In article ,
says...

On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:12:30 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

On 4/2/2013 10:47 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 08:13:37 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

On 4/1/2013 10:50 PM, wrote:
My kids may get most of my SS money when I die.

How does that work?

I am not spending it right now.


You are cashing the checks and putting the money away?

Yes. In real life, there is no check these days. It is a direct
transfer.

But you can give it back, and you should seeing how you think it's dirty
money.

On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 13:04:31 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:12:56 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 22:57:49 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 4/1/2013 10:52 PM, wrote:

Hush. Greg is doing a great job of making the asshole guy look like his handle. And, I've got to
admit I've learned some things from his side of the posts. Just don't read the Urine stuff, unless
you're really in to stupidity.

I am actually learning a lot myself. It takes a lot of homework when
you need to be able to cite every statement you make.

I think this may be the equivalent of getting a poli sci degree at
most schools and it is free. ;-)

I do thank Al for getting all of the government resources we now have
available online. Things that used to require going to a library and
thumbing through hundreds of Dewey cards is not a few clicks away.

I don't know why I feel obligated to do all of this but it may just be
that intellectual curiosity thing Harry talks about.

Tell you what - it doesn't bother me a bit. I'm learning all kinds of stuff for nothing, and I can
play golf all day while you do the research!

Keep up the good work.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.

On 4/2/13 1:04 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:12:56 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 22:57:49 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 4/1/2013 10:52 PM, wrote:

Hush. Greg is doing a great job of making the asshole guy look like his handle. And, I've got to
admit I've learned some things from his side of the posts. Just don't read the Urine stuff, unless
you're really in to stupidity.

I am actually learning a lot myself. It takes a lot of homework when
you need to be able to cite every statement you make.

I think this may be the equivalent of getting a poli sci degree at
most schools and it is free. ;-)

I do thank Al for getting all of the government resources we now have
available online. Things that used to require going to a library and
thumbing through hundreds of Dewey cards is not a few clicks away.

I don't know why I feel obligated to do all of this but it may just be
that intellectual curiosity thing Harry talks about.


Speaking of intellectual curiosity (I find how this particular topic has
diverged has made it incredibly tedious and boring to me, though I read
some of it), I googled one of my favorite people for the first time and
learned a lot about it. Neil deGrasse Tyson. I knew some things about
him, but, Holy Batman! He's a real student of the liberal arts, with a
Bachelor of Arts in physics from Harvard in 1980 and his graduate work
at the University of Texas at Austin, where he earned a Master of Arts
in astronomy in 1983. Physics and astronomy, two of the liberal arts.

On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 13:41:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/2/13 1:04 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:12:56 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 22:57:49 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 4/1/2013 10:52 PM, wrote:

Hush. Greg is doing a great job of making the asshole guy look like his handle. And, I've got to
admit I've learned some things from his side of the posts. Just don't read the Urine stuff, unless
you're really in to stupidity.

I am actually learning a lot myself. It takes a lot of homework when
you need to be able to cite every statement you make.

I think this may be the equivalent of getting a poli sci degree at
most schools and it is free. ;-)

I do thank Al for getting all of the government resources we now have
available online. Things that used to require going to a library and
thumbing through hundreds of Dewey cards is not a few clicks away.

I don't know why I feel obligated to do all of this but it may just be
that intellectual curiosity thing Harry talks about.


Speaking of intellectual curiosity (I find how this particular topic has
diverged has made it incredibly tedious and boring to me, though I read
some of it), I googled one of my favorite people for the first time and
learned a lot about it. Neil deGrasse Tyson. I knew some things about
him, but, Holy Batman! He's a real student of the liberal arts, with a
Bachelor of Arts in physics from Harvard in 1980 and his graduate work
at the University of Texas at Austin, where he earned a Master of Arts
in astronomy in 1983. Physics and astronomy, two of the liberal arts.

Finish addressing the issues brought up by your discussion of the manner in which you use
'safeties'.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 13:41:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/2/13 1:04 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:12:56 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 22:57:49 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 4/1/2013 10:52 PM, wrote:

Hush. Greg is doing a great job of making the asshole guy look like his handle. And, I've got to
admit I've learned some things from his side of the posts. Just don't read the Urine stuff, unless
you're really in to stupidity.

I am actually learning a lot myself. It takes a lot of homework when
you need to be able to cite every statement you make.

I think this may be the equivalent of getting a poli sci degree at
most schools and it is free. ;-)

I do thank Al for getting all of the government resources we now have
available online. Things that used to require going to a library and
thumbing through hundreds of Dewey cards is not a few clicks away.

I don't know why I feel obligated to do all of this but it may just be
that intellectual curiosity thing Harry talks about.


Speaking of intellectual curiosity (I find how this particular topic has
diverged has made it incredibly tedious and boring to me, though I read
some of it), I googled one of my favorite people for the first time and
learned a lot about it. Neil deGrasse Tyson. I knew some things about
him, but, Holy Batman! He's a real student of the liberal arts, with a
Bachelor of Arts in physics from Harvard in 1980 and his graduate work
at the University of Texas at Austin, where he earned a Master of Arts
in astronomy in 1983. Physics and astronomy, two of the liberal arts.

Finish addressing the issues brought up by your discussion of the manner in which you use
'safeties'.


Salmonbait

Finish your discussion about how polymers and alloys are the same.....

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 16:14:22 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 17:49:21 -0400, wrote:

Why should I, you are good for the money. You seem to enjoy paying for
my new boat.

Huh? You're the ****ing hypocrit. "Why should I?" for the good of your
grandkids asshole. You want everyone else to do the "right thing" but
not you.

My kids may get most of my SS money when I die.


You can kiss continuing SS benefits goodbye when you kick off, except
for your widow.
She may give that to your kids if she wants to. You'll be dead.
But any old person's SS benefit helps their kids, either by them
inheriting more when the old fart dies, or by not having to support them
when they're alive. That SS money benefits the entire family.
Of course some kids wouldn't or couldn't support their old folks.
Which makes SS even more indispensable.
SS isn't there for you, it's there for everybody.


snip

You can go to tax stats, look at the raw data and do the computations
based on the percentages but you will still end up with about the
same numbers.

Why would you do that? Actuaries and professional economists have
already done it, and prove your contentions about the effect of removing
the cap to be just wrong.
Total cap removal with increased benefits takes care of 95% of the
shortfall. SS benefit calculations are highly progressive, and even
with increased benefits for those paying on uncapped income the added
revenue reaches 95% of the shortfall.
Total cap removal and capping benefits where they are produces 120% of
shortfall. But that would be called "commie," so is out of the
question. Nobody wants to hear more endless crybabying from those who
are opposed to SS because - like you - they say they don't need it.
Total cap removal and some adjustment of benefits on the high end would
attain 100% of shortfall.
So is not a serious problem, except to the extent it's crybabied.
You'll provide some of that, I'm sure.
BTW, "unfunded mandate" figures are a real crock of **** when revenue
streams aren't considered.
People commonly have personal unfunded mandates of hundreds of thousands
of dollars in the form of mortgages. They also have revenue streams,
though not nearly as secure as the U.S. government's.
Talking about shortfalls in out years is legitimate.
I agree SS should be paygo - after the trust fund is paid back by other
gov taxes. Preferably mostly from the "wealthy," which is where most of
the "stolen" SS taxes went to according to wealth distribution
statistics.
If SS had always been paygo, other tax rates would have been higher
without the SS taxes going into the general revenue bucket.
As it is, with no increased SS tax revenue, trust fund exhausted in
2033, SS will still pay ~75% of current benefits until 2086 under paygo.
That's the 2011 75-year projection. It could have already changed.
Not the end of the world, and there are many solutions if necessary,
including squeezing the wealthy through means testing and higher taxes.
Removing the SS income the cap is just one example.
And that would be as close to a flat tax as you'll see. But since
benefits rates are highly progressive, it's not a regressive tax.
Personally, I think nothing should be done with SS until we are close to
exhausting the trust fund. Because any surplus revenue will just go
back into the general fund, repeating the same bad practice of SS
funding non-SS expenditures and keeping other taxes artificially low.
Time to get real with taxes.
In the end, the people will be well-served, and the crybabies will
crybaby. You can take that to the bank, if you can find the way to get
there through your tears.
Your chicken little attitude will be ignored by the powers that be, and
problems will be addressed sanely. It won't stop crybabies, which are
always part of the background noise.

On 4/2/2013 1:04 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:12:56 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 22:57:49 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 4/1/2013 10:52 PM, wrote:

Hush. Greg is doing a great job of making the asshole guy look like his handle. And, I've got to
admit I've learned some things from his side of the posts. Just don't read the Urine stuff, unless
you're really in to stupidity.

I am actually learning a lot myself. It takes a lot of homework when
you need to be able to cite every statement you make.

I think this may be the equivalent of getting a poli sci degree at
most schools and it is free. ;-)

I do thank Al for getting all of the government resources we now have
available online. Things that used to require going to a library and
thumbing through hundreds of Dewey cards is not a few clicks away.

I don't know why I feel obligated to do all of this but it may just be
that intellectual curiosity thing Harry talks about.


Yeah, I don't waste time citing as I am usually pretty sure of what I
say as you have noticed in the last few months. Most of the time you end
up citing for me as I don't read kevin's posts, only your side too...

On 4/2/13 6:13 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

Yeah, I don't waste time citing as I am usually pretty sure of what I
say as you have noticed in the last few months.

Most of us are pretty sure that what you say is based upon nothing more
than the voices you hear in your head.

On 4/2/2013 12:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:25:23 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 09:26:41 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

So you do whatever you're told, even if it's wrong.

If the government is pointing a gun at me, yes I do, don't you?

I'm sorry, just what government agent pointed a gun at you and forced
you into the program?

The IRS and I complied before thy pulled their gun but we all know, if
you don't they will come get you.

Ask Wesley Snipes.

Did they "point a gun" at him??

Snipes? Probably

The use of the gun is always implied if you don't comply voluntarily.

All laws are ultimately enforced at the point of a gun. That is why
cops all carry one.

Really? I've gotten speeding tickets, other traffic violations and once
when I was young disorderly conduct while on spring break in Ft.
Lauderdale. Not once was a gun pointed at me.

I had a black Md State cop point a gun at me on the beltway ... but I
did have Florida tags. It was a full felony stop (out of the car, lay
on the ground, have the car searched etc) He may have been holding a
grudge. I got a ticket for going 64 in a 55 on a "pace" and he never
claimed I was going any faster. The other cops that stopped to back
him up even laughed at him.

I did not see any humor in it.
I got it tossed in court because he did not show up.


I got drawn on once at a stop... I was moving a car for the dealership I
worked for, off the clock and was dressed in my leathers head to toe
(including my jacket... I had the temps from the dealership in the
back seat. The cop pulled me over cause I had no plates on. Forgetting
my attire, I got out of my car, and I reached in the back window, threw
the bag on the roof of the car, and reached in for the plates Uh, dumb
me.... but a few minutes later when he found out who I worked for, we
had a good laugh and went on our way...

On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 01:38:53 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 22:14:05 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 22:50:00 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 16:14:22 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 17:49:21 -0400, wrote:

Why should I, you are good for the money. You seem to enjoy paying for
my new boat.

Huh? You're the ****ing hypocrit. "Why should I?" for the good of your
grandkids asshole. You want everyone else to do the "right thing" but
not you.

My kids may get most of my SS money when I die.

How's that? The country will be completely bankrupt by then. You've
been talking about for a while now. Doom is in the air, and it's all
your fault.

Gold ammo and MREs


Mildly funny, but you're probably serious.



HI is not capped and raises $182 billion collection 2.9 percent of all
wages, tips.etc
If you uncapped OASDI (presently capped at $106k) you would raise an
extra $140 billion over the $637B we collected in 2010 on a 12.4% tax.
I am not going to use 11 or 12 because the 2% tax holiday skews the
numbers.
That seems like a lot of money but it would barely cover the shortfall
in SS/MC now. That deficit goes up every year.

"While the combined OASDI program continues to fail the long-range
test of close actuarial balance, it does satisfy the test for
short-range financial adequacy. The Trustees project that the combined
trust fund assets will exceed one year’s projected cost for more than
ten years, through 2027. "

That assumes the government can come up with the revenue to redeem
those bonds.
We are borrowing money to pay the interest.

When have we not "come up with the money" to honor our debts? Oh yeah,
ever.

If you are going to "fix" SS./MC you need more than simply uncapping
the top limit.

I thought you said MC is uncapped? So, you don't know ****.

MC (HI) is uncapped and still running a deficit but I hear people,
including you saying uncapping OASDI would fix it all.

MC as I've said and everyone else has said has different issues. Keep
repeating if you think it'll help you.

Uncapping SS in wages will certainly help. In any case, it's a long
term problem not a short term one. But in your little mind if the
issue exists it has to be fixed immediately.


It has been a couple years since I did it but the numbers are not
really that significant. We just do not have that many W2 people who
make more than the $113.7k that it is capped at now. (I think it was
$102k when I did it)
You can go to IRS.GOV and look at tax stats if you want to see for
yourself. They are in Excel format so you can download the files and
change the view

Feel free to give us your studied, indepth analysis. We know you're an
expert accountant among your other bull****.

I do know how to crunch numbers, it is actually pretty simple to do
this one. Maybe beyond your ability but not that hard.
Maybe when you get to high school you will learn a little elementary
algebra.


Maybe you should try harder to insult me ****head.. you're the ****ing
expert, but you can't even figure out that SS and MC are two
completely different things.

I know they are different brands of the same basic Ponzi but it does
give you a convenient way to see what happens when you remove the
OASDI cap. HI is not capped and OASDI is, taxing the same salary base.
If you interpolate the result of the OASDI rate to the HI rate you get
the delta.

No. You know how to fake being an intellectual, well-read, and a fair
minded person. What you are is a fraud, but I wouldn't call it a Ponzi
fraud.

You can go to tax stats, look at the raw data and do the computations
based on the percentages but you will still end up with about the
same numbers.


Uh huh. Sure. Bascially, you're pulling the numbers out your ass and
smearing it on your **** to make them look better.

So you don't even understand the simplest way to explain this.
You have told us about higher education, implying you have actually
graduated from high school, yet you can't follow math my 9 year old
grand daughter can do and you can't finish a sentence without a
childish profanity.
You have no math skills and horrid language skills.

I guess the world needs hamburger flippers too. Good luck

You can insult me all you want dickbrain. The point is that you're no
expert. You don't have the answers, and anyone who proposes simple
solutions that will have a great effect in the long term are no good,
because they don't solve the entire problem immediately.

**** you. Happy?