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On 12/8/2012 8:09 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 07:48:39 -0500, GuzzisRule
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Gotcha. Atheists attack only *dominant* religions. (Not to mention those that won't blow up their
car when the wrong bumper sticker is attached!)

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Forget the atheists. I'm much more concerned about the people who
want to implement their particular version of sharia law, and
unfortunately that seems to include you.


So, now just wanting freedom of speech and a right to argue for that in
court like the other "organized" religions like Atheism, is comparable
to wanting Sharia law? Libs is so funny....

That's the only thing Christians want? You do realize that Christianity
is just as harsh as any other religion when it comes to controlling the
masses don't you? After all, that's what religion is all about,
governing by fear.

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On 12/7/2012 4:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 14:42:33 -0500, GuzzisRule
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Are y'all anti-all religions, or only Christianity?

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I don't think this was directed at me but allow me to chip in my 2
cents worth. I'm not anti religious at all, not yours, nor anyone
else, but I am a *really* strong proponent of the separation of church
and state. The founders of this great country were all too familiar
with state sponsored religion and wanted no part of it here, and for
really good reasons. The first amendment did not happen by accident.

You think a Christmas tree is "State Sponsored Religion"?


WTF does a stupid Xmas tree have to do with Christianity, idiot?

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On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 19:29:07 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 18:51:04 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

You think a Christmas tree is "State Sponsored Religion"?

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Christmas trees are symbols, interesting symbols at that, and yes, we
have one.

Christmas trees of course have nothing to do with Christianity, at
least not originally. Christmas trees were originally part of a
northern european tradition of celebrating the winter solstice
(shortest day of the year). Those celebrations were widely associated
with various pagan religions, so in a way, the trees were religious
symbols of sorts even then. As Christianity spread northward from
Rome, missionaries of the faith recognized that people would not
readily give up all of their old traditions, so the celebration of
Christmas was melded in with trees, yule logs and other winter
solstice celebrations. At present Christmas trees are very much
associated with the celebration of Christmas however, and Christmas
(surprise, surprise) is very much a religious holiday, a religion that
not everyone participates in. Their argument (the non Christians),
is that the government should not be participating in religious
symbolism, and perhaps they have a good case. Are non Christians bad
people who should be ignored? Not necessarily. There are plenty of
people who are good citizens, and of high moral standards, who
believe in some other religion or no religion at all. Religion is a
very personal thing that depends in no small part on how you were
brought up. Government should not be involved in that kind of
personal choice.

I like it when you sound like Chuck Gould.

Regardless of all the paganism associated (by some) with the holiday, the tree is still called a
CHRISTmas tree.

Yesterday evening we went to a Christmas concert put on by the US Navy's 'Country Currents' and 'Sea
Chanters' ensembles. Got to see Daryl Duff in one of his last performances, as he is retiring soon.
(Daryl - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHjlndif1p0 )
(Country Current - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mwi...66A1&index= 1 )

They put on a great show. Daryl Duff's 'Oh Holy Night' received a well-deserved standing ovation.

But, I digress....on the way home folks in the car marveled at some of the houses beautifully
decorated with Christmas lights. I had the thought that the birth of Jesus (whether you believe the
religious aspects thereof or not) has sure provided jobs to a lot of Chinese making Christmas lights
guaranteed to last only one season - or less.

So everything in the world that has the word "christ" in it should be
revered as a religious icon, like Christmas Island National Park??

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On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 16:42:52 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 14:42:33 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

Are y'all anti-all religions, or only Christianity?

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I don't think this was directed at me but allow me to chip in my 2
cents worth. I'm not anti religious at all, not yours, nor anyone
else, but I am a *really* strong proponent of the separation of church
and state. The founders of this great country were all too familiar
with state sponsored religion and wanted no part of it here, and for
really good reasons. The first amendment did not happen by accident.

There is no place for Sharia law in this country, not the Papal
version, not the Islamic version, or any other version. It is my
personal opinion that any church which tries to influence legislation
or any other governmental process should have their tax exemption
revoked. The subversion of the Republican Party by religious zealots
will ultimately lead to its downfall, and what a pity that will be.
Where else will we find fiscal responsibility?

From Wikipedia and Thomas Jefferson regarding separation of church and
state:

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In the United States, the term is an offshoot of the phrase, "wall of
separation between church and state", as written in Thomas Jefferson's
letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. The original text
reads: "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely
between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his
faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach
actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence
that act of the whole American people which declared that their
legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a
wall of separation between Church and State." Jefferson reflected his
frequent speaking theme that the government is not to interfere with
religion.[7] The phrase was quoted by the United States Supreme Court
first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1947.[8] The
phrase "separation of church and state" itself does not appear in the
United States Constitution. The First Amendment states that "Congress
shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
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Thanks for the free lesson on separation of church and state. That wasn't the issue addressed in the
OP however.

The question had to do with a bumper sticker and why atheists attack Christians but not Muslims,
especially as they worship the same God.

The posit that atheists attach only Christians is ignorant.

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On 12/7/12 2:42 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
Are y'all anti-all religions, or only Christianity? I recently saw a bumper sticker that said, "So
many Christians, So few lions." I suppose it takes no balls to attack Christians. I wonder why I've
never seen a bumper sticker saying, "So many Muslims, So few virgins."

In fact, I've seen very little of atheists taking action against Muslim activities. Are atheists
mostly just afraid of Muslims? Or, is the Muslim God OK with atheists?


Too cold for you to troll for stripers in the Bay, eh?

Did the tax man take your boat for non-payment of your taxes?

What most atheists are against is not religion, per se, but religion
that tries to force itself down the throat of non-believers, either
directly or indirectly, or religion that uses government or government
facilities to further...religion.

Christianity tries to convince you to convert with words.

Oh, really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence

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On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 14:42:33 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

Are y'all anti-all religions, or only Christianity? I recently saw a bumper sticker that said, "So
many Christians, So few lions." I suppose it takes no balls to attack Christians. I wonder why I've
never seen a bumper sticker saying, "So many Muslims, So few virgins."

In fact, I've seen very little of atheists taking action against Muslim activities. Are atheists
mostly just afraid of Muslims? Or, is the Muslim God OK with atheists?

Muslims, Christians, Jews. What is the difference?

Nothing, they are all organized to control people by fear. And many have
fallen for that bull****.

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On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 14:42:33 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

Are y'all anti-all religions, or only Christianity? I recently saw a bumper sticker that said, "So
many Christians, So few lions." I suppose it takes no balls to attack Christians. I wonder why I've
never seen a bumper sticker saying, "So many Muslims, So few virgins."

In fact, I've seen very little of atheists taking action against Muslim activities. Are atheists
mostly just afraid of Muslims? Or, is the Muslim God OK with atheists?

Muslims, Christians, Jews. What is the difference?

The Jes don't seek converts. The Christians talk you into converting.
The Muslims hold a knife to your neck and make you convert.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence

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On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 19:33:39 -0500, BAR wrote:

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On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 14:42:33 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

Are y'all anti-all religions, or only Christianity? I recently saw a bumper sticker that said, "So
many Christians, So few lions." I suppose it takes no balls to attack Christians. I wonder why I've
never seen a bumper sticker saying, "So many Muslims, So few virgins."

In fact, I've seen very little of atheists taking action against Muslim activities. Are atheists
mostly just afraid of Muslims? Or, is the Muslim God OK with atheists?

Muslims, Christians, Jews. What is the difference?

The Jes don't seek converts. The Christians talk you into converting.
The Muslims hold a knife to your neck and make you convert.

LMAO!

So true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence

On Dec 8, 10:11*am, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 12/7/12 2:42 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
Are y'all anti-all religions, or only Christianity? I recently saw a bumper sticker that said, "So
many Christians, So few lions." I suppose it takes no balls to attack Christians. I wonder why I've
never seen a bumper sticker saying, "So many Muslims, So few virgins."

In fact, I've seen very little of atheists taking action against Muslim activities. Are atheists
mostly just afraid of Muslims? Or, is the Muslim God OK with atheists?

Too cold for you to troll for stripers in the Bay, eh?

Did the tax man take your boat for non-payment of your taxes?

What most atheists are against is not religion, per se, but religion
that tries to force itself down the throat of non-believers, either
directly or indirectly, or religion that uses government or government
facilities to further...religion.

Christianity tries to convince you to convert with words.

Oh, really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence

From that link-

"Peace, compassion and forgiveness of wrongs done by others are key
elements of Christian teaching... "

Too bad people can't live by that...

On 12/8/12 11:32 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 8, 10:11 am, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 12/7/12 2:42 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
Are y'all anti-all religions, or only Christianity? I recently saw a bumper sticker that said, "So
many Christians, So few lions." I suppose it takes no balls to attack Christians. I wonder why I've
never seen a bumper sticker saying, "So many Muslims, So few virgins."

In fact, I've seen very little of atheists taking action against Muslim activities. Are atheists
mostly just afraid of Muslims? Or, is the Muslim God OK with atheists?

Too cold for you to troll for stripers in the Bay, eh?

Did the tax man take your boat for non-payment of your taxes?

What most atheists are against is not religion, per se, but religion
that tries to force itself down the throat of non-believers, either
directly or indirectly, or religion that uses government or government
facilities to further...religion.

Christianity tries to convince you to convert with words.

Oh, really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence

From that link-

"Peace, compassion and forgiveness of wrongs done by others are key
elements of Christian teaching... "

Too bad people can't live by that...



You don't have to look further than rec.boats to see that many of the
self-described christian posters here are unaware of or just plain
ignore those tenets, or think they don't apply to them. I don't include
you in that group of ignorants, tim.