In article ,
says...

On 3/15/2013 9:54 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 07:51:39 -0400, BAR wrote:

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The Roman Catholic church, led by the pope, has been a regressive
force against every attempt a population control. A major portion of
the world's problems are the result of over population and it's just
going to get worse until a majority of people recognize the issue.

One of the primary teachings of the Roman Catholic Church and most other
christian churches is the sanctity of life.

====

No reasonable person would argue against the sanctity of life. The
problem arises because your particular church, and some others,
believe that life begins at conception even though there is not a
shred of scientific evidence to support that notion. That's what
makes it a religious belief: It is based on faith. You are
entitled to your religious beliefs of course, and I support that
right. However, when you start advocating and lobbying for laws that
support your beliefs, you are trampling on the rights and beliefs of
others.

No woman should be forced to bring an unwanted child into the world
just to comply with someone else's religious beliefs.


Kinda' like Row vs Wade forcing me to pay for someone else s abortions?

How so?

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:55:57 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

Kinda' like Row vs Wade forcing me to pay for someone else s abortions?

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That's nonsense.

Of course it is, it's Scotty!!

In article ,
says...

On 3/15/2013 10:25 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:55:57 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

Kinda' like Row vs Wade forcing me to pay for someone else s abortions?

===

That's nonsense.


What's nonsense is that I pay for abortions because someone lobbied
congress and passed a law you like, but if another group tries to lobby
for a law you don't like, you get upset and act like they don't have the
choice to lobby congress...

How so?

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says...

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 23:02:20 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:18:30 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Wayne B" wrote in message
. ..

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:14:59 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

please tell us how this Pope, or his immediate
predecessors have adversely affected your life or interfered with
your
beliefs.

========

The Roman Catholic church, led by the pope, has been a regressive
force against every attempt a population control. A major portion of
the world's problems are the result of over population and it's just
going to get worse until a majority of people recognize the issue.

---------------------------------------

Maybe that's true in third world countries but I don't think the
Catholic church's traditional views on contraception or abortion have
much affect on people in the USA and other "modern" societies, even
among those who are Catholic. For the record, I am not but I know
many who are and virtually all of them practiced contraception methods
that are "forbidden" by the church. For many, church teachings and
traditions are a buffet ... take what you like and leave the rest. I
see nothing wrong with that.

====

That's all fine as far as it goes but the church has also been a
strong avocate for opposing legislation.


If the legislation promoted the killing of babies, then the Church did as it should. The Church will
oppose some legislation and promote the other.


Salmonbait

But you are okay with wars, the death sentence, gun violence, hatred and
bigotry.... odd.

On 3/15/13 9:55 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 3/15/2013 9:54 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 07:51:39 -0400, BAR wrote:

========

The Roman Catholic church, led by the pope, has been a regressive
force against every attempt a population control. A major portion of
the world's problems are the result of over population and it's just
going to get worse until a majority of people recognize the issue.

One of the primary teachings of the Roman Catholic Church and most other
christian churches is the sanctity of life.

====

No reasonable person would argue against the sanctity of life. The
problem arises because your particular church, and some others,
believe that life begins at conception even though there is not a
shred of scientific evidence to support that notion. That's what
makes it a religious belief: It is based on faith. You are
entitled to your religious beliefs of course, and I support that
right. However, when you start advocating and lobbying for laws that
support your beliefs, you are trampling on the rights and beliefs of
others.

No woman should be forced to bring an unwanted child into the world
just to comply with someone else's religious beliefs.


Kinda' like Row vs Wade forcing me to pay for someone else s abortions?


Look, everyone knows you are not very well educated or sophisticated,
nor do you bother to research before you post, but...

The Roe v. Wade decision has nothing to do with you being forced to "pay
for someone else's abortions."

On 3/15/13 10:45 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:55:57 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

Kinda' like Row vs Wade forcing me to pay for someone else s abortions?

===

That's nonsense.

Of course it is, it's Scotty!!


Who, in his 50's, is married, presumably loyal, and still wears condoms
because...

On 3/15/2013 10:55 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/15/13 9:55 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 3/15/2013 9:54 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 07:51:39 -0400, BAR wrote:

========

The Roman Catholic church, led by the pope, has been a regressive
force against every attempt a population control. A major portion of
the world's problems are the result of over population and it's just
going to get worse until a majority of people recognize the issue.

One of the primary teachings of the Roman Catholic Church and most
other
christian churches is the sanctity of life.

====

No reasonable person would argue against the sanctity of life. The
problem arises because your particular church, and some others,
believe that life begins at conception even though there is not a
shred of scientific evidence to support that notion. That's what
makes it a religious belief: It is based on faith. You are
entitled to your religious beliefs of course, and I support that
right. However, when you start advocating and lobbying for laws that
support your beliefs, you are trampling on the rights and beliefs of
others.

No woman should be forced to bring an unwanted child into the world
just to comply with someone else's religious beliefs.


Kinda' like Row vs Wade forcing me to pay for someone else s abortions?


Look, everyone knows you are not very well educated or sophisticated,
nor do you bother to research before you post, but...

The Roe v. Wade decision has nothing to do with you being forced to "pay
for someone else's abortions."



You are as dense (dishonest) as kevin...

On 3/15/13 11:00 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 3/15/2013 10:55 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/15/13 9:55 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 3/15/2013 9:54 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 07:51:39 -0400, BAR wrote:

========

The Roman Catholic church, led by the pope, has been a regressive
force against every attempt a population control. A major
portion of
the world's problems are the result of over population and it's just
going to get worse until a majority of people recognize the issue.

One of the primary teachings of the Roman Catholic Church and most
other
christian churches is the sanctity of life.

====

No reasonable person would argue against the sanctity of life. The
problem arises because your particular church, and some others,
believe that life begins at conception even though there is not a
shred of scientific evidence to support that notion. That's what
makes it a religious belief: It is based on faith. You are
entitled to your religious beliefs of course, and I support that
right. However, when you start advocating and lobbying for laws that
support your beliefs, you are trampling on the rights and beliefs of
others.

No woman should be forced to bring an unwanted child into the world
just to comply with someone else's religious beliefs.


Kinda' like Row vs Wade forcing me to pay for someone else s abortions?


Look, everyone knows you are not very well educated or sophisticated,
nor do you bother to research before you post, but...

The Roe v. Wade decision has nothing to do with you being forced to "pay
for someone else's abortions."



You are as dense (dishonest) as kevin...


I've read Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton. There is nothing in those
decisions that forces you to pay for someone else's abortions. Your
claim that it is otherwise is just ignorant nonsense.

On 3/14/2013 11:02 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:18:30 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:14:59 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

please tell us how this Pope, or his immediate
predecessors have adversely affected your life or interfered with
your
beliefs.

========

The Roman Catholic church, led by the pope, has been a regressive
force against every attempt a population control. A major portion of
the world's problems are the result of over population and it's just
going to get worse until a majority of people recognize the issue.

---------------------------------------

Maybe that's true in third world countries but I don't think the
Catholic church's traditional views on contraception or abortion have
much affect on people in the USA and other "modern" societies, even
among those who are Catholic. For the record, I am not but I know
many who are and virtually all of them practiced contraception methods
that are "forbidden" by the church. For many, church teachings and
traditions are a buffet ... take what you like and leave the rest. I
see nothing wrong with that.

====

That's all fine as far as it goes but the church has also been a
strong avocate for opposing legislation.



Good for them. Birth control doesn't fall with the realm of things that
need to or should be legislated.

On 3/15/2013 11:25 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:55:57 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

No woman should be forced to bring an unwanted child into the world
just to comply with someone else's religious beliefs.


Kinda' like Row vs Wade forcing me to pay for someone else s abortions?

The $500 abortion is a lot cheaper than 18 years of welfare and a life
time of prison costs.


Can't argue with that... but it's not my issue here. My issue is why
it's ok for folks to lobby congress to get laws passed that force me to
pay for abortions, but I can not lobby congress to change that law?