On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 4/3/2013 2:24 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:47:13 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 1:42 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:06:25 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 1:06 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:34:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


have a home, plenty of food, a car or three, 3 TVs, cable, computer,
internet, air conditioning, washer dryer, bicycles, boats, clothes,
shoes, hand tools, fishing poles, cupboard full of dishes, VCRs, hobby
materials, electronic test equipment, electricity, stove,
storage shed/work shop, furniture, freezer, money for gas, wifi radio,
communication receiver, fax machine, cordless phone, health insurance,
HSA SEP, riding mower, push mower, electric gokart, portable radio,
books, binoculars, sewing machines, storage cabinets, table saw, jig
saw, band saw, greenhouse, irrigation system, water pump, water/sewer,
living close to local consumer services.


Please add to the list and tell me what good things are you missing.


Mikek



The phrase typically does not refer to those sorts of things.

Does it refer to safeties on handguns? You know, neither of my revolvers, one of which is the
"Highway Patrolman" has a safety. They must be 'bad' guns, huh?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


Have you figured out the difference between polymer and alloy yet? Or
whether you should winterize your outboard's innards with WD 40? Or
whether you should use two cycle oil in your four stroke outboard?

If I were in your shoes I'd be doing the same thing.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



I learned this trick from you:

Have you figured out the difference between polymer and alloy yet?
Absolutely! That was a rhetorical question for Tim.

Or whether you should winterize your outboard's innards with WD 40?
Absolutely! That was a comment made by a Dutch mechanic which I posted for comments. Got 'em too!

Or whether you should use two cycle oil in your four stroke outboard?
That was never an issue. One of our other readers questioned that, after misreading a post.

Now, see how easy that was? Perhaps you'd care to expound on just why you put the safety on after
loading a round on the range. Do you stand around and bull****?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb safety is unused, and therefore
useless.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.

On 4/3/13 5:39 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 4/3/2013 2:24 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:47:13 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 1:42 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:06:25 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 1:06 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:34:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


have a home, plenty of food, a car or three, 3 TVs, cable, computer,
internet, air conditioning, washer dryer, bicycles, boats, clothes,
shoes, hand tools, fishing poles, cupboard full of dishes, VCRs, hobby
materials, electronic test equipment, electricity, stove,
storage shed/work shop, furniture, freezer, money for gas, wifi radio,
communication receiver, fax machine, cordless phone, health insurance,
HSA SEP, riding mower, push mower, electric gokart, portable radio,
books, binoculars, sewing machines, storage cabinets, table saw, jig
saw, band saw, greenhouse, irrigation system, water pump, water/sewer,
living close to local consumer services.


Please add to the list and tell me what good things are you missing.


Mikek



The phrase typically does not refer to those sorts of things.

Does it refer to safeties on handguns? You know, neither of my revolvers, one of which is the
"Highway Patrolman" has a safety. They must be 'bad' guns, huh?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


Have you figured out the difference between polymer and alloy yet? Or
whether you should winterize your outboard's innards with WD 40? Or
whether you should use two cycle oil in your four stroke outboard?

If I were in your shoes I'd be doing the same thing.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



I learned this trick from you:

Have you figured out the difference between polymer and alloy yet?
Absolutely! That was a rhetorical question for Tim.

Or whether you should winterize your outboard's innards with WD 40?
Absolutely! That was a comment made by a Dutch mechanic which I posted for comments. Got 'em too!

Or whether you should use two cycle oil in your four stroke outboard?
That was never an issue. One of our other readers questioned that, after misreading a post.

Now, see how easy that was? Perhaps you'd care to expound on just why you put the safety on after
loading a round on the range. Do you stand around and bull****?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb safety is unused, and therefore
useless.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


No, John, it is not unused, nor am I in a corner. If you bothered to try
to understand what you read, you'd realize I offered up *one* way to use
the thumb safety on a pistol. There are others. But I told you I'd offer
one way. And that's all you got, and all you are getting, no matter how
many times you and your buddy FlaJim/Meyer/Hank fluff each other.

"J Herring" wrote in message
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On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank©
wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right
or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do
not have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used
much in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few
times I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty
and the thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is
safer that way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the
time it would take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be
a matter of a second or two.

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 17:48:46 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 5:39 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 4/3/2013 2:24 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:47:13 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 1:42 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:06:25 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 1:06 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:34:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


have a home, plenty of food, a car or three, 3 TVs, cable, computer,
internet, air conditioning, washer dryer, bicycles, boats, clothes,
shoes, hand tools, fishing poles, cupboard full of dishes, VCRs, hobby
materials, electronic test equipment, electricity, stove,
storage shed/work shop, furniture, freezer, money for gas, wifi radio,
communication receiver, fax machine, cordless phone, health insurance,
HSA SEP, riding mower, push mower, electric gokart, portable radio,
books, binoculars, sewing machines, storage cabinets, table saw, jig
saw, band saw, greenhouse, irrigation system, water pump, water/sewer,
living close to local consumer services.


Please add to the list and tell me what good things are you missing.


Mikek



The phrase typically does not refer to those sorts of things.

Does it refer to safeties on handguns? You know, neither of my revolvers, one of which is the
"Highway Patrolman" has a safety. They must be 'bad' guns, huh?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


Have you figured out the difference between polymer and alloy yet? Or
whether you should winterize your outboard's innards with WD 40? Or
whether you should use two cycle oil in your four stroke outboard?

If I were in your shoes I'd be doing the same thing.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



I learned this trick from you:

Have you figured out the difference between polymer and alloy yet?
Absolutely! That was a rhetorical question for Tim.

Or whether you should winterize your outboard's innards with WD 40?
Absolutely! That was a comment made by a Dutch mechanic which I posted for comments. Got 'em too!

Or whether you should use two cycle oil in your four stroke outboard?
That was never an issue. One of our other readers questioned that, after misreading a post.

Now, see how easy that was? Perhaps you'd care to expound on just why you put the safety on after
loading a round on the range. Do you stand around and bull****?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb safety is unused, and therefore
useless.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


No, John, it is not unused, nor am I in a corner. If you bothered to try
to understand what you read, you'd realize I offered up *one* way to use
the thumb safety on a pistol. There are others. But I told you I'd offer
one way. And that's all you got, and all you are getting, no matter how
many times you and your buddy FlaJim/Meyer/Hank fluff each other.

Go back and read your own essay, ESAD. You presented the way you use your safety.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.

On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not
have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much
in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times
I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the
thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that
way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would
take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a
second or two.




I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the
safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances.
When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet
racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt
carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the
firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the
weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's
not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:18:05 -0500, amdx wrote:

On 3/30/2013 4:01 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 11:17:23 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 09:34:37 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:16:21 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:45:59 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 12:49:00 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

What "facts"? The whole program is based on the ability of the
government to borrow more money and raise taxes more.
There is no "trust funds" they spent every dime of that money and it
is unclear how they will ever pay it back.

Feel free to dispute the facts. That don't make you right.

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/fundFAQ.html

That demonstrates that the federal government spent all of the surplus
and they promise to pay it back but they have not said how.

If you loan someone or some entity money, do you really care how they
made the money to pay you back as long as it's legitimate?
.

I would not willingly put money in a Ponzi scheme in the first place.

That's not even close to what I asked.

If you are asking whether I will cash my SS checks, yes I will but I
do wonder how they are actually getting the money. Unfortunately a lot
of it is simply created out of thin air and I know that is the road to
runaway inflation.

Most of the poor and the middle class will get more back from SS then
they paid in. Myself, should get it all back in about 7* years, the next
14 are on your kids back.

*does not factor in inflation.

Complete bull****. Stop listening to fox.

http://open.salon.com/blog/sickofstu..._you_t o_know

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:13:03 -0500, amdx wrote:

On 3/30/2013 8:34 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:16:21 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:45:59 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 12:49:00 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

What "facts"? The whole program is based on the ability of the
government to borrow more money and raise taxes more.
There is no "trust funds" they spent every dime of that money and it
is unclear how they will ever pay it back.

Feel free to dispute the facts. That don't make you right.

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/fundFAQ.html

That demonstrates that the federal government spent all of the surplus
and they promise to pay it back but they have not said how.

If you loan someone or some entity money, do you really care how they
made the money to pay you back as long as it's legitimate?
.

They (the US gov) is not paying it back. We 51% hardworking tax paying
Americans are paying the interest on the debt, at the same time we are
paying money and providing services to the 30% that can't take care of
themselves. That's not legitimate, everyone that votes should have skin
in the game. You should not be able to vote my money into your pocket.
Mikek


You ****head. Those who can't pay CAN'T PAY. The skin they have in the
game IS THEIR SKIN.

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:05:29 -0500, amdx wrote:

On 3/29/2013 7:15 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:16:10 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:16:21 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:45:59 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 12:49:00 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

What "facts"? The whole program is based on the ability of the
government to borrow more money and raise taxes more.
There is no "trust funds" they spent every dime of that money and it
is unclear how they will ever pay it back.

Feel free to dispute the facts. That don't make you right.

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/fundFAQ.html

That demonstrates that the federal government spent all of the surplus
and they promise to pay it back but they have not said how.

The don't have to "pay it back". It's a trust fund. Do you need me to
tell you to look it up?


How far do you have to go back to actually see the federal government
paying down a dime of the debt?
(hint: new cars had tail fins)

Which has nothing to do with anything.

Medicare is in worse shape, but not catastrophically so... and again,
it will be decades before it becomes so. A fix is indicated, but not
on the backs of middle and lower income.

There are not enough rich people to save these programs, who do you
think will have to pay?

You're just being deliberately dense. The worst thing we can right now
is make middle and lower income families pay more. When the economy
recovers, then the middle income families will be able to afford to
help a bit more.

If you took every dime from the Forbes 400, it would run SS for about
175 days.
The middle class is going to have to pay more, at least the Clinton
tax rates and maybe even the Reagan tax rates.

Which has nothing to do with anything. Feel free to hide under your
house if you're that afraid.


http://www.nasi.org/learn/medicare/financial-problems

$32 billion out of whack 3 years ago ... What I said.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3130421

Do you really think medical care will ever cost less?

Don't know. I do know that the rate of increase can be slowed. It
doesn't need to exceed inflation the way it does.

But you know, right?

I can look at the trends.

Feel free. The US has been solvent and paid it's debts since the
1700s.

Well fine, let's see us pay off the 17 trillion debt.
If our debt was called today, we would be insolvent.
The problem for our debtees, is we are to big to force us
into insolvency.
Mikek

You ****ing moron. Most of the "debt" is held by Americans.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...it-isnt-china/

Jesus you people are ignorant. Even fox gets it right.

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank©
wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right
or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding
that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do
not
have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used
much
in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with
a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few
times
I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and
the
thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer
that
way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it
would
take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of
a
second or two.




I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the
safety on. I've only done that a few times under special
circumstances.
When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet
racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt
carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the
firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the
weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster.
It's
not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.

------------------------------------------

Yup, your method is a very common one. I elect to also use the thumb
safety just for an extra measure. Makes me think about what I am
doing.
For example, the S&W BG 380 "Bodyguard" is made such that you cannot
rack the slide with the thumb safety on. So, to use it you must flip
the safety off, rack the slide and it's ready to fire. The Walther
on the other hand *can* be racked with the safety (or decocker) "on",
but you still have to flip the safety/decocker to "off" for the
trigger to fire the gun. It's really what you get used to doing.

I tried several belt holsters for both. I have a nice leather one
for the Walther but since I got the Bodyguard, it feels like a lead
weight.
I have two for the Bodyguard. One is a belt type, but the one I like
the best is a simple De Santis pocket holster. The Bodyguard is so
small and light it can be comfortably carried in your pants pocket or
an inside pocket of your jacket.

On 4/3/13 7:13 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank©
wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not
have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much
in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times
I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the
thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that
way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would
take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a
second or two.




I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the
safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances.
When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet
racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt
carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the
firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the
weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's
not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.

------------------------------------------

Yup, your method is a very common one. I elect to also use the thumb
safety just for an extra measure. Makes me think about what I am doing.
For example, the S&W BG 380 "Bodyguard" is made such that you cannot
rack the slide with the thumb safety on. So, to use it you must flip
the safety off, rack the slide and it's ready to fire. The Walther on
the other hand *can* be racked with the safety (or decocker) "on", but
you still have to flip the safety/decocker to "off" for the trigger to
fire the gun. It's really what you get used to doing.

I tried several belt holsters for both. I have a nice leather one for
the Walther but since I got the Bodyguard, it feels like a lead weight.
I have two for the Bodyguard. One is a belt type, but the one I like
the best is a simple De Santis pocket holster. The Bodyguard is so
small and light it can be comfortably carried in your pants pocket or an
inside pocket of your jacket.




I'm pretty sure I can't turn the thumb safety on on my CZ unless the
hammer is in the firing position but on my Ruger Mark III, I can flip
the safety on or off no matter what. I'll have to check that, though.