuel for the fire that the cops were planning
things to see how they can get Zimmerman out of this mess. Thanks!

In article ,
says...

In article m,
says...

On 7/23/2012 3:59 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 7/23/2012 12:42 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:10:37 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:16:40 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 7/22/12 2:47 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 07:54:19 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Florida's Stand Your Ground Laws
Benefit Those with Arrest Records

The 119 people known to have killed and
claimed "stand your ground" were arrested
a combined 327 times prior to the incident
for major crimes, including assault, battery,
theft and probation violation. A third had
four or more major arrests, and a quarter
had 1-3 major arrests.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/...cle1241378.ece

I imagine they are more likely to be in places where they get attacked
more often. If we said they were "poor people living in depressed
neighborhoods" you would be defending them.


You're incredible. No matter what, you're defending the stand your
ground killers.

You folks really have to get your story right. First you say SYG is a
license to kill and then you say Zimmerman will be convicted without a
doubt. Which is it?

Both, the stand your ground law has no bearing on this case.

Why not? Are you saying Zimmerman did not have a legal right to be
there or even to follow martin? As a defacto agent of the HOA he even
had the power to ask martin why he was there.

You keep forgetting this was a stranger behind gates on private
property. Can you ask a guy in your driveway why he is looking into
YOUR car?

Looking into cars.... hearsay.
Martin was legally on that private property.

Are you sure about that? Was he invited on the property? By whom?

Yes. His father's fiancée.

Did
his father even know he was there? When was his father finally notified
of the tragedy?

Yes. Immediately.


Guess again sport.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...t-his-son?lite

Oops! The father wasn't concerned about his under-age son's whereabouts
until the next morning. Martin mush have had a history of staying out
all night without his parents knowledge.

Hearsay and speculation.

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:07:21 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:42:19 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:


You keep forgetting this was a stranger behind gates on private
property. Can you ask a guy in your driveway why he is looking into
YOUR car?

Looking into cars.... hearsay.

That is direct testimony about what Zimmerman saw himself
What Martin may or may not have said in the phone call from the
girlfriend is hearsay.

Martin was legally on that private property.

... and Zimmerman had the right to verify that.

And Martin had the right to refuse giving an UNIDENTIFIED person any
information. No one, including Zimmerman has ever said that he
identified himself as a neighborhood watch vigilante.

The conversation never got that far, Martin broke Zimmerman's nose
first

Cite?

On 7/24/12 8:16 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:07:21 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:42:19 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:


You keep forgetting this was a stranger behind gates on private
property. Can you ask a guy in your driveway why he is looking into
YOUR car?

Looking into cars.... hearsay.

That is direct testimony about what Zimmerman saw himself
What Martin may or may not have said in the phone call from the
girlfriend is hearsay.

Martin was legally on that private property.

... and Zimmerman had the right to verify that.

And Martin had the right to refuse giving an UNIDENTIFIED person any
information. No one, including Zimmerman has ever said that he
identified himself as a neighborhood watch vigilante.

The conversation never got that far, Martin broke Zimmerman's nose
first

Cite?



Fretwell is going to emerge as "The Secret Witness."

On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:15:48 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article .com>,
says...
>
> On 7/23/2012 3:59 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
> > In article b.com>,
> > says...
> >>
> >> On 7/23/2012 12:42 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
> >>> In article > ,
> >>> says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:10:37 -0400, iBoaterer > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> In article > ,
> >>>>> says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:16:40 -0400, X ` Man
> >>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 7/22/12 2:47 PM, wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 07:54:19 -0400, X ` Man
> >>>>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Florida's Stand Your Ground Laws
> >>>>>>>>> Benefit Those with Arrest Records
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The 119 people known to have killed and
> >>>>>>>>> claimed "stand your ground" were arrested
> >>>>>>>>> a combined 327 times prior to the incident
> >>>>>>>>> for major crimes, including assault, battery,
> >>>>>>>>> theft and probation violation. A third had
> >>>>>>>>> four or more major arrests, and a quarter
> >>>>>>>>> had 1-3 major arrests.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/...cle1241378.ece
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I imagine they are more likely to be in places where they get attacked
> >>>>>>>> more often. If we said they were "poor people living in depressed
> >>>>>>>> neighborhoods" you would be defending them.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You're incredible. No matter what, you're defending the stand your
> >>>>>>> ground killers.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You folks really have to get your story right. First you say SYG is a
> >>>>>> license to kill and then you say Zimmerman will be convicted without a
> >>>>>> doubt. Which is it?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Both, the stand your ground law has no bearing on this case.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why not? Are you saying Zimmerman did not have a legal right to be
> >>>> there or even to follow martin? As a defacto agent of the HOA he even
> >>>> had the power to ask martin why he was there.
> >>>>
> >>>> You keep forgetting this was a stranger behind gates on private
> >>>> property. Can you ask a guy in your driveway why he is looking into
> >>>> YOUR car?
> >>>
> >>> Looking into cars.... hearsay.
> >>> Martin was legally on that private property.
> >>>
> >> Are you sure about that? Was he invited on the property? By whom?
> >
> > Yes. His father's fiancée.
> >
> >> Did
> >> his father even know he was there? When was his father finally notified
> >> of the tragedy?
> >
> > Yes. Immediately.
> >
> >
> Guess again sport.
> http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...t-his-son?lite

Well, that's just more fuel for the fire that the cops were planning
things to see how they can get Zimmerman out of this mess. Thanks!

Hearsay and speculation.

In article ,
says...

On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:15:48 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article .com>,
says...
>
> On 7/23/2012 3:59 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
> > In article b.com>,
> > says...
> >>
> >> On 7/23/2012 12:42 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
> >>> In article > ,
> >>> says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:10:37 -0400, iBoaterer > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> In article > ,
> >>>>> says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:16:40 -0400, X ` Man
> >>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 7/22/12 2:47 PM, wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 07:54:19 -0400, X ` Man
> >>>>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Florida's Stand Your Ground Laws
> >>>>>>>>> Benefit Those with Arrest Records
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The 119 people known to have killed and
> >>>>>>>>> claimed "stand your ground" were arrested
> >>>>>>>>> a combined 327 times prior to the incident
> >>>>>>>>> for major crimes, including assault, battery,
> >>>>>>>>> theft and probation violation. A third had
> >>>>>>>>> four or more major arrests, and a quarter
> >>>>>>>>> had 1-3 major arrests.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/...cle1241378.ece
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I imagine they are more likely to be in places where they get attacked
> >>>>>>>> more often. If we said they were "poor people living in depressed
> >>>>>>>> neighborhoods" you would be defending them.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You're incredible. No matter what, you're defending the stand your
> >>>>>>> ground killers.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You folks really have to get your story right. First you say SYG is a
> >>>>>> license to kill and then you say Zimmerman will be convicted without a
> >>>>>> doubt. Which is it?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Both, the stand your ground law has no bearing on this case.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why not? Are you saying Zimmerman did not have a legal right to be
> >>>> there or even to follow martin? As a defacto agent of the HOA he even
> >>>> had the power to ask martin why he was there.
> >>>>
> >>>> You keep forgetting this was a stranger behind gates on private
> >>>> property. Can you ask a guy in your driveway why he is looking into
> >>>> YOUR car?
> >>>
> >>> Looking into cars.... hearsay.
> >>> Martin was legally on that private property.
> >>>
> >> Are you sure about that? Was he invited on the property? By whom?
> >
> > Yes. His father's fiancée.
> >
> >> Did
> >> his father even know he was there? When was his father finally notified
> >> of the tragedy?
> >
> > Yes. Immediately.
> >
> >
> Guess again sport.
> http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...t-his-son?lite

Well, that's just more fuel for the fire that the cops were planning
things to see how they can get Zimmerman out of this mess. Thanks!

Hearsay and speculation.

Uh, no.....

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/2...mission-votes-
no-confidence.html

On 7/23/2012 10:36 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:59:09 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Did
his father even know he was there? When was his father finally notified
of the tragedy?

Yes. Immediately.

Another error, perhaps you should find out before you speak.
The father and his girlfriend did not notice a dozen cops and the EMS
75 feet from their front door and did not really notice Travonn was
gone for 3 hours. (after 11PM)
It was a couple more hours before they actually called the cops and
got the whole thing sorted out. They identified Trayvon at around 3am.


This is he third very different timeline I've seen recently. One report
had dad inquiring about making a MPR after 8AM. Another said it took 3
days before he was reported missing.

On 7/24/2012 8:56 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:15:48 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article .com>,
says...
>
> On 7/23/2012 3:59 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
> > In article b.com>,
> > says...
> >>
> >> On 7/23/2012 12:42 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
> >>> In article > ,
> >>> says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:10:37 -0400, iBoaterer > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> In article > ,
> >>>>> says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:16:40 -0400, X ` Man
> >>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 7/22/12 2:47 PM, wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 07:54:19 -0400, X ` Man
> >>>>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Florida's Stand Your Ground Laws
> >>>>>>>>> Benefit Those with Arrest Records
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The 119 people known to have killed and
> >>>>>>>>> claimed "stand your ground" were arrested
> >>>>>>>>> a combined 327 times prior to the incident
> >>>>>>>>> for major crimes, including assault, battery,
> >>>>>>>>> theft and probation violation. A third had
> >>>>>>>>> four or more major arrests, and a quarter
> >>>>>>>>> had 1-3 major arrests.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/...cle1241378.ece
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I imagine they are more likely to be in places where they get attacked
> >>>>>>>> more often. If we said they were "poor people living in depressed
> >>>>>>>> neighborhoods" you would be defending them.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You're incredible. No matter what, you're defending the stand your
> >>>>>>> ground killers.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You folks really have to get your story right. First you say SYG is a
> >>>>>> license to kill and then you say Zimmerman will be convicted without a
> >>>>>> doubt. Which is it?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Both, the stand your ground law has no bearing on this case.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why not? Are you saying Zimmerman did not have a legal right to be
> >>>> there or even to follow martin? As a defacto agent of the HOA he even
> >>>> had the power to ask martin why he was there.
> >>>>
> >>>> You keep forgetting this was a stranger behind gates on private
> >>>> property. Can you ask a guy in your driveway why he is looking into
> >>>> YOUR car?
> >>>
> >>> Looking into cars.... hearsay.
> >>> Martin was legally on that private property.
> >>>
> >> Are you sure about that? Was he invited on the property? By whom?
> >
> > Yes. His father's fiancée.
> >
> >> Did
> >> his father even know he was there? When was his father finally notified
> >> of the tragedy?
> >
> > Yes. Immediately.
> >
> >
> Guess again sport.
> http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...t-his-son?lite

Well, that's just more fuel for the fire that the cops were planning
things to see how they can get Zimmerman out of this mess. Thanks!

Hearsay and speculation.

And a teensy bit of bat**** crazy for good measure.

In article om,
says...

On 7/24/2012 8:56 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:15:48 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article .com>,
says...
>
> On 7/23/2012 3:59 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
> > In article b.com>,
> > says...
> >>
> >> On 7/23/2012 12:42 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
> >>> In article > ,
> >>> says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:10:37 -0400, iBoaterer > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> In article > ,
> >>>>> says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:16:40 -0400, X ` Man
> >>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 7/22/12 2:47 PM, wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 07:54:19 -0400, X ` Man
> >>>>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Florida's Stand Your Ground Laws
> >>>>>>>>> Benefit Those with Arrest Records
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The 119 people known to have killed and
> >>>>>>>>> claimed "stand your ground" were arrested
> >>>>>>>>> a combined 327 times prior to the incident
> >>>>>>>>> for major crimes, including assault, battery,
> >>>>>>>>> theft and probation violation. A third had
> >>>>>>>>> four or more major arrests, and a quarter
> >>>>>>>>> had 1-3 major arrests.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/...cle1241378.ece
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I imagine they are more likely to be in places where they get attacked
> >>>>>>>> more often. If we said they were "poor people living in depressed
> >>>>>>>> neighborhoods" you would be defending them.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You're incredible. No matter what, you're defending the stand your
> >>>>>>> ground killers.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You folks really have to get your story right. First you say SYG is a
> >>>>>> license to kill and then you say Zimmerman will be convicted without a
> >>>>>> doubt. Which is it?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Both, the stand your ground law has no bearing on this case.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why not? Are you saying Zimmerman did not have a legal right to be
> >>>> there or even to follow martin? As a defacto agent of the HOA he even
> >>>> had the power to ask martin why he was there.
> >>>>
> >>>> You keep forgetting this was a stranger behind gates on private
> >>>> property. Can you ask a guy in your driveway why he is looking into
> >>>> YOUR car?
> >>>
> >>> Looking into cars.... hearsay.
> >>> Martin was legally on that private property.
> >>>
> >> Are you sure about that? Was he invited on the property? By whom?
> >
> > Yes. His father's fiancée.
> >
> >> Did
> >> his father even know he was there? When was his father finally notified
> >> of the tragedy?
> >
> > Yes. Immediately.
> >
> >
> Guess again sport.
> http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...t-his-son?lite

Well, that's just more fuel for the fire that the cops were planning
things to see how they can get Zimmerman out of this mess. Thanks!

Hearsay and speculation.

And a teensy bit of bat**** crazy for good measure.

Oh, really? How?