On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 19:14:55 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/7/12 6:51 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/7/2012 4:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 14:42:33 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

Are y'all anti-all religions, or only Christianity?

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I don't think this was directed at me but allow me to chip in my 2
cents worth. I'm not anti religious at all, not yours, nor anyone
else, but I am a *really* strong proponent of the separation of church
and state. The founders of this great country were all too familiar
with state sponsored religion and wanted no part of it here, and for
really good reasons. The first amendment did not happen by accident.

You think a Christmas tree is "State Sponsored Religion"?

If the state pays for the tree and/or sets it up on state property, it
certainly is state sponsored religion. It is promoting Christmas, a
religious holiday. On private property, on church property, it is just a
Christmas tree.

After you pay your taxes, you should write a letter to your President and inform him of the fact. I
believe he was singing CHRISTmas carols at the lighting of the national CHRISTmas tree the other
evening.

On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 07:48:39 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

Gotcha. Atheists attack only *dominant* religions. (Not to mention those that won't blow up their
car when the wrong bumper sticker is attached!)

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Forget the atheists. I'm much more concerned about the people who
want to implement their particular version of sharia law, and
unfortunately that seems to include you.

On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 19:29:07 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 18:51:04 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

You think a Christmas tree is "State Sponsored Religion"?

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Christmas trees are symbols, interesting symbols at that, and yes, we
have one.

Christmas trees of course have nothing to do with Christianity, at
least not originally. Christmas trees were originally part of a
northern european tradition of celebrating the winter solstice
(shortest day of the year). Those celebrations were widely associated
with various pagan religions, so in a way, the trees were religious
symbols of sorts even then. As Christianity spread northward from
Rome, missionaries of the faith recognized that people would not
readily give up all of their old traditions, so the celebration of
Christmas was melded in with trees, yule logs and other winter
solstice celebrations. At present Christmas trees are very much
associated with the celebration of Christmas however, and Christmas
(surprise, surprise) is very much a religious holiday, a religion that
not everyone participates in. Their argument (the non Christians),
is that the government should not be participating in religious
symbolism, and perhaps they have a good case. Are non Christians bad
people who should be ignored? Not necessarily. There are plenty of
people who are good citizens, and of high moral standards, who
believe in some other religion or no religion at all. Religion is a
very personal thing that depends in no small part on how you were
brought up. Government should not be involved in that kind of
personal choice.

I like it when you sound like Chuck Gould.

Regardless of all the paganism associated (by some) with the holiday, the tree is still called a
CHRISTmas tree.

Yesterday evening we went to a Christmas concert put on by the US Navy's 'Country Currents' and 'Sea
Chanters' ensembles. Got to see Daryl Duff in one of his last performances, as he is retiring soon.
(Daryl - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHjlndif1p0 )
(Country Current - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mwi...66A1&index= 1 )

They put on a great show. Daryl Duff's 'Oh Holy Night' received a well-deserved standing ovation.

But, I digress....on the way home folks in the car marveled at some of the houses beautifully
decorated with Christmas lights. I had the thought that the birth of Jesus (whether you believe the
religious aspects thereof or not) has sure provided jobs to a lot of Chinese making Christmas lights
guaranteed to last only one season - or less.

On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 19:33:39 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 14:42:33 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

Are y'all anti-all religions, or only Christianity? I recently saw a bumper sticker that said, "So
many Christians, So few lions." I suppose it takes no balls to attack Christians. I wonder why I've
never seen a bumper sticker saying, "So many Muslims, So few virgins."

In fact, I've seen very little of atheists taking action against Muslim activities. Are atheists
mostly just afraid of Muslims? Or, is the Muslim God OK with atheists?

Muslims, Christians, Jews. What is the difference?

The Jes don't seek converts. The Christians talk you into converting.
The Muslims hold a knife to your neck and make you convert.

LMAO!

So true.

On 12/8/12 7:51 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 16:42:52 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 14:42:33 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

Are y'all anti-all religions, or only Christianity?

===

I don't think this was directed at me but allow me to chip in my 2
cents worth. I'm not anti religious at all, not yours, nor anyone
else, but I am a *really* strong proponent of the separation of church
and state. The founders of this great country were all too familiar
with state sponsored religion and wanted no part of it here, and for
really good reasons. The first amendment did not happen by accident.

There is no place for Sharia law in this country, not the Papal
version, not the Islamic version, or any other version. It is my
personal opinion that any church which tries to influence legislation
or any other governmental process should have their tax exemption
revoked. The subversion of the Republican Party by religious zealots
will ultimately lead to its downfall, and what a pity that will be.
Where else will we find fiscal responsibility?

From Wikipedia and Thomas Jefferson regarding separation of church and
state:

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In the United States, the term is an offshoot of the phrase, "wall of
separation between church and state", as written in Thomas Jefferson's
letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. The original text
reads: "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely
between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his
faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach
actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence
that act of the whole American people which declared that their
legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a
wall of separation between Church and State." Jefferson reflected his
frequent speaking theme that the government is not to interfere with
religion.[7] The phrase was quoted by the United States Supreme Court
first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1947.[8] The
phrase "separation of church and state" itself does not appear in the
United States Constitution. The First Amendment states that "Congress
shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
===

Thanks for the free lesson on separation of church and state. That wasn't the issue addressed in the
OP however.

The question had to do with a bumper sticker and why atheists attack Christians but not Muslims,
especially as they worship the same God.


You be sure to let us know when a gang of atheists descends on your
neighborhood, knocks on doors, and drags christians out of their houses
to beat them and convert them. Don't forget to post the videos, too,
asshole.

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 19:33:39 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 14:42:33 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

Are y'all anti-all religions, or only Christianity? I recently saw a bumper sticker that said, "So
many Christians, So few lions." I suppose it takes no balls to attack Christians. I wonder why I've
never seen a bumper sticker saying, "So many Muslims, So few virgins."

In fact, I've seen very little of atheists taking action against Muslim activities. Are atheists
mostly just afraid of Muslims? Or, is the Muslim God OK with atheists?

Muslims, Christians, Jews. What is the difference?

The Jes don't seek converts. The Christians talk you into converting.
The Muslims hold a knife to your neck and make you convert.

Each religion has the core belief that they are the one that has the
one true god, they are the one that has the only path to salvation,
each one believes that anybody that doesn't believe what they believe
is lost, each one believes they re chose by god to have the only true
and correct message.

That has or that worships the true God, there is a difference.

Amazingly, with an attitude like that, they feel persecuted when other
people call them out for being such f-ing know-it-alls. Really, where
is the surprise, there?

Enjoy your time in the Mosque.

On 12/8/2012 8:09 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 07:48:39 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

Gotcha. Atheists attack only *dominant* religions. (Not to mention those that won't blow up their
car when the wrong bumper sticker is attached!)

===

Forget the atheists. I'm much more concerned about the people who
want to implement their particular version of sharia law, and
unfortunately that seems to include you.


So, now just wanting freedom of speech and a right to argue for that in
court like the other "organized" religions like Atheism, is comparable
to wanting Sharia law? Libs is so funny....

In article , says...

On 12/7/2012 4:44 PM, Meyer wrote:
On 12/7/2012 4:40 PM, ESAD wrote:
On 12/7/12 4:28 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 15:56:45 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/7/12 2:42 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
Are y'all anti-all religions, or only Christianity? I recently saw a
bumper sticker that said, "So
many Christians, So few lions." I suppose it takes no balls to
attack Christians. I wonder why I've
never seen a bumper sticker saying, "So many Muslims, So few virgins."

In fact, I've seen very little of atheists taking action against
Muslim activities. Are atheists
mostly just afraid of Muslims? Or, is the Muslim God OK with atheists?


Too cold for you to troll for stripers in the Bay, eh?

What most atheists are against is not religion, per se, but religion
that tries to force itself down the throat of non-believers, either
directly or indirectly, or religion that uses government or government
facilities to further...religion.

Oh...the "Muslim" god is the same being as the Christian god and the
Jewish god. Muslims are monotheistic. Muslims consider Abraham, Moses
and Jesus as prophets of the same god your church venerates. Oh, and
didn't you go to college? Apparently you are not aware that Muhammad is
not the god of Muslims, but simply their main man prophet.


Read the question, Krause. Are you implying that Muslims do not try to
force their beliefs upon
others? Apparently most atheists don't realize that both Christians
and Muslims believe in the same
God.

Have you paid your taxes yet? Is being a deadbeat good for your
serenity?



I assumed the bumper sticker that offended you was one you saw locally.

I haven't read of any significant cases in this country in which Muslims
have tried to force their religious beliefs on others, but there are
plenty of instances and cases in this country in which Christians have
forced their religious beliefs onto those who don't share those beliefs.
In the United States, it is christians who work at forcing their beliefs
onto the population.

I have seen more than a few devout Muslim women at Tysons' Corner
Shopping Center wearing the traditional head and face covering. I didn't
notice any of their spouses or brothers confronting non-Muslim women and
forcing them to cover up. I've talked to Muslims while in DC, while on
the Metro or in museums. None of them asked me if I'd "been saved." When
I was consulting at ULLICO, I used to talk almost every day to the
well-dressed Black Muslims hawking their newspapers and pies on the
corner across the street, and even got the building management to allow
them into the lobby and the restroom there.

On the other hand, I have frequently been "confronted" by christians
seeking converts, and annoyed by christians trying to pass laws to
restrict practices they claim are anathema to their religion. For those
christians, there are not enough lions.

You're a racist turd, herring. And you're easy.

John asked about Your tax delinquency and your propensity for being a
deadbeat. Have you nothing to say in your defense?


Rarely I read Harry Krauses bull**** stories... I had a Muslim friend
too, talked to him for years. One day I came right out and asked him
what he thought of Americans. He said they were all "infidels", and he
"hated them all".. I asked "even me", he reluctantly answered "yes". I
asked in a perfect world with no retaliation, if he would kill me, he
answered a determined, "yes".. I walked out and never went back to his
store, but the point is.. you can pretty much take anything Harry Krause
says above and write it off, he says anything that supports his own
selfish ideology... snerk

Bull****.

In article , says...

On 12/7/2012 6:46 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/7/2012 4:44 PM, Meyer wrote:
On 12/7/2012 4:40 PM, ESAD wrote:
On 12/7/12 4:28 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 15:56:45 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/7/12 2:42 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
Are y'all anti-all religions, or only Christianity? I recently saw a
bumper sticker that said, "So
many Christians, So few lions." I suppose it takes no balls to
attack Christians. I wonder why I've
never seen a bumper sticker saying, "So many Muslims, So few
virgins."

In fact, I've seen very little of atheists taking action against
Muslim activities. Are atheists
mostly just afraid of Muslims? Or, is the Muslim God OK with
atheists?


Too cold for you to troll for stripers in the Bay, eh?

What most atheists are against is not religion, per se, but religion
that tries to force itself down the throat of non-believers, either
directly or indirectly, or religion that uses government or government
facilities to further...religion.

Oh...the "Muslim" god is the same being as the Christian god and the
Jewish god. Muslims are monotheistic. Muslims consider Abraham, Moses
and Jesus as prophets of the same god your church venerates. Oh, and
didn't you go to college? Apparently you are not aware that
Muhammad is
not the god of Muslims, but simply their main man prophet.


Read the question, Krause. Are you implying that Muslims do not try to
force their beliefs upon
others? Apparently most atheists don't realize that both Christians
and Muslims believe in the same
God.

Have you paid your taxes yet? Is being a deadbeat good for your
serenity?



I assumed the bumper sticker that offended you was one you saw locally.

I haven't read of any significant cases in this country in which Muslims
have tried to force their religious beliefs on others, but there are
plenty of instances and cases in this country in which Christians have
forced their religious beliefs onto those who don't share those beliefs.
In the United States, it is christians who work at forcing their beliefs
onto the population.

I have seen more than a few devout Muslim women at Tysons' Corner
Shopping Center wearing the traditional head and face covering. I didn't
notice any of their spouses or brothers confronting non-Muslim women and
forcing them to cover up. I've talked to Muslims while in DC, while on
the Metro or in museums. None of them asked me if I'd "been saved." When
I was consulting at ULLICO, I used to talk almost every day to the
well-dressed Black Muslims hawking their newspapers and pies on the
corner across the street, and even got the building management to allow
them into the lobby and the restroom there.

On the other hand, I have frequently been "confronted" by christians
seeking converts, and annoyed by christians trying to pass laws to
restrict practices they claim are anathema to their religion. For those
christians, there are not enough lions.

You're a racist turd, herring. And you're easy.

John asked about Your tax delinquency and your propensity for being a
deadbeat. Have you nothing to say in your defense?


Rarely I read Harry Krauses bull**** stories... I had a Muslim friend
too, talked to him for years. One day I came right out and asked him
what he thought of Americans. He said they were all "infidels", and he
"hated them all".. I asked "even me", he reluctantly answered "yes". I
asked in a perfect world with no retaliation, if he would kill me, he
answered a determined, "yes".. I walked out and never went back to his
store, but the point is.. you can pretty much take anything Harry Krause
says above and write it off, he says anything that supports his own
selfish ideology... snerk

Oooops, that's not the point, the point is that Muslim Fanatics don't
want to Convert you, they want to kill you... That's why you don't see
them pushing their religion on you. Now live in a country that they rule
like Egypt or Iran and tell me what religion you are then

More insane bull****.

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 07:48:39 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

Gotcha. Atheists attack only *dominant* religions. (Not to mention those that won't blow up their
car when the wrong bumper sticker is attached!)

===

Forget the atheists. I'm much more concerned about the people who
want to implement their particular version of sharia law, and
unfortunately that seems to include you.

Bingo!