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Why we can't have good things
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote: "J Herring" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote: I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or wrong. He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb safety is unused, and therefore useless. ---------------------------------------- John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct? The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be. Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a second or two. I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances. When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75. Ah, the story changes. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. |
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Why we can't have good things
On 4/4/13 8:11 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:06:38 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "J Herring" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote: I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or wrong. He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb safety is unused, and therefore useless. ---------------------------------------- John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct? Not all my shooting is at a shooting range. I do have a permit for concealed carry. The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be. If I carried with a round in the chamber it would be because I was in a situation where I thought I needed to do so...say walking the streets of Chicago at 2 o'clock AM or strolling the back roads of Prince Georges County, MD, at the same time. If I had to draw the weapon, my finger would not be in the trigger guard until I was ready to pull the trigger. I would not use a holster with the flexibility to shoot the pistol, nor would I keep Sharpies, or other similar objects, in the holster. Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the thumb safety is "on". That's good. But, if there is no round in the chamber then there is really no need to have the safety on. A little extra precaution never hurt, however. People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a second or two. If I ever had to use the P250, it would, as you say, take only a second or two to rack the slide. My comments to Harry were based on his essay safeties and conditions. I won't regurgitate. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. All you do here is throw up. |
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Why we can't have good things
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:25:55 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 4/3/13 7:13 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote: "J Herring" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote: I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or wrong. He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb safety is unused, and therefore useless. ---------------------------------------- John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct? The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be. Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a second or two. I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances. When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75. ------------------------------------------ Yup, your method is a very common one. I elect to also use the thumb safety just for an extra measure. Makes me think about what I am doing. For example, the S&W BG 380 "Bodyguard" is made such that you cannot rack the slide with the thumb safety on. So, to use it you must flip the safety off, rack the slide and it's ready to fire. The Walther on the other hand *can* be racked with the safety (or decocker) "on", but you still have to flip the safety/decocker to "off" for the trigger to fire the gun. It's really what you get used to doing. I tried several belt holsters for both. I have a nice leather one for the Walther but since I got the Bodyguard, it feels like a lead weight. I have two for the Bodyguard. One is a belt type, but the one I like the best is a simple De Santis pocket holster. The Bodyguard is so small and light it can be comfortably carried in your pants pocket or an inside pocket of your jacket. I'm pretty sure I can't turn the thumb safety on on my CZ unless the hammer is in the firing position but on my Ruger Mark III, I can flip the safety on or off no matter what. I'll have to check that, though. You mean to say that after all your talk of safeties, you don't know how the safety on the CZ works? Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. |
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Why we can't have good things
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:48:29 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 4/3/13 7:45 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... I'm pretty sure I can't turn the thumb safety on on my CZ unless the hammer is in the firing position but on my Ruger Mark III, I can flip the safety on or off no matter what. I'll have to check that, though. -------------------------------------------------- Sounds like the CZ is a decocker only. Makes sense. When I took the safety course we used the instructor provided Glock 9mm and his Ruger Mark II .22LR. I like them both but sure enough, neither one (the newer Ruger Mark III or the Glock) are MA compliant. No, you cannot operate the trigger or the hammer when the thumb safety is on. It's good that you finally learned this. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. |
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#165
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On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote: "J Herring" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote: I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or wrong. He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb safety is unused, and therefore useless. ---------------------------------------- John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct? The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be. Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a second or two. I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances. When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75. Ah, the story changes. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I would give you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a remedial reading course. |
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Why we can't have good things
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:58:22 -0400, Hank© wrote:
On 4/3/2013 6:19 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote: "J Herring" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote: I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or wrong. He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb safety is unused, and therefore useless. ---------------------------------------- John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct? The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be. Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a second or two. I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances. When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75. Scary Bananas Krausie baby. One of the obvious reasons to holser a weapon is to protect the trigger guard from obstacles like fingers and such. That design is not conducive to drawing the weapon without a finger in the trigger guard. I prefer the trigger guard covered enough to keep my finger, or a Sharpie, off of the trigger when drawing the weapon. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. |
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#167
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Why we can't have good things
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:53:02 -0400, Hank© wrote:
On 4/3/2013 5:48 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 4/3/13 5:39 PM, J Herring wrote: On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote: On 4/3/2013 2:24 PM, J Herring wrote: On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:47:13 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/3/13 1:42 PM, J Herring wrote: On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:06:25 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/3/13 1:06 PM, J Herring wrote: On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:34:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: have a home, plenty of food, a car or three, 3 TVs, cable, computer, internet, air conditioning, washer dryer, bicycles, boats, clothes, shoes, hand tools, fishing poles, cupboard full of dishes, VCRs, hobby materials, electronic test equipment, electricity, stove, storage shed/work shop, furniture, freezer, money for gas, wifi radio, communication receiver, fax machine, cordless phone, health insurance, HSA SEP, riding mower, push mower, electric gokart, portable radio, books, binoculars, sewing machines, storage cabinets, table saw, jig saw, band saw, greenhouse, irrigation system, water pump, water/sewer, living close to local consumer services. Please add to the list and tell me what good things are you missing. Mikek The phrase typically does not refer to those sorts of things. Does it refer to safeties on handguns? You know, neither of my revolvers, one of which is the "Highway Patrolman" has a safety. They must be 'bad' guns, huh? Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. Have you figured out the difference between polymer and alloy yet? Or whether you should winterize your outboard's innards with WD 40? Or whether you should use two cycle oil in your four stroke outboard? If I were in your shoes I'd be doing the same thing. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. I learned this trick from you: Have you figured out the difference between polymer and alloy yet? Absolutely! That was a rhetorical question for Tim. Or whether you should winterize your outboard's innards with WD 40? Absolutely! That was a comment made by a Dutch mechanic which I posted for comments. Got 'em too! Or whether you should use two cycle oil in your four stroke outboard? That was never an issue. One of our other readers questioned that, after misreading a post. Now, see how easy that was? Perhaps you'd care to expound on just why you put the safety on after loading a round on the range. Do you stand around and bull****? Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or wrong. He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb safety is unused, and therefore useless. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. No, John, it is not unused, nor am I in a corner. If you bothered to try to understand what you read, you'd realize I offered up *one* way to use the thumb safety on a pistol. There are others. But I told you I'd offer one way. And that's all you got, and all you are getting, no matter how many times you and your buddy FlaJim/Meyer/Hank fluff each other. That's enough. Now that we have you side stepping and qualifying your statements with here to fore unmentioned differences in weapons that might alter conditions and readiness. But the valid question that John asked of you remains unanswered. You are just a windbag and a poser Krause. Tap dancing. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. |
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Why we can't have good things
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 22:28:44 -0400, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:06:38 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: The few times I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty === Unless you are doing law enforcement work I think that's a good strategy. I'd argue that without a round in the chamber, you don't even need the safety. Ditto. And if I have a round *in* the chamber, it's there because I'm ready to shoot - and don't need the safety.`If I chamber a round and decide not to shoot, then the magazine is removed and the round ejected. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. |
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On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:15:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote: On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote: "J Herring" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote: I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or wrong. He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb safety is unused, and therefore useless. ---------------------------------------- John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct? The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be. Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a second or two. I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances. When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75. Ah, the story changes. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I would give you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a remedial reading course. Bull****. Go read your essay. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. |
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