In article ,
says...

On 3/29/2013 9:01 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 3/29/2013 8:04 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/29/13 6:43 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
... you know guys, if you stop looking to Anderson Cooper and Racheal
Maddcow for your news, you may even become an informed American
voter....

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...dhs-stocks-up/




Soooo, take a quick check and verify what I said earlier like Greg
usually does for me... I don't make this **** up, even if you don't like
the way I present it.


You ignorant little ****, do you even read what you post before you post
it and then claim "facts" not in play?

From your article:

Local law enforcement face ammo shortage as gun owners, DHS stock up

Published March 23, 2013

| FoxNews.com

Local law enforcement agencies across the country are facing an ammo
shortage, as gun owners concerned about new laws at the federal and
state level stock up on firearms and bullets.

At the same time, the Department of Homeland Security has said it
*wants* to buy more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the next
four or five years -- which could put further strain on the supply.

The shortage, coupled with an increase in prices, comes as many gun
owners head to the stores in anticipation of new gun control laws.
States like Colorado and New York have already approved such
legislation, while Democrats move toward bringing a bill to the Senate
floor. At the moment, the congressional bill does not include an
assault-weapons ban, but a ban is expected to be floated as an amendment.

Still, what one official described as "panic-buying" set in, as
lawmakers rallied to draft new legislation in the wake of a series of
tragic mass shootings last year, from Aurora, Colo., to Oak Creek, Wis.,
to Newtown, Conn.

------

The shortage is being cause by "panic buying" by gun nuts, not by mass
purchases of ammo by a federal agency.

There are dozens and dozens of calibers used in firearms and within
those categories of dozens of different varieties. DHS is only intending
to buy ammo in a couple of these categories, and has no use for ammo in
most of the calibers available.

Ammo *is* in short supply, an artificial situation caused by gun owners
and ammo manufactuers, the former because they are just plain stupid
sheeples and the latter because they see a way to make extra bucks.

Who is a stupid sheeple? Your buddy Herring, for one, who apparently
drives over to Wal-Mart every morning to see if he can buy five more
boxes of ammo.

If the DHS wants to buy a boatload of ammo over the next five years, it
will contract directly with the manufacturers, and the manufacturers who
get the contracts will ramp up production of the calibers the agency
wants. There is no shortage of ammo manufacturers willing to suck on the
government's teat for five years.






So you think it's stupid for citizens to stockpile ammo? How many cases
are you storing?

The whole thing is because I said DHS had 1.6b round on order including
hollow points (never said all hollow points), and posted an article that
supported what I said. Dick and harry loogie and don are just doing what
they do....

No, you said that the DHS was panic buying ammo, when in fact it's just
a regular buy for them, they buy ammo all of the time, dumb ass.

In article ,
says...

On 3/29/2013 10:46 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 3/29/2013 10:28 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 3/29/2013 9:01 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 3/29/2013 8:04 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/29/13 6:43 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
... you know guys, if you stop looking to Anderson Cooper and Racheal
Maddcow for your news, you may even become an informed American
voter....

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...dhs-stocks-up/






Soooo, take a quick check and verify what I said earlier like Greg
usually does for me... I don't make this **** up, even if you don't
like
the way I present it.


You ignorant little ****, do you even read what you post before you
post
it and then claim "facts" not in play?

From your article:

Local law enforcement face ammo shortage as gun owners, DHS stock up

Published March 23, 2013

| FoxNews.com

Local law enforcement agencies across the country are facing an ammo
shortage, as gun owners concerned about new laws at the federal and
state level stock up on firearms and bullets.

At the same time, the Department of Homeland Security has said it
*wants* to buy more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the next
four or five years -- which could put further strain on the supply.

The shortage, coupled with an increase in prices, comes as many gun
owners head to the stores in anticipation of new gun control laws.
States like Colorado and New York have already approved such
legislation, while Democrats move toward bringing a bill to the Senate
floor. At the moment, the congressional bill does not include an
assault-weapons ban, but a ban is expected to be floated as an
amendment.

Still, what one official described as "panic-buying" set in, as
lawmakers rallied to draft new legislation in the wake of a series of
tragic mass shootings last year, from Aurora, Colo., to Oak Creek,
Wis.,
to Newtown, Conn.

------

The shortage is being cause by "panic buying" by gun nuts, not by mass
purchases of ammo by a federal agency.

There are dozens and dozens of calibers used in firearms and within
those categories of dozens of different varieties. DHS is only
intending
to buy ammo in a couple of these categories, and has no use for ammo in
most of the calibers available.

Ammo *is* in short supply, an artificial situation caused by gun owners
and ammo manufactuers, the former because they are just plain stupid
sheeples and the latter because they see a way to make extra bucks.

Who is a stupid sheeple? Your buddy Herring, for one, who apparently
drives over to Wal-Mart every morning to see if he can buy five more
boxes of ammo.

If the DHS wants to buy a boatload of ammo over the next five years, it
will contract directly with the manufacturers, and the manufacturers
who
get the contracts will ramp up production of the calibers the agency
wants. There is no shortage of ammo manufacturers willing to suck on
the
government's teat for five years.






So you think it's stupid for citizens to stockpile ammo? How many cases
are you storing?

The whole thing is because I said DHS had 1.6b round on order including
hollow points (never said all hollow points), and posted an article that
supported what I said. Dick and harry loogie and don are just doing what
they do....

I wouldn't lump Eisboch together with those head cases.

Well, if he keep doing the "loogie" on my posts...

Yeah, damned anybody who actually posts truths and facts as opposed to
your insane bull**** and lies.

On 3/29/13 10:51 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 3/29/2013 10:46 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 3/29/2013 10:28 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 3/29/2013 9:01 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 3/29/2013 8:04 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/29/13 6:43 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
... you know guys, if you stop looking to Anderson Cooper and Racheal
Maddcow for your news, you may even become an informed American
voter....

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...dhs-stocks-up/







Soooo, take a quick check and verify what I said earlier like Greg
usually does for me... I don't make this **** up, even if you don't
like
the way I present it.


You ignorant little ****, do you even read what you post before you
post
it and then claim "facts" not in play?

From your article:

Local law enforcement face ammo shortage as gun owners, DHS stock up

Published March 23, 2013

| FoxNews.com

Local law enforcement agencies across the country are facing an ammo
shortage, as gun owners concerned about new laws at the federal and
state level stock up on firearms and bullets.

At the same time, the Department of Homeland Security has said it
*wants* to buy more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the next
four or five years -- which could put further strain on the supply.

The shortage, coupled with an increase in prices, comes as many gun
owners head to the stores in anticipation of new gun control laws.
States like Colorado and New York have already approved such
legislation, while Democrats move toward bringing a bill to the Senate
floor. At the moment, the congressional bill does not include an
assault-weapons ban, but a ban is expected to be floated as an
amendment.

Still, what one official described as "panic-buying" set in, as
lawmakers rallied to draft new legislation in the wake of a series of
tragic mass shootings last year, from Aurora, Colo., to Oak Creek,
Wis.,
to Newtown, Conn.

------

The shortage is being cause by "panic buying" by gun nuts, not by mass
purchases of ammo by a federal agency.

There are dozens and dozens of calibers used in firearms and within
those categories of dozens of different varieties. DHS is only
intending
to buy ammo in a couple of these categories, and has no use for
ammo in
most of the calibers available.

Ammo *is* in short supply, an artificial situation caused by gun
owners
and ammo manufactuers, the former because they are just plain stupid
sheeples and the latter because they see a way to make extra bucks.

Who is a stupid sheeple? Your buddy Herring, for one, who apparently
drives over to Wal-Mart every morning to see if he can buy five more
boxes of ammo.

If the DHS wants to buy a boatload of ammo over the next five
years, it
will contract directly with the manufacturers, and the manufacturers
who
get the contracts will ramp up production of the calibers the agency
wants. There is no shortage of ammo manufacturers willing to suck on
the
government's teat for five years.






So you think it's stupid for citizens to stockpile ammo? How many cases
are you storing?

The whole thing is because I said DHS had 1.6b round on order including
hollow points (never said all hollow points), and posted an article that
supported what I said. Dick and harry loogie and don are just doing what
they do....

I wouldn't lump Eisboch together with those head cases.

Well, if he keep doing the "loogie" on my posts...


Your posts are looney, not loogie.

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:23:39 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

The bulk of ammo used by private citizens are for hobby shooting at a
range or for hunting. A massive stockpile of ammo isn't needed those
activities or hobbies.

This shortage will pass once the hysteria being promoted by the
ultra-right media dies down.

=======

I agree that the hysteria will eventually pass but it's going to take
longer than we'd like. It's not just the right wing media that's a
problem however - the mainstream media is full of stories about "huge
ammunition caches of 1700 rounds" and that sort of thing. To a
serious target shooter 1700 rounds is about a two or three week
supply, maybe less, and they are probably buying in case lots. And
then we have "our president" going on mainstream media making
emotional appeals for more and more controls. It's not rocket
science or paranoia to deduce that he'd really like to ban privately
owned guns and ammo altogether.

On Friday, 29 March 2013 10:14:10 UTC-3, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/29/13 9:11 AM, True North wrote:

On Friday, 29 March 2013 09:41:16 UTC-3, Eisboch wrote:

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message



...







On 3/29/13 8:16 AM, Eisboch wrote:











"F.O.A.D." wrote in message



news







On 3/29/13 6:43 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:



... you know guys, if you stop looking to Anderson Cooper and



Racheal



Maddcow for your news, you may even become an informed American



voter....







http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...dhs-stocks-up/















Soooo, take a quick check and verify what I said earlier like Greg



usually does for me... I don't make this **** up, even if you don't



like



the way I present it.











You ignorant little ****, do you even read what you post before you



post



it and then claim "facts" not in play?







From your article:







Local law enforcement face ammo shortage as gun owners, DHS stock up







Published March 23, 2013







| FoxNews.com











Ammo *is* in short supply, an artificial situation caused by gun



owners



and ammo manufactuers, the former because they are just plain stupid



sheeples and the latter because they see a way to make extra bucks.







Who is a stupid sheeple? Your buddy Herring, for one, who apparently



drives over to Wal-Mart every morning to see if he can buy five more



boxes of ammo.







If the DHS wants to buy a boatload of ammo over the next five years,



it



will contract directly with the manufacturers, and the manufacturers



who



get the contracts will ramp up production of the calibers the agency



wants. There is no shortage of ammo manufacturers willing to suck on



the



government's teat for five years.











----------------------------------







Heh. I just scolded him for the same thing. I think he reads the



headlines only, not the article.











It is embarrassing that Scotty even claims to have graduated from a



high



school in Connecticut.







=======================







What really surprises me is the number of reasonably well educated



people (meaning they should be able to read and comprehend) who share



Scott's paranoia regarding guns and ammo shortages. Not all, but



some people I talk to or meet when I go to the range talk the same



talk and some are lawyers or other educated professionals. There are



a few obvious "preppers" here and there, but not many. Most of the



conversations center on types of firearms, experiences with them,



likes and dislikes, etc., but I am still surprised at the number of



people who think the government is plotting to take away their right



to own a gun.



We went through all that when a previous Liberal Gov't brought in long arm registration a number of years ago. We already had fairly restrictive handgun controls.

People pointed to Australia.. claimed that the gov't was going to first force us to register and then take our firearms.

I registered and I still have my 20 ga shotgun and my 22 cal semi-auto rifle with 6x scope.

Our current Conservative govt just abolished the firearm registry last year.

Handguns are still heavily restricted, of course.





Canadians and Canadian gun laws are far more rational than Americans and

American gun laws.


We do have our share of wackos... burying rifles and shotguns in the backyard so the gov't can't get them.
It all calmed down after most people realized the sky wasn't falling.
i was mostly concerned with what they were going to charge the gun owner for registering... at first it was $50. for 5 years and then dropped to 410 to encourage people to sign up. At the 5 year mark it was free to renew.. BUT.. I had to get the wife to sign my application saying she was ok with me having guns. That would probably sink half the righties in here.

In article ,
says...

On 3/29/2013 8:27 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
news
On 3/29/13 6:43 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
... you know guys, if you stop looking to Anderson Cooper and Racheal
Maddcow for your news, you may even become an informed American voter....

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...dhs-stocks-up/



Soooo, take a quick check and verify what I said earlier like Greg
usually does for me... I don't make this **** up, even if you don't like
the way I present it.


You ignorant little ****, do you even read what you post before you post
it and then claim "facts" not in play?

---------------------------------------------------------

Last week my favorite gun shop was totally sold out of .380 ammo and I
had used up almost all I had at the range. They said they had more
coming in this past Wednesday, so yesterday I stopped in to check. They
had some, but all they could get was premium "law enforcement"
hollowpoints at $39 for a box of 50.

So much for DHS buying up all the ammo and "causing" the shortage.




Where exactly did I say "DHS buying up and *causing*..."?

Here is my post, see if you can follow it



Why do you think DHS is buying up all of the ammo, some 1.6 billion with
a B rounds as well as armored vehicles, drones, and other hardware until
now thought of as military gear, not "peace officer" gear?


Just so you don't "loogie" me... What I was complaining about was a
domestic org, buying military type ammo and armaments... I posted one
link of hundreds... You have gone off on some kind of tangent on
something I never said... But you and harry have admittedly had a blast,
keep forgetting why you said you were here... LOL!

"buying up all the ammo". Bull****.

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:32:16 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

I said DHS was buying 1.6 billion rounds

====

Probably true, but it's probably not a cause for alarm either. It is
highly improbable that they are doing it to dry up the supply or some
other nefarious goal. DHS takes in a lot of territory and a lot of
armed personnel - USCG, US Customs & Border Patrol, FBI, Secret
Service, BATF, TSA, etc. My guess would be several hundred thousand
armed employees. That many people can burn through a huge amount of
ammo in training and practice. I've been anchored a few times within
hearing distance of the NYPD range in the Bronx. Over the course of
a day it sounds like there is a major war going on, including
automatic weapons fire. That's from less than a couple of hundred
cops at any given time.

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:23:39 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

The bulk of ammo used by private citizens are for hobby shooting at a
range or for hunting. A massive stockpile of ammo isn't needed those
activities or hobbies.

This shortage will pass once the hysteria being promoted by the
ultra-right media dies down.

=======

I agree that the hysteria will eventually pass but it's going to take
longer than we'd like. It's not just the right wing media that's a
problem however - the mainstream media is full of stories about "huge
ammunition caches of 1700 rounds" and that sort of thing. To a
serious target shooter 1700 rounds is about a two or three week
supply, maybe less, and they are probably buying in case lots. And
then we have "our president" going on mainstream media making
emotional appeals for more and more controls. It's not rocket
science or paranoia to deduce that he'd really like to ban privately
owned guns and ammo altogether.

Yes, that's the thing with this allegation that Scotty is near and dear
to about a government agency buying a bunch of ammo. They buy a bunch of
ammo all of the time!!

On Friday, 29 March 2013 11:57:28 UTC-3, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...



On 3/29/2013 8:41 AM, Eisboch wrote:





"F.O.A.D." wrote in message

...



On 3/29/13 8:16 AM, Eisboch wrote:





"F.O.A.D." wrote in message

news



On 3/29/13 6:43 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

... you know guys, if you stop looking to Anderson Cooper and Racheal

Maddcow for your news, you may even become an informed American

voter....



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...dhs-stocks-up/









Soooo, take a quick check and verify what I said earlier like Greg

usually does for me... I don't make this **** up, even if you don't like

the way I present it.





You ignorant little ****, do you even read what you post before you post

it and then claim "facts" not in play?



From your article:



Local law enforcement face ammo shortage as gun owners, DHS stock up



Published March 23, 2013



| FoxNews.com





Ammo *is* in short supply, an artificial situation caused by gun owners

and ammo manufactuers, the former because they are just plain stupid

sheeples and the latter because they see a way to make extra bucks.



Who is a stupid sheeple? Your buddy Herring, for one, who apparently

drives over to Wal-Mart every morning to see if he can buy five more

boxes of ammo.



If the DHS wants to buy a boatload of ammo over the next five years, it

will contract directly with the manufacturers, and the manufacturers who

get the contracts will ramp up production of the calibers the agency

wants. There is no shortage of ammo manufacturers willing to suck on the

government's teat for five years.





----------------------------------



Heh. I just scolded him for the same thing. I think he reads the

headlines only, not the article.





It is embarrassing that Scotty even claims to have graduated from a high

school in Connecticut.



=======================



What really surprises me is the number of reasonably well educated

people (meaning they should be able to read and comprehend) who share

Scott's paranoia regarding guns and ammo shortages. Not all, but some

people I talk to or meet when I go to the range talk the same talk and

some are lawyers or other educated professionals. There are a few

obvious "preppers" here and there, but not many. Most of the

conversations center on types of firearms, experiences with them, likes

and dislikes, etc., but I am still surprised at the number of people

who think the government is plotting to take away their right to own a gun.













What surprises me is you and harry not reading what I said.. But do ego

on...



You may be too stupid to realize this but the agency buys ammo all of

the time.


Wouldn't surprise me if they are buying more because they're worried about all the little wackos stocking up.
A vicious circle.

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 08:16:33 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
news
On 3/29/13 6:43 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
... you know guys, if you stop looking to Anderson Cooper and
Racheal
Maddcow for your news, you may even become an informed American
voter....

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...dhs-stocks-up/


Soooo, take a quick check and verify what I said earlier like Greg
usually does for me... I don't make this **** up, even if you don't
like
the way I present it.


You ignorant little ****, do you even read what you post before you
post
it and then claim "facts" not in play?

From your article:

Local law enforcement face ammo shortage as gun owners, DHS stock up

Published March 23, 2013

| FoxNews.com

Local law enforcement agencies across the country are facing an ammo
shortage, as gun owners concerned about new laws at the federal and
state level stock up on firearms and bullets.

At the same time, the Department of Homeland Security has said it
*wants* to buy more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the next
four or five years -- which could put further strain on the supply.

The shortage, coupled with an increase in prices, comes as many gun
owners head to the stores in anticipation of new gun control laws.
States like Colorado and New York have already approved such
legislation, while Democrats move toward bringing a bill to the Senate
floor. At the moment, the congressional bill does not include an
assault-weapons ban, but a ban is expected to be floated as an
amendment.

Still, what one official described as "panic-buying" set in, as
lawmakers rallied to draft new legislation in the wake of a series of
tragic mass shootings last year, from Aurora, Colo., to Oak Creek,
Wis.,
to Newtown, Conn.

------

The shortage is being cause by "panic buying" by gun nuts, not by mass
purchases of ammo by a federal agency.

There are dozens and dozens of calibers used in firearms and within
those categories of dozens of different varieties. DHS is only
intending
to buy ammo in a couple of these categories, and has no use for ammo
in
most of the calibers available.

Ammo *is* in short supply, an artificial situation caused by gun
owners
and ammo manufactuers, the former because they are just plain stupid
sheeples and the latter because they see a way to make extra bucks.

Who is a stupid sheeple? Your buddy Herring, for one, who apparently
drives over to Wal-Mart every morning to see if he can buy five more
boxes of ammo.

If the DHS wants to buy a boatload of ammo over the next five years,
it
will contract directly with the manufacturers, and the manufacturers
who
get the contracts will ramp up production of the calibers the agency
wants. There is no shortage of ammo manufacturers willing to suck on
the
government's teat for five years.


----------------------------------

Heh. I just scolded him for the same thing. I think he reads the
headlines only, not the article.




I think he needs someone to read to him and that person gets bored and
stops after the headline.