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On 3/14/2013 8:50 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:14:59 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

please tell us how this Pope, or his immediate
predecessors have adversely affected your life or interfered with your
beliefs.

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The Roman Catholic church, led by the pope, has been a regressive
force against every attempt a population control. A major portion of
the world's problems are the result of over population and it's just
going to get worse until a majority of people recognize the issue.


Yeah, that Catholicism in China and India for instance... Still, the
question is unanswered... I think the Muslin/Jew issues are causing just
a bit more trouble than the Catholics not adhering to the Churches anti
birth control desires...

Wait!!!! In another thread you stated that the church isn't denying
anybody birth control!!!!!!!

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On 3/14/2013 10:18 PM, Eisboch wrote:
For many, church teachings and
traditions are a buffet ... take what you like and leave the rest. I
see nothing wrong with that.




...except it's dismissive bull****. They don't "take what you like"...
You make decisions to follow teachings or not based on your own
experience and your willingness to sin for the mortal life. Sometimes
you decide to let the Lord judge you, not folks here who would "gage"
how much of a Christian somebody is.. as that alone shows a lack of
understanding and tolerance too...

I wonder how your "Lord" would judge you saying vulgar, nasty things
about poster's wives, and children? How would your "Lord" judge your
extreme classless vulgar racism?

On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 07:51:39 -0400, BAR wrote:

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The Roman Catholic church, led by the pope, has been a regressive
force against every attempt a population control. A major portion of
the world's problems are the result of over population and it's just
going to get worse until a majority of people recognize the issue.

One of the primary teachings of the Roman Catholic Church and most other
christian churches is the sanctity of life.

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No reasonable person would argue against the sanctity of life. The
problem arises because your particular church, and some others,
believe that life begins at conception even though there is not a
shred of scientific evidence to support that notion. That's what
makes it a religious belief: It is based on faith. You are
entitled to your religious beliefs of course, and I support that
right. However, when you start advocating and lobbying for laws that
support your beliefs, you are trampling on the rights and beliefs of
others.

No woman should be forced to bring an unwanted child into the world
just to comply with someone else's religious beliefs.

On 3/15/2013 9:54 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 07:51:39 -0400, BAR wrote:

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The Roman Catholic church, led by the pope, has been a regressive
force against every attempt a population control. A major portion of
the world's problems are the result of over population and it's just
going to get worse until a majority of people recognize the issue.

One of the primary teachings of the Roman Catholic Church and most other
christian churches is the sanctity of life.

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No reasonable person would argue against the sanctity of life. The
problem arises because your particular church, and some others,
believe that life begins at conception even though there is not a
shred of scientific evidence to support that notion. That's what
makes it a religious belief: It is based on faith. You are
entitled to your religious beliefs of course, and I support that
right. However, when you start advocating and lobbying for laws that
support your beliefs, you are trampling on the rights and beliefs of
others.

No woman should be forced to bring an unwanted child into the world
just to comply with someone else's religious beliefs.


Kinda' like Row vs Wade forcing me to pay for someone else s abortions?

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:50:39 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:14:59 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

please tell us how this Pope, or his immediate
predecessors have adversely affected your life or interfered with your
beliefs.

========

The Roman Catholic church, led by the pope, has been a regressive
force against every attempt a population control. A major portion of
the world's problems are the result of over population and it's just
going to get worse until a majority of people recognize the issue.

Yup. But the Church hasn't had a good leg to stand on in some of the countries with the biggest
population problems, and it's teachings regarding birth control are mostly ignored in this country,
in my opinion.


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On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:55:57 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

Kinda' like Row vs Wade forcing me to pay for someone else s abortions?

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That's nonsense.

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:18:30 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Wayne B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:14:59 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

please tell us how this Pope, or his immediate
predecessors have adversely affected your life or interfered with
your
beliefs.

========

The Roman Catholic church, led by the pope, has been a regressive
force against every attempt a population control. A major portion of
the world's problems are the result of over population and it's just
going to get worse until a majority of people recognize the issue.

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Maybe that's true in third world countries but I don't think the
Catholic church's traditional views on contraception or abortion have
much affect on people in the USA and other "modern" societies, even
among those who are Catholic. For the record, I am not but I know
many who are and virtually all of them practiced contraception methods
that are "forbidden" by the church. For many, church teachings and
traditions are a buffet ... take what you like and leave the rest. I
see nothing wrong with that.



I wouldn't go along with the buffet concept, except that birth control might be on a little table in
the corner.


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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 23:02:20 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:18:30 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Wayne B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:14:59 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

please tell us how this Pope, or his immediate
predecessors have adversely affected your life or interfered with
your
beliefs.

========

The Roman Catholic church, led by the pope, has been a regressive
force against every attempt a population control. A major portion of
the world's problems are the result of over population and it's just
going to get worse until a majority of people recognize the issue.

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Maybe that's true in third world countries but I don't think the
Catholic church's traditional views on contraception or abortion have
much affect on people in the USA and other "modern" societies, even
among those who are Catholic. For the record, I am not but I know
many who are and virtually all of them practiced contraception methods
that are "forbidden" by the church. For many, church teachings and
traditions are a buffet ... take what you like and leave the rest. I
see nothing wrong with that.

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That's all fine as far as it goes but the church has also been a
strong avocate for opposing legislation.


If the legislation promoted the killing of babies, then the Church did as it should. The Church will
oppose some legislation and promote the other.


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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 23:52:13 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:22:25 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:20:11 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 15:29:12 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

I do agree they had to take a South American guy. They are the only
Catholics who are consistently drinking the Kool Ade.

The ones who've crossed the southern border into this country are quite prolific, in case you'd not
heard.

That is part of the Kool Ade. At a time when most Catholics are
rejecting the Pope's condemnation of birth control the Latinos are
still cranking out the babies with unprotected sex.

I don't think use of the word 'most' is correct. Most in this country, yes. But I don't think that's
the case for Mexico and other Latin American countries.

And, the condemnation of birth control, other than the 'rythm' method, has been around for a long,
long time.

I understand that but the Irish and even the Italians are rejecting it

If you are saying they reject the condemnation of birth control, then more power to them.


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On 3/15/2013 10:25 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:55:57 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

Kinda' like Row vs Wade forcing me to pay for someone else s abortions?

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That's nonsense.


What's nonsense is that I pay for abortions because someone lobbied
congress and passed a law you like, but if another group tries to lobby
for a law you don't like, you get upset and act like they don't have the
choice to lobby congress...