You folks in the red states really know how to keep people safe.

Per capita gun deaths state-by-state:

#1, Mississippi
Gun deaths per 100,000: 18.3
Permissive gun laws: 4th out of 50

#2, Arizona
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 1st out of 50

#3, Alaska
Gun deaths per 100,000: 17.6
Permissive gun laws: 11th out of 50

#4, Arkansas
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15.1
Permissive gun laws: 7th out of 50

#5, Louisiana
Gun deaths per 100,000: 19.9
Permissive gun laws: 23rd out of 50

#6, New Mexico
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 6th out of 50

#7, Alabama
Gun deaths per 100,000: 17.6
Permissive gun laws: 27th out of 50

#8, Nevada
Gun deaths per 100,000: 16.2
Permissive gun laws: 22nd out of 50

#9, Montana
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.5
Permissive gun laws: 10th out of 50

#10, Wyoming
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.5
Permissive gun laws: 8th out of 50

#11, Kentucky
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.4
Permissive gun laws: 5th out of 50

#12, West Virginia
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.8
Permissive gun laws: 25th out of 50

#13, Tennessee
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 31st out of 50

#14, Oklahoma
Gun deaths per 100,000: 13.4
Permissive gun laws: 17th out of 50

#15, Idaho
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.5
Permissive gun laws: 2nd out of 50

#16, Georgia
Gun deaths per 100,000: 13.1
Permissive gun laws: 13th out of 50

#17, Missouri
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.9
Permissive gun laws: 12th out of 50

#18, South Carolina
Gun deaths per 100,000: 13.4
Permissive gun laws: 20th out of 50

#19, North Carolina
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.3
Permissive gun laws: 28th out of 50

#20, Florida
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.5
Permissive gun laws: 41st out of 50

#21, Kansas
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.5
Permissive gun laws: 14th out of 50

#22, Indiana
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.6
Permissive gun laws: 21st out of 50

#23, Texas
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.7
Permissive gun laws: 32nd out of 50

#24, Michigan
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.9
Permissive gun laws: 39th out of 50

#25, Maryland
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.1
Permissive gun laws: 44th out of 50

#26, Colorado
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.4
Permissive gun laws: 24rd out of 50

#27, Pennsylvania
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.7
Permissive gun laws: 40th out of 50

#28, Virginia
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.7
Permissive gun laws: 35th out of 50

#29, Utah
Gun deaths per 100,000: 9.5
Permissive gun laws: 18th out of 50

#30, Vermont
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.4
Permissive gun laws: 3rd out of 50

#31, Oregon
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.4
Permissive gun laws: 30th out of 50

#32, North Dakota
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.9
Permissive gun laws: 15th out of 50

#33, Ohio
Gun deaths per 100,000: 9.6
Permissive gun laws: 29th out of 50

#34, Maine
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.1
Permissive gun laws: 9th out of 50

#35, Delaware
Gun deaths per 100,000: 9.2
Permissive gun laws: 33rd out of 50

#36, Wisconsin
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.7
Permissive gun laws: 34th out of 50

#37, Nebraska
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8
Permissive gun laws: 19th out of 50

#38, South Dakota
Gun deaths per 100,000: 6.5
Permissive gun laws: 16th out of 50

#39, Washington
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.5
Permissive gun laws: 37th out of 50

#40, California
Gun deaths per 100,000: 9
Permissive gun laws: 50th out of 50

#41, New Hampshire
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.9
Permissive gun laws: 26th out of 50

#42, Minnesota
Gun deaths per 100,000: 6.6
Permissive gun laws: 36th out of 50

#43, Illinois
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8
Permissive gun laws: 45th out of 50

#44, Iowa
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.3
Permissive gun laws: 38th out of 50

#45, New York
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.1
Permissive gun laws: 43rd out of 50

#46, New Jersey
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.2
Permissive gun laws: 49th out of 50

#47, Connecticut
Gun deaths per 100,000: 4.3
Permissive gun laws: 46th out of 50

#48, Rhode Island
Gun deaths per 100,000: 3.5
Permissive gun laws: 42nd out of 50

#49, Massachusetts
Gun deaths per 100,000: 3.6
Permissive gun laws: 48th out of 50

#50, Hawaii
Gun deaths per 100,000: 2.8
Permissive gun laws: 47th out of 50

On 8/11/2012 3:40 PM, jps wrote:

You folks in the red states really know how to keep people safe.

Per capita gun deaths state-by-state:

#1, Mississippi
Gun deaths per 100,000: 18.3
Permissive gun laws: 4th out of 50

#2, Arizona
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 1st out of 50

#3, Alaska
Gun deaths per 100,000: 17.6
Permissive gun laws: 11th out of 50

#4, Arkansas
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15.1
Permissive gun laws: 7th out of 50

#5, Louisiana
Gun deaths per 100,000: 19.9
Permissive gun laws: 23rd out of 50

#6, New Mexico
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 6th out of 50

#7, Alabama
Gun deaths per 100,000: 17.6
Permissive gun laws: 27th out of 50

#8, Nevada
Gun deaths per 100,000: 16.2
Permissive gun laws: 22nd out of 50

#9, Montana
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.5
Permissive gun laws: 10th out of 50

#10, Wyoming
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.5
Permissive gun laws: 8th out of 50

#11, Kentucky
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.4
Permissive gun laws: 5th out of 50

#12, West Virginia
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.8
Permissive gun laws: 25th out of 50

#13, Tennessee
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 31st out of 50

#14, Oklahoma
Gun deaths per 100,000: 13.4
Permissive gun laws: 17th out of 50

#15, Idaho
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.5
Permissive gun laws: 2nd out of 50

#16, Georgia
Gun deaths per 100,000: 13.1
Permissive gun laws: 13th out of 50

#17, Missouri
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.9
Permissive gun laws: 12th out of 50

#18, South Carolina
Gun deaths per 100,000: 13.4
Permissive gun laws: 20th out of 50

#19, North Carolina
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.3
Permissive gun laws: 28th out of 50

#20, Florida
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.5
Permissive gun laws: 41st out of 50

#21, Kansas
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.5
Permissive gun laws: 14th out of 50

#22, Indiana
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.6
Permissive gun laws: 21st out of 50

#23, Texas
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.7
Permissive gun laws: 32nd out of 50

#24, Michigan
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.9
Permissive gun laws: 39th out of 50

#25, Maryland
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.1
Permissive gun laws: 44th out of 50

#26, Colorado
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.4
Permissive gun laws: 24rd out of 50

#27, Pennsylvania
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.7
Permissive gun laws: 40th out of 50

#28, Virginia
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.7
Permissive gun laws: 35th out of 50

#29, Utah
Gun deaths per 100,000: 9.5
Permissive gun laws: 18th out of 50

#30, Vermont
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.4
Permissive gun laws: 3rd out of 50

#31, Oregon
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.4
Permissive gun laws: 30th out of 50

#32, North Dakota
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.9
Permissive gun laws: 15th out of 50

#33, Ohio
Gun deaths per 100,000: 9.6
Permissive gun laws: 29th out of 50

#34, Maine
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.1
Permissive gun laws: 9th out of 50

#35, Delaware
Gun deaths per 100,000: 9.2
Permissive gun laws: 33rd out of 50

#36, Wisconsin
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.7
Permissive gun laws: 34th out of 50

#37, Nebraska
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8
Permissive gun laws: 19th out of 50

#38, South Dakota
Gun deaths per 100,000: 6.5
Permissive gun laws: 16th out of 50

#39, Washington
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.5
Permissive gun laws: 37th out of 50

#40, California
Gun deaths per 100,000: 9
Permissive gun laws: 50th out of 50

#41, New Hampshire
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.9
Permissive gun laws: 26th out of 50

#42, Minnesota
Gun deaths per 100,000: 6.6
Permissive gun laws: 36th out of 50

#43, Illinois
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8
Permissive gun laws: 45th out of 50

#44, Iowa
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.3
Permissive gun laws: 38th out of 50

#45, New York
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.1
Permissive gun laws: 43rd out of 50

#46, New Jersey
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.2
Permissive gun laws: 49th out of 50

#47, Connecticut
Gun deaths per 100,000: 4.3
Permissive gun laws: 46th out of 50

#48, Rhode Island
Gun deaths per 100,000: 3.5
Permissive gun laws: 42nd out of 50

#49, Massachusetts
Gun deaths per 100,000: 3.6
Permissive gun laws: 48th out of 50

#50, Hawaii
Gun deaths per 100,000: 2.8
Permissive gun laws: 47th out of 50

There's 13 states with tougher gun laws than Washington. Hell you aren't
even in the safest 25 percentile. Pack your bags and put your kids in a
safer place.

On 8/11/12 8:24 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:40:23 -0700, jps wrote:

#20, Florida
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.5
Permissive gun laws: 41st out of 50


#25, Maryland
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.1
Permissive gun laws: 44th out of 50

Good thing we are safe



Florida has gun laws? Really?

I like parts of Florida, but of all the places I have lived, I thought
the State of Florida was the most backwards, in every way possible. That
includes its gun laws.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:40:23 -0700, jps wrote:

More anti-gun crap with no presented solution.

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:40:23 -0700, jps wrote:

More anti-gun crap with no presented solution.

Any discussion is good for getting to a solution.
Might not be one. Depends on how many more innocents get slaughtered,
what frequency, etc.
The last few mass shootings were committed by perfectly legal purchasers
of guns. Maybe that's the norm. I don't keep track.
Then legal gun sales went up so people could protect themselves from
other legal purchasers of guns. Common pattern.
Real sweet for the NRA. Mass gun killings are a good thing for the NRA
and gun industry if it doesn't get out of hand.
Lots of money in guns. Lots of money.
So as long as gun killings don't get past a certain tipping point,
nothing will change.
Can't change it without an outright ban on guns.
Legal buyers' guns will get stolen from them by killers, or lost, and
found by killers. Legal buyers sell guns to killers.
Killers can legally buy guns. They only become illegal when the killer
starts pulling the trigger.
So-called "legal" gun dealers will keep on selling to legal "straw"
purchasers, who then sell the guns to killers.
It's a big money industry. Lots of money, lots of money. Gun nuts.
Part of the culture is gun nuts too. Look right here at all the talk
about guns.
Gives some a feeling of potency, I suspect. Dick replacement therapy.
Me, I like loud yelling and fists for settling disputes.
If I get my ass kicked and survive, then I can think if it's worth
getting a gun and shooting the SOB. Got a cool-off time in there.
So far, by the time I was patched up from the ass-kicking I just decided
to take my lumps. 'Course I'm not a killer.
Not fearful enough to have a gun around either. I did carry for a while
after I stole a man's wife from him. I ain't too stupid.
So I don't support the NRA. That's for killers and gun nuts.
When the majority of people come to the conclusion that there's no
practical difference between the killers and the gun nuts, things might
change. I ain't holding my breath. Too much money in it.
Hell, people keep voting for Republicans. That's even more crazy.

On 8/12/2012 12:04 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:40:23 -0700, jps wrote:

More anti-gun crap with no presented solution.

Any discussion is good for getting to a solution.
Might not be one. Depends on how many more innocents get slaughtered,
what frequency, etc.
The last few mass shootings were committed by perfectly legal purchasers
of guns. Maybe that's the norm. I don't keep track.
Then legal gun sales went up so people could protect themselves from
other legal purchasers of guns. Common pattern.
Real sweet for the NRA. Mass gun killings are a good thing for the NRA
and gun industry if it doesn't get out of hand.
Lots of money in guns. Lots of money.
So as long as gun killings don't get past a certain tipping point,
nothing will change.
Can't change it without an outright ban on guns.
Legal buyers' guns will get stolen from them by killers, or lost, and
found by killers. Legal buyers sell guns to killers.
Killers can legally buy guns. They only become illegal when the killer
starts pulling the trigger.
So-called "legal" gun dealers will keep on selling to legal "straw"
purchasers, who then sell the guns to killers.
It's a big money industry. Lots of money, lots of money. Gun nuts.
Part of the culture is gun nuts too. Look right here at all the talk
about guns.
Gives some a feeling of potency, I suspect. Dick replacement therapy.
Me, I like loud yelling and fists for settling disputes.
If I get my ass kicked and survive, then I can think if it's worth
getting a gun and shooting the SOB. Got a cool-off time in there.
So far, by the time I was patched up from the ass-kicking I just decided
to take my lumps. 'Course I'm not a killer.
Not fearful enough to have a gun around either. I did carry for a while
after I stole a man's wife from him. I ain't too stupid.
So I don't support the NRA. That's for killers and gun nuts.
When the majority of people come to the conclusion that there's no
practical difference between the killers and the gun nuts, things might
change. I ain't holding my breath. Too much money in it.
Hell, people keep voting for Republicans. That's even more crazy.


So What are you using for a dick substitute these days?

On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 11:04:41 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:40:23 -0700, jps wrote:

More anti-gun crap with no presented solution.

Any discussion is good for getting to a solution.
Might not be one. Depends on how many more innocents get slaughtered,
what frequency, etc.
The last few mass shootings were committed by perfectly legal purchasers
of guns. Maybe that's the norm. I don't keep track.
Then legal gun sales went up so people could protect themselves from
other legal purchasers of guns. Common pattern.
Real sweet for the NRA. Mass gun killings are a good thing for the NRA
and gun industry if it doesn't get out of hand.
Lots of money in guns. Lots of money.
So as long as gun killings don't get past a certain tipping point,
nothing will change.
Can't change it without an outright ban on guns.
Legal buyers' guns will get stolen from them by killers, or lost, and
found by killers. Legal buyers sell guns to killers.
Killers can legally buy guns. They only become illegal when the killer
starts pulling the trigger.
So-called "legal" gun dealers will keep on selling to legal "straw"
purchasers, who then sell the guns to killers.
It's a big money industry. Lots of money, lots of money. Gun nuts.
Part of the culture is gun nuts too. Look right here at all the talk
about guns.
Gives some a feeling of potency, I suspect. Dick replacement therapy.
Me, I like loud yelling and fists for settling disputes.
If I get my ass kicked and survive, then I can think if it's worth
getting a gun and shooting the SOB. Got a cool-off time in there.
So far, by the time I was patched up from the ass-kicking I just decided
to take my lumps. 'Course I'm not a killer.
Not fearful enough to have a gun around either. I did carry for a while
after I stole a man's wife from him. I ain't too stupid.
So I don't support the NRA. That's for killers and gun nuts.
When the majority of people come to the conclusion that there's no
practical difference between the killers and the gun nuts, things might
change. I ain't holding my breath. Too much money in it.
Hell, people keep voting for Republicans. That's even more crazy.

Well said.

On 8/12/12 1:21 PM, jps wrote:
On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 11:04:41 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:40:23 -0700, jps wrote:

More anti-gun crap with no presented solution.

Any discussion is good for getting to a solution.
Might not be one. Depends on how many more innocents get slaughtered,
what frequency, etc.
The last few mass shootings were committed by perfectly legal purchasers
of guns. Maybe that's the norm. I don't keep track.
Then legal gun sales went up so people could protect themselves from
other legal purchasers of guns. Common pattern.
Real sweet for the NRA. Mass gun killings are a good thing for the NRA
and gun industry if it doesn't get out of hand.
Lots of money in guns. Lots of money.
So as long as gun killings don't get past a certain tipping point,
nothing will change.
Can't change it without an outright ban on guns.
Legal buyers' guns will get stolen from them by killers, or lost, and
found by killers. Legal buyers sell guns to killers.
Killers can legally buy guns. They only become illegal when the killer
starts pulling the trigger.
So-called "legal" gun dealers will keep on selling to legal "straw"
purchasers, who then sell the guns to killers.
It's a big money industry. Lots of money, lots of money. Gun nuts.
Part of the culture is gun nuts too. Look right here at all the talk
about guns.
Gives some a feeling of potency, I suspect. Dick replacement therapy.
Me, I like loud yelling and fists for settling disputes.
If I get my ass kicked and survive, then I can think if it's worth
getting a gun and shooting the SOB. Got a cool-off time in there.
So far, by the time I was patched up from the ass-kicking I just decided
to take my lumps. 'Course I'm not a killer.
Not fearful enough to have a gun around either. I did carry for a while
after I stole a man's wife from him. I ain't too stupid.
So I don't support the NRA. That's for killers and gun nuts.
When the majority of people come to the conclusion that there's no
practical difference between the killers and the gun nuts, things might
change. I ain't holding my breath. Too much money in it.
Hell, people keep voting for Republicans. That's even more crazy.

Well said.



Speaking of "straw purchasers," Virginia might be the epicenter of that.
Individuals with trunks full of guns show up at gun shows and set up
shop in the parking lot, selling guns to other individuals who don't
want to bother with niceties such as background checks and waiting
periods. In Virginia, it is legal for individuals to sell firearms to
other individuals without paperwork. There have been several newspaper
and tv "exposes" on this practice.

I personally know this is the case. Some years ago, I sold my Sig X-5
pistol to a Virginia resident. I went through a Virginia FFL, but when I
called the Virginia authorities, I was told such a step was not
necessary, that the gun could be sold to the individual without going
through an FFL.

So long as there is permissiveness like that there is no way to keep
handguns out of the hands of criminals or psychoscotties.

--
I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant
science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern
Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country.

On Sunday, August 12, 2012 1:21:16 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:
On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 11:04:41 -0500, Boating All Out

wrote:



In article ,

says...



On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:40:23 -0700, jps wrote:



More anti-gun crap with no presented solution.



Any discussion is good for getting to a solution.

Might not be one. Depends on how many more innocents get slaughtered,

what frequency, etc.

The last few mass shootings were committed by perfectly legal purchasers

of guns. Maybe that's the norm. I don't keep track.

Then legal gun sales went up so people could protect themselves from

other legal purchasers of guns. Common pattern.

Real sweet for the NRA. Mass gun killings are a good thing for the NRA

and gun industry if it doesn't get out of hand.

Lots of money in guns. Lots of money.

So as long as gun killings don't get past a certain tipping point,

nothing will change.

Can't change it without an outright ban on guns.

Legal buyers' guns will get stolen from them by killers, or lost, and

found by killers. Legal buyers sell guns to killers.

Killers can legally buy guns. They only become illegal when the killer

starts pulling the trigger.

So-called "legal" gun dealers will keep on selling to legal "straw"

purchasers, who then sell the guns to killers.

It's a big money industry. Lots of money, lots of money. Gun nuts.

Part of the culture is gun nuts too. Look right here at all the talk

about guns.

Gives some a feeling of potency, I suspect. Dick replacement therapy.

Me, I like loud yelling and fists for settling disputes.

If I get my ass kicked and survive, then I can think if it's worth

getting a gun and shooting the SOB. Got a cool-off time in there.

So far, by the time I was patched up from the ass-kicking I just decided

to take my lumps. 'Course I'm not a killer.

Not fearful enough to have a gun around either. I did carry for a while

after I stole a man's wife from him. I ain't too stupid.

So I don't support the NRA. That's for killers and gun nuts.

When the majority of people come to the conclusion that there's no

practical difference between the killers and the gun nuts, things might

change. I ain't holding my breath. Too much money in it.

Hell, people keep voting for Republicans. That's even more crazy.



Well said.

Hilarious. A pants-****er from Seattle taking his cues from a half-wit that spews incomplete sentences taken straight from the usual liberal talking point outlets. Perfect!

On 8/12/2012 8:16 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, August 12, 2012 1:21:16 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:
On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 11:04:41 -0500, Boating All Out

wrote:



In article ,

says...



On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:40:23 -0700, jps wrote:



More anti-gun crap with no presented solution.



Any discussion is good for getting to a solution.

Might not be one. Depends on how many more innocents get slaughtered,

what frequency, etc.

The last few mass shootings were committed by perfectly legal purchasers

of guns. Maybe that's the norm. I don't keep track.

Then legal gun sales went up so people could protect themselves from

other legal purchasers of guns. Common pattern.

Real sweet for the NRA. Mass gun killings are a good thing for the NRA

and gun industry if it doesn't get out of hand.

Lots of money in guns. Lots of money.

So as long as gun killings don't get past a certain tipping point,

nothing will change.

Can't change it without an outright ban on guns.

Legal buyers' guns will get stolen from them by killers, or lost, and

found by killers. Legal buyers sell guns to killers.

Killers can legally buy guns. They only become illegal when the killer

starts pulling the trigger.

So-called "legal" gun dealers will keep on selling to legal "straw"

purchasers, who then sell the guns to killers.

It's a big money industry. Lots of money, lots of money. Gun nuts.

Part of the culture is gun nuts too. Look right here at all the talk

about guns.

Gives some a feeling of potency, I suspect. Dick replacement therapy.

Me, I like loud yelling and fists for settling disputes.

If I get my ass kicked and survive, then I can think if it's worth

getting a gun and shooting the SOB. Got a cool-off time in there.

So far, by the time I was patched up from the ass-kicking I just decided

to take my lumps. 'Course I'm not a killer.

Not fearful enough to have a gun around either. I did carry for a while

after I stole a man's wife from him. I ain't too stupid.

So I don't support the NRA. That's for killers and gun nuts.

When the majority of people come to the conclusion that there's no

practical difference between the killers and the gun nuts, things might

change. I ain't holding my breath. Too much money in it.

Hell, people keep voting for Republicans. That's even more crazy.



Well said.

Hilarious. A pants-****er from Seattle taking his cues from a half-wit that spews incomplete sentences taken straight from the usual liberal talking point outlets. Perfect!


So the guy doesn't believe in guns, unless he needs one at the time..
Why take anything he says seriously, really?