On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 17:00:46 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"True North" wrote in message
...

I hope there's something to limit ex-military from stockpiling
firearms.
Seems like every time there's a mass shooting by someone over 35,
turns out he's a vet.

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Where did you hear or read that? Simply not true.

Interesting discussion on "Morning Joe" this morning about violence
on TV, in movies and in video games. All the media focus is on the
NRA lobbying for gun manufacturers yet many of the vocal supporters
(usually Hollywood liberals) of more gun controls are the same ones
acting in, producing, marketing and profiting by some of the most
horrifically violent shows, movies and video games ever made, many
targeted at young viewers.

There's no causation between the two. Most obvious example is Japanese
society. They have plenty of and even more vid games that are violent
and abberant, but they have a much lower violent crime rate. It sounds
good, but it just isn't real. Canada also. There are lots of examples,
as Hollywood **** is everywhere.

On 4/4/13 5:47 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 17:00:46 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"True North" wrote in message
...

I hope there's something to limit ex-military from stockpiling
firearms.
Seems like every time there's a mass shooting by someone over 35,
turns out he's a vet.

------------------------------------------

Where did you hear or read that? Simply not true.

Interesting discussion on "Morning Joe" this morning about violence
on TV, in movies and in video games. All the media focus is on the
NRA lobbying for gun manufacturers yet many of the vocal supporters
(usually Hollywood liberals) of more gun controls are the same ones
acting in, producing, marketing and profiting by some of the most
horrifically violent shows, movies and video games ever made, many
targeted at young viewers.

There's no causation between the two. Most obvious example is Japanese
society. They have plenty of and even more vid games that are violent
and abberant, but they have a much lower violent crime rate. It sounds
good, but it just isn't real. Canada also. There are lots of examples,
as Hollywood **** is everywhere.



That's why I asked about it in an earlier response to Eisboch. I've
never seen a really good study on a direct connection.

On 4/4/2013 5:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/4/13 5:00 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"True North" wrote in message
...

I hope there's something to limit ex-military from stockpiling firearms.
Seems like every time there's a mass shooting by someone over 35, turns
out he's a vet.

------------------------------------------

Where did you hear or read that? Simply not true.

Interesting discussion on "Morning Joe" this morning about violence on
TV, in movies and in video games. All the media focus is on the NRA
lobbying for gun manufacturers yet many of the vocal supporters (usually
Hollywood liberals) of more gun controls are the same ones acting in,
producing, marketing and profiting by some of the most horrifically
violent shows, movies and video games ever made, many targeted at young
viewers.


Is there some quality, independent evidence that proves that violent
movies, TV shows, and video games *cause* acts of violence in the real
world. I know that from time to time such media is pointed out as the
cause, but where is the proof? The Connecticut shooter, I understand,
played violent media games, but he seemed to be suffering from mental
illnesses. Media doesn't cause mental illness.


You are a moron... Every 10 year old that has access to a tv knows how
to use a weapon, clear a room, knows swat tactics, knows plenty to pull
off a successful mass murder because they have been taught each and
every bit of it by hollywood and atari...

On 4/4/13 6:20 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/4/2013 5:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/4/13 5:00 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"True North" wrote in message
...

I hope there's something to limit ex-military from stockpiling firearms.
Seems like every time there's a mass shooting by someone over 35, turns
out he's a vet.

------------------------------------------

Where did you hear or read that? Simply not true.

Interesting discussion on "Morning Joe" this morning about violence on
TV, in movies and in video games. All the media focus is on the NRA
lobbying for gun manufacturers yet many of the vocal supporters (usually
Hollywood liberals) of more gun controls are the same ones acting in,
producing, marketing and profiting by some of the most horrifically
violent shows, movies and video games ever made, many targeted at young
viewers.


Is there some quality, independent evidence that proves that violent
movies, TV shows, and video games *cause* acts of violence in the real
world. I know that from time to time such media is pointed out as the
cause, but where is the proof? The Connecticut shooter, I understand,
played violent media games, but he seemed to be suffering from mental
illnesses. Media doesn't cause mental illness.


You are a moron... Every 10 year old that has access to a tv knows how
to use a weapon, clear a room, knows swat tactics, knows plenty to pull
off a successful mass murder because they have been taught each and
every bit of it by hollywood and atari...


Like your father here, John the Racist, you have no reading
comprehension skills.

The question was, "Is there some quality, independent evidence that
proves that violent movies, TV shows, and video games *cause* acts of
violence in the real world?"

Do you happen to know the meaning of the word, *cause* ?

On 4/4/2013 6:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/4/13 6:20 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/4/2013 5:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/4/13 5:00 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"True North" wrote in message
...

I hope there's something to limit ex-military from stockpiling
firearms.
Seems like every time there's a mass shooting by someone over 35, turns
out he's a vet.

------------------------------------------

Where did you hear or read that? Simply not true.

Interesting discussion on "Morning Joe" this morning about violence on
TV, in movies and in video games. All the media focus is on the NRA
lobbying for gun manufacturers yet many of the vocal supporters
(usually
Hollywood liberals) of more gun controls are the same ones acting in,
producing, marketing and profiting by some of the most horrifically
violent shows, movies and video games ever made, many targeted at
young
viewers.


Is there some quality, independent evidence that proves that violent
movies, TV shows, and video games *cause* acts of violence in the real
world. I know that from time to time such media is pointed out as the
cause, but where is the proof? The Connecticut shooter, I understand,
played violent media games, but he seemed to be suffering from mental
illnesses. Media doesn't cause mental illness.


You are a moron... Every 10 year old that has access to a tv knows how
to use a weapon, clear a room, knows swat tactics, knows plenty to pull
off a successful mass murder because they have been taught each and
every bit of it by hollywood and atari...


Like your father here, John the Racist, you have no reading
comprehension skills.


Your insults don't impress me... take it to someone who cares what you
think.

On 4/4/13 6:29 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/4/2013 6:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/4/13 6:20 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/4/2013 5:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/4/13 5:00 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"True North" wrote in message
...

I hope there's something to limit ex-military from stockpiling
firearms.
Seems like every time there's a mass shooting by someone over 35,
turns
out he's a vet.

------------------------------------------

Where did you hear or read that? Simply not true.

Interesting discussion on "Morning Joe" this morning about
violence on
TV, in movies and in video games. All the media focus is on the NRA
lobbying for gun manufacturers yet many of the vocal supporters
(usually
Hollywood liberals) of more gun controls are the same ones acting
in,
producing, marketing and profiting by some of the most horrifically
violent shows, movies and video games ever made, many targeted at
young
viewers.


Is there some quality, independent evidence that proves that violent
movies, TV shows, and video games *cause* acts of violence in the real
world. I know that from time to time such media is pointed out as the
cause, but where is the proof? The Connecticut shooter, I understand,
played violent media games, but he seemed to be suffering from mental
illnesses. Media doesn't cause mental illness.


You are a moron... Every 10 year old that has access to a tv knows how
to use a weapon, clear a room, knows swat tactics, knows plenty to pull
off a successful mass murder because they have been taught each and
every bit of it by hollywood and atari...


Like your father here, John the Racist, you have no reading
comprehension skills.


Your insults don't impress me... take it to someone who cares what you
think.


It's a fact. I posted a simple question and your inability to comprehend
what you read sent you off on a fallacious tangent. That's fallacious,
not fellatio.

On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 17:56:06 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 5:47 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 17:00:46 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"True North" wrote in message
...

I hope there's something to limit ex-military from stockpiling
firearms.
Seems like every time there's a mass shooting by someone over 35,
turns out he's a vet.

------------------------------------------

Where did you hear or read that? Simply not true.

Interesting discussion on "Morning Joe" this morning about violence
on TV, in movies and in video games. All the media focus is on the
NRA lobbying for gun manufacturers yet many of the vocal supporters
(usually Hollywood liberals) of more gun controls are the same ones
acting in, producing, marketing and profiting by some of the most
horrifically violent shows, movies and video games ever made, many
targeted at young viewers.

There's no causation between the two. Most obvious example is Japanese
society. They have plenty of and even more vid games that are violent
and abberant, but they have a much lower violent crime rate. It sounds
good, but it just isn't real. Canada also. There are lots of examples,
as Hollywood **** is everywhere.



That's why I asked about it in an earlier response to Eisboch. I've
never seen a really good study on a direct connection.

That's because there isn't one... except inside justhates head.

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 4/4/13 5:00 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"True North" wrote in message
...

I hope there's something to limit ex-military from stockpiling
firearms.
Seems like every time there's a mass shooting by someone over 35,
turns
out he's a vet.

------------------------------------------

Where did you hear or read that? Simply not true.

Interesting discussion on "Morning Joe" this morning about violence
on
TV, in movies and in video games. All the media focus is on the
NRA
lobbying for gun manufacturers yet many of the vocal supporters
(usually
Hollywood liberals) of more gun controls are the same ones acting
in,
producing, marketing and profiting by some of the most horrifically
violent shows, movies and video games ever made, many targeted at
young
viewers.


Is there some quality, independent evidence that proves that violent
movies, TV shows, and video games *cause* acts of violence in the real
world. I know that from time to time such media is pointed out as the
cause, but where is the proof? The Connecticut shooter, I understand,
played violent media games, but he seemed to be suffering from mental
illnesses. Media doesn't cause mental illness.

------------------------------------------------

Apparently there is, at least by doctors and mental health experts.

The discussion this morning was with Campbell Brown who wrote an
opinion piece on the subject for the Wall Street Journal. (a link to
the article is provided below that includes the reports by doctors and
mental health people).

But Harry, we don't need studies, surveys and polls to validate common
sense in rationally thinking people. The level of gory violence in
some PG-13 rated movies and certainly in some of the video games that
young people play have served to desensitize them to the sight and
sound of heads exploding, blood spurting, brains spattering and other
horrific (and very realistic) violent scenes. I've seen some of the
video games that young people play. I couldn't believe it. Things
have changed since "101 Dalmatians"

Brown makes an interesting point. In Europe, violence on TV is
regulated but sex and nudity is tolerated much more so than in the US.
In the US, the opposite is true with the FCC highly regulating
broadcast TV sex, nudity and vulgarity but has no standards on the
regulation of violence. The movie industry is self-regulating (ha
ha ha) with their "voluntary" ratings. Video game programmers and
manufacturers are free to do whatever they want.
Cable TV can pretty much do what they want also.

To disregard the media as having an affect on young people's minds
(or even old people's minds in some cases) because no acceptable
"study" has been done is burying your head in the sand, IMO.

Here's the link to the article:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...144082092.html

On 4/4/13 7:27 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 4/4/13 5:00 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"True North" wrote in message
...

I hope there's something to limit ex-military from stockpiling firearms.
Seems like every time there's a mass shooting by someone over 35, turns
out he's a vet.

------------------------------------------

Where did you hear or read that? Simply not true.

Interesting discussion on "Morning Joe" this morning about violence on
TV, in movies and in video games. All the media focus is on the NRA
lobbying for gun manufacturers yet many of the vocal supporters (usually
Hollywood liberals) of more gun controls are the same ones acting in,
producing, marketing and profiting by some of the most horrifically
violent shows, movies and video games ever made, many targeted at young
viewers.


Is there some quality, independent evidence that proves that violent
movies, TV shows, and video games *cause* acts of violence in the real
world. I know that from time to time such media is pointed out as the
cause, but where is the proof? The Connecticut shooter, I understand,
played violent media games, but he seemed to be suffering from mental
illnesses. Media doesn't cause mental illness.

------------------------------------------------

Apparently there is, at least by doctors and mental health experts.

The discussion this morning was with Campbell Brown who wrote an opinion
piece on the subject for the Wall Street Journal. (a link to the
article is provided below that includes the reports by doctors and
mental health people).

But Harry, we don't need studies, surveys and polls to validate common
sense in rationally thinking people. The level of gory violence in some
PG-13 rated movies and certainly in some of the video games that young
people play have served to desensitize them to the sight and sound of
heads exploding, blood spurting, brains spattering and other horrific
(and very realistic) violent scenes. I've seen some of the video games
that young people play. I couldn't believe it. Things have changed
since "101 Dalmatians"

Brown makes an interesting point. In Europe, violence on TV is
regulated but sex and nudity is tolerated much more so than in the US.
In the US, the opposite is true with the FCC highly regulating
broadcast TV sex, nudity and vulgarity but has no standards on the
regulation of violence. The movie industry is self-regulating (ha ha
ha) with their "voluntary" ratings. Video game programmers and
manufacturers are free to do whatever they want.
Cable TV can pretty much do what they want also.

To disregard the media as having an affect on young people's minds (or
even old people's minds in some cases) because no acceptable "study"
has been done is burying your head in the sand, IMO.

Here's the link to the article:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...144082092.html




I'll look for cites on some studies. But it seems that most of the mass
shootings are more closely connected to the mental health problems of
the shooters. That was true in the Giffords case, the Colorado theater
shootings, the Virginia Tech shootings, the recent Connecticut school
shootings.

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


The question was, "Is there some quality, independent evidence that
proves that violent movies, TV shows, and video games *cause* acts of
violence in the real world?"

Do you happen to know the meaning of the word, *cause* ?

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One of the problems I have with modern liberals is that everything has
to be proven true with studies (usually government funded) surveys or
polls.

What ever happened to common sense?