On 8/6/12 6:58 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:40:57 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 15:18:17 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:29:03 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

Seems as if there are a lot more dumb Democrats than Republicans.

They do seem to have more trouble navigating a complex ballot, finding
their polling place and having a good enough job to have an ID with a
picture on it.

You talking about the folks who've experience 200 years of
institutionalized racism who are easily identified as different from
white?

Why is everything racial with you and Harry. Who is the racist here?

Are you really saying this lack of cognitive skill is racially based?
It just seems to be Democrats.

In Palm Beach County the butterfly ballot baffled old white people.



The butterfly ballot baffled a lot of people, from voters to vote
counters, and it was easy to see why.

Those being disenfranchised by white Republicans tend to be older,
poorer, and minorities.


--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

In article ,
says...

"X ` Man" wrote in message
news
Perhaps such a study wasn't needed, since we already knew the answer,
eh?


Intelligence Study Links Low I.Q. To Prejudice, Racism, Conservatism

Are racists dumb? Do conservatives tend to be less intelligent than
liberals? A provocative new study from Brock University in Ontario
suggests the answer to both questions may be a qualified yes.

The study, published in Psychological Science, showed that people who
score low on I.Q. tests in childhood are more likely to develop
prejudiced beliefs and socially conservative politics in adulthood.

I.Q., or intelligence quotient, is a score determined by standardized
tests, but whether the tests truly reveal intelligence remains a topic
of hot debate among psychologists.

Dr. Gordon Hodson, a professor of psychology at the university and the
study's lead author, said the finding represented evidence of a
vicious
cycle:

*People of low intelligence gravitate toward socially conservative
ideologies, which stress resistance to change and, in turn,
prejudice,*
he told LiveScience.

Why might less intelligent people be drawn to conservative ideologies?
Because such ideologies feature "structure and order" that make it
easier to comprehend a complicated world, Dodson said. "Unfortunately,
many of these features can also contribute to prejudice," he added.

Dr. Brian Nosek, a University of Virginia psychologist, echoed those
sentiments.

"Reality is complicated and messy," he told The Huffington Post in an
email. "Ideologies get rid of the messiness and impose a simpler
solution. So, it may not be surprising that people with less cognitive
capacity will be attracted to simplifying ideologies."


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John F. Kennedy had an IQ of 117 .... above average, but no Einstein
who had an IQ of 160.
Abraham Lincoln had an estimated IQ of 128.
Bill Clinton has an IQ of 137
George W. Bush has an IQ of 125
Adolph Hitler had an IQ of 141.

A high IQ has nothing to do with what a person is. A high IQ is
nothing to be particularly proud or boastful about. It' a gift at
birth.
It's what you do with the IQ that you have that qualifies and
classifies you as a person.

Who would have thought I was in Bill Clintons class of smart?

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 15:18:17 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:29:03 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

Seems as if there are a lot more dumb Democrats than Republicans.

They do seem to have more trouble navigating a complex ballot, finding
their polling place and having a good enough job to have an ID with a
picture on it.

You talking about the folks who've experience 200 years of
institutionalized racism who are easily identified as different from
white?

You do know that slavery is still practiced widely around the world. I
would hope that you use your "intelligence" and "energy" to do something
about it. Or, are you one of the NIMBY's?

On 8/6/12 7:16 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

"X ` Man" wrote in message
news
Perhaps such a study wasn't needed, since we already knew the answer,
eh?


Intelligence Study Links Low I.Q. To Prejudice, Racism, Conservatism

Are racists dumb? Do conservatives tend to be less intelligent than
liberals? A provocative new study from Brock University in Ontario
suggests the answer to both questions may be a qualified yes.

The study, published in Psychological Science, showed that people who
score low on I.Q. tests in childhood are more likely to develop
prejudiced beliefs and socially conservative politics in adulthood.

I.Q., or intelligence quotient, is a score determined by standardized
tests, but whether the tests truly reveal intelligence remains a topic
of hot debate among psychologists.

Dr. Gordon Hodson, a professor of psychology at the university and the
study's lead author, said the finding represented evidence of a
vicious
cycle:

*People of low intelligence gravitate toward socially conservative
ideologies, which stress resistance to change and, in turn,
prejudice,*
he told LiveScience.

Why might less intelligent people be drawn to conservative ideologies?
Because such ideologies feature "structure and order" that make it
easier to comprehend a complicated world, Dodson said. "Unfortunately,
many of these features can also contribute to prejudice," he added.

Dr. Brian Nosek, a University of Virginia psychologist, echoed those
sentiments.

"Reality is complicated and messy," he told The Huffington Post in an
email. "Ideologies get rid of the messiness and impose a simpler
solution. So, it may not be surprising that people with less cognitive
capacity will be attracted to simplifying ideologies."


---------------------------------------------------------

John F. Kennedy had an IQ of 117 .... above average, but no Einstein
who had an IQ of 160.
Abraham Lincoln had an estimated IQ of 128.
Bill Clinton has an IQ of 137
George W. Bush has an IQ of 125
Adolph Hitler had an IQ of 141.

A high IQ has nothing to do with what a person is. A high IQ is
nothing to be particularly proud or boastful about. It' a gift at
birth.
It's what you do with the IQ that you have that qualifies and
classifies you as a person.

Who would have thought I was in Bill Clintons class of smart?



No one.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

On 8/6/12 7:50 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:16:48 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

A high IQ has nothing to do with what a person is. A high IQ is
nothing to be particularly proud or boastful about. It' a gift at
birth.
It's what you do with the IQ that you have that qualifies and
classifies you as a person.

Who would have thought I was in Bill Clintons class of smart?

Bill Clinton may have had a high IQ but he was pretty stupid.
Did he really think any of his lies would hold?
For that matter how smart are you if you are sticking your pecker in
girls around the office?


Still obsessed with Bill's sex life, eh?



--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

On 8/6/2012 7:46 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 19:07:16 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/6/12 6:58 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:40:57 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 15:18:17 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:29:03 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

Seems as if there are a lot more dumb Democrats than Republicans.

They do seem to have more trouble navigating a complex ballot, finding
their polling place and having a good enough job to have an ID with a
picture on it.

You talking about the folks who've experience 200 years of
institutionalized racism who are easily identified as different from
white?

Why is everything racial with you and Harry. Who is the racist here?

Are you really saying this lack of cognitive skill is racially based?
It just seems to be Democrats.

In Palm Beach County the butterfly ballot baffled old white people.



The butterfly ballot baffled a lot of people, from voters to vote
counters, and it was easy to see why.

Those being disenfranchised by white Republicans tend to be older,
poorer, and minorities.

The butterfly ballot was much ado about nothing. They gave it to a
class of second graders and they figured it out with no problems.
(using fictional candidates)
It is even questionable that anyone was actually confused.
3200 people punched Buchanan, about a third of the number of people
who voted for him in the primary, with far fewer people voting in the
primary and a single page ballot.
There was absolutely zero difference for the counter. That 3505 card
reader just read it like any other punch card and when they held it up
to manually count it, they were just looking at the hole.

The people are allegedly being disenfranchised by complicated
procedures. It would be less intelligent people baffled by that
wouldn't it?

BTW that evil plot to steal Gore votes was perpetrated by a
Democratically run election board. (Palm Beach is a very "blue"
county) Were they scheming or just dumb?


They were trying to cheat any way they could. I am sure Ohio will be
ripe with cheating this time around.. Look for more vote buying and
Mickey Mouse living on every block..

On 8/6/12 8:56 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 8/6/2012 7:46 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 19:07:16 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/6/12 6:58 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:40:57 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 15:18:17 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:29:03 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

Seems as if there are a lot more dumb Democrats than Republicans.

They do seem to have more trouble navigating a complex ballot,
finding
their polling place and having a good enough job to have an ID with a
picture on it.

You talking about the folks who've experience 200 years of
institutionalized racism who are easily identified as different from
white?

Why is everything racial with you and Harry. Who is the racist here?

Are you really saying this lack of cognitive skill is racially based?
It just seems to be Democrats.

In Palm Beach County the butterfly ballot baffled old white people.



The butterfly ballot baffled a lot of people, from voters to vote
counters, and it was easy to see why.

Those being disenfranchised by white Republicans tend to be older,
poorer, and minorities.

The butterfly ballot was much ado about nothing. They gave it to a
class of second graders and they figured it out with no problems.
(using fictional candidates)
It is even questionable that anyone was actually confused.
3200 people punched Buchanan, about a third of the number of people
who voted for him in the primary, with far fewer people voting in the
primary and a single page ballot.
There was absolutely zero difference for the counter. That 3505 card
reader just read it like any other punch card and when they held it up
to manually count it, they were just looking at the hole.

The people are allegedly being disenfranchised by complicated
procedures. It would be less intelligent people baffled by that
wouldn't it?

BTW that evil plot to steal Gore votes was perpetrated by a
Democratically run election board. (Palm Beach is a very "blue"
county) Were they scheming or just dumb?


They were trying to cheat any way they could. I am sure Ohio will be
ripe with cheating this time around.. Look for more vote buying and
Mickey Mouse living on every block..


You're sure? What the hell do you know about election procedures in
Ohio? Answer? Nothing.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

On 8/6/12 9:34 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 19:55:20 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/6/12 7:50 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:16:48 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

A high IQ has nothing to do with what a person is. A high IQ is
nothing to be particularly proud or boastful about. It' a gift at
birth.
It's what you do with the IQ that you have that qualifies and
classifies you as a person.

Who would have thought I was in Bill Clintons class of smart?

Bill Clinton may have had a high IQ but he was pretty stupid.
Did he really think any of his lies would hold?
For that matter how smart are you if you are sticking your pecker in
girls around the office?


Still obsessed with Bill's sex life, eh?

The issue was how smart he was supposed to be. That was dumb.
It will also be his legacy


That must be why he is so popular today, eh?

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

"X ` Man" wrote in message ...

On 8/6/12 2:29 PM, Califbill wrote:

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Seems as if there are a lot more dumb Democrats than Republicans. Just
from the number of Dems register vs. Repubs. And you look at the
reverse racism of cities like Detroit and Chicago who are probably 95%
Democrat it seems as if low IQ is not a requirement for right wing racism.


As someone who supported Crazy Zell Miller, Bilious Bill, you are
permanently disqualified from discussions about intellect. Sorry.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.
-------------------
Must have hit a sore point with you. right to the personal sneers. Zell
could not have screwed up the country as much as the last 2 Presidents have
managed to screw the pooch.

"jps" wrote in message ...

On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:29:03 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message ...

On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:25:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"X ` Man" wrote in message
news:ZqednT4424qqVoLNnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@earthlink. com...

On 8/6/12 8:43 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"X ` Man" wrote in message
news
Perhaps such a study wasn't needed, since we already knew the
answer, eh?


Intelligence Study Links Low I.Q. To Prejudice, Racism, Conservatism

Are racists dumb? Do conservatives tend to be less intelligent than
liberals? A provocative new study from Brock University in Ontario
suggests the answer to both questions may be a qualified yes.

The study, published in Psychological Science, showed that people
who
score low on I.Q. tests in childhood are more likely to develop
prejudiced beliefs and socially conservative politics in adulthood.

I.Q., or intelligence quotient, is a score determined by
standardized
tests, but whether the tests truly reveal intelligence remains a
topic
of hot debate among psychologists.

Dr. Gordon Hodson, a professor of psychology at the university and
the
study's lead author, said the finding represented evidence of a
vicious
cycle:

*People of low intelligence gravitate toward socially conservative
ideologies, which stress resistance to change and, in turn,
prejudice,*
he told LiveScience.

Why might less intelligent people be drawn to conservative
ideologies?
Because such ideologies feature "structure and order" that make it
easier to comprehend a complicated world, Dodson said.
"Unfortunately,
many of these features can also contribute to prejudice," he added.

Dr. Brian Nosek, a University of Virginia psychologist, echoed those
sentiments.

"Reality is complicated and messy," he told The Huffington Post in
an
email. "Ideologies get rid of the messiness and impose a simpler
solution. So, it may not be surprising that people with less
cognitive
capacity will be attracted to simplifying ideologies."


---------------------------------------------------------

John F. Kennedy had an IQ of 117 .... above average, but no
Einstein
who had an IQ of 160.
Abraham Lincoln had an estimated IQ of 128.
Bill Clinton has an IQ of 137
George W. Bush has an IQ of 125
Adolph Hitler had an IQ of 141.

A high IQ has nothing to do with what a person is. A high IQ is
nothing
to be particularly proud or boastful about. It' a gift at birth.
It's what you do with the IQ that you have that qualifies and
classifies
you as a person.



The study wasn't about "high" or "low" IQ tests but a correlation
between "people who score low on I.Q. tests in childhood are more
likely to develop prejudiced beliefs and socially conservative
politics
in adulthood."

--------------------------------------------

I understand that. I was not commenting on the study you cited. I
was commenting on those who think they are superior in some way
because they were gifted with a higher than average IQ. First of
all, they didn't earn it and second of all not all put it to
productive use.

It's no wonder the conservative movement can appeal to the six-pack
and fundy communities, who gravitate towards simple lifestyles and
simple answers.

Bumper sticker logic brings comfort to those who are uncomfortable
wrestling with complex issues.

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Seems as if there are a lot more dumb Democrats than Republicans. Just
from
the number of Dems register vs. Repubs. And you look at the reverse racism
of cities like Detroit and Chicago who are probably 95% Democrat it seems
as
if low IQ is not a requirement for right wing racism.

"Seems as if...."

I'm sure you've got plenty of stats to support your assertion. Not.

Given the institutional racism that's existed in this country for
hundreds of years, you think that would be trumped by people's
tendency toward conservatism, assuming a low IQ?


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Huh? As to institutional racism. there has been discrimination against,
Blacks, Irish, Mormon's were officially allowed to be killed with no
penalty. Only religion so done in the history of the USA. We now have
reverse racism. Can not get a job if white, college educated, but a lesser
qualified person of black color will be advanced ahead of time. Mexicans
have been discriminated against and they seem to hold a majority of the jobs
these days, without the governmental support other people have. Maybe
because they can add and subtract and do not have a 50-73% dropout rate from
school. Why do I have to show an ID to get on an airplane, but not to vote?