In article , says...

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 07:57:06 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 April 2013 11:46:32 UTC-3, John H wrote:

Put 'Huntley Meadows Park, Alexandria, VA' into Mapquest. Look just north - that's the golf course.
The park has all kinds of trees and water. But, the folks are not allowed to trap the beaver.
Stupid.

I guess my question would be... were the beavers in the area before the golf course was built??

I lived right across the river from there for 38 years and I never
heard about beavers anywhere near DC.
The first beaver I ever saw was in upstate New York.

We had them around Ft Belvior. Huntly Meadows Park had several. Mason Neck National Wildlife
Refuge had several and they even had an eagle population in the 70's.

In article , says...

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:23:20 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 08:34:59 -0400, BAR wrote:


And you wonder why I think it's a good idea to save the environment.....

Save it from what?

The animals of the earth have been using the enviornment for their benefit for millions and
millions of years.

I think it is ironic that the only habitat that seems to be available
for these animals is the golf course, perhaps the most unnatural plot
of land you can have.
Why don't these wild life lovers get up off their wallets and buy land
for wildlife preservation? If the golfers were not there, this would
just be part of the concrete jungle and the beavers would die.
I see these PETA and humane society weasels bitching about hunters but
hunters do far more to protect natural wildlife populations, preserve
habitat and actually set aside land than all the Volvo driving bark
eaters combined.

Maybe the armchair environmentalists should look at what we are doing
in Southwest Florida. The voters decided to create funds to buy up
habitat and put it in preservation., This wasn't a unilateral decision
by government or a "taking" of private property, it was a referendum
that created a dedicated taxing district for the purpose. Properties
are bought at market price, not stolen in eminent domain robberies.

Never heard of the Nature Conservancy? They do exactly this sort of
thing and have been doing it for a long time. Too ****ing bad there's
a beaver on your golf course. Too ****ing bad.

Equating PETA with the Humane Society is complete and total bull****,
nothing new from the likes of you.

http://www.thenation.com/article/wrong-kind-green#

http://netrightdaily.com/2011/04/how...nt-land-grabs/

The Nature Conservance is a corrupt organization.

PETA is the largest killer of cats and dogs in Virginia.

Neither of these organizations is worth of anyone's time, effort or money.

On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 00:59:56 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 16:14:42 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/16/13 3:35 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 12:13:12 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/16/13 11:55 AM, wrote:

The classic example of this is the big game hunting ranches in Texas.
They are the only ones who are preserving species that are rapidly
going extinct in the wild. It is a managed population. PETA says they
would rather have them extinct than have someone shoot one
occasionally.

I guess they never saw a lion take down a grazing animal. If so they
would never say hunting was cruel.


Is there something wrong with preserving habitat for the sake of
preserving habitat, without having the slaughter of animals as a motivator?

John is creating habitat hitting a little white ball, you deride that
too.
The problem is land costs money and the tree huggers always what to
"save" someone else's land. There is no Sierra Club or PETA game
preserve. That is why I am proud of SW Florida for actually voting to
buy conservation land. It is pretty rare.

Managed population is a euphemistic way of saying canned hunt.

OK. so?

Lions take down grazing animals to eat and survive, not for sport. I was
fairly neutral on "hunting" until a decade or so ago, when I saw a TV
video of a "brave hunter" shooting and killing some distance away a
sheep with fancy horns. What a brave man.

So what. There is still a breeding population.


Perhaps if "hunter sportsmen" had to down and slaughter their prey with
a hunting knife it might be hunting and sporting.

The real issue is what it takes to get people to preserve these
animals. It is pretty hard to go into sub Saharan Africa and convince
some of the poorest people on the planet that it is important to them
to preserve an animal that is competing with them for food.
Even if you can coerce the government to go along, that is far from
getting the cooperation of the people out in the bush. The government
in these countries can't even protect the people. How much will they
be able to do for a scimitar horned oryx?

Yet they do try hard to preserve what they have. Seriously, look it
up.

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 22:38:41 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:23:20 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 08:34:59 -0400, BAR wrote:


And you wonder why I think it's a good idea to save the environment.....

Save it from what?

The animals of the earth have been using the enviornment for their benefit for millions and
millions of years.

I think it is ironic that the only habitat that seems to be available
for these animals is the golf course, perhaps the most unnatural plot
of land you can have.
Why don't these wild life lovers get up off their wallets and buy land
for wildlife preservation? If the golfers were not there, this would
just be part of the concrete jungle and the beavers would die.
I see these PETA and humane society weasels bitching about hunters but
hunters do far more to protect natural wildlife populations, preserve
habitat and actually set aside land than all the Volvo driving bark
eaters combined.

Maybe the armchair environmentalists should look at what we are doing
in Southwest Florida. The voters decided to create funds to buy up
habitat and put it in preservation., This wasn't a unilateral decision
by government or a "taking" of private property, it was a referendum
that created a dedicated taxing district for the purpose. Properties
are bought at market price, not stolen in eminent domain robberies.

Never heard of the Nature Conservancy? They do exactly this sort of
thing and have been doing it for a long time. Too ****ing bad there's
a beaver on your golf course. Too ****ing bad.

Equating PETA with the Humane Society is complete and total bull****,
nothing new from the likes of you.

http://www.thenation.com/article/wrong-kind-green#

http://netrightdaily.com/2011/04/how...nt-land-grabs/

The Nature Conservance is a corrupt organization.

PETA is the largest killer of cats and dogs in Virginia.

Neither of these organizations is worth of anyone's time, effort or money.

I don't take the second link seriously, as that's a completely biased
source, but thanks for the first one. It's definitely eye opening.

My experience with the NC was from years ago, and I foolishly assumed
they were continuing on the right path.

In any case, they are not comparable to PETA, which has a completely
different agenda.

On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 00:41:54 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:13:44 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

Never heard of the Nature Conservancy? They do exactly this sort of
thing and have been doing it for a long time.

There are also Nature Conservancy lands that allow hunting.

See previous post to BAR.

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:30:28 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 4/16/2013 8:16 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 16:08:32 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 15, 11:51 am, jps wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 10:08:46 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-...acks-and-kills...

See what happens when you walk up to a beaver that hasn't been ID
tagged with the Conservation Department?

Ban beavers!

How shallow and dense of you.

Does this happen 30,000+ times each year in the US?

No. And neither do bomb blasts in Boston which have killed at least
three (probably more to follow ) and injured over a hundred, dropped
stock market points and raised a general fear in the nation.

Of course , no one has heard your satirical outcry about that.

Maybe you know something at no one else does. Were those bombs made,
set, and detonated by registered republicans?

Dont' know if they're registered or not, but I seriously doubt it was
a registered or unregistered dem.


Yeah, they have been doing all the shootings lately and the mass
killings at baby killing mills..

Yeah... no. You're just stupid.

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 22:38:39 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 07:57:06 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 April 2013 11:46:32 UTC-3, John H wrote:

Put 'Huntley Meadows Park, Alexandria, VA' into Mapquest. Look just north - that's the golf course.
The park has all kinds of trees and water. But, the folks are not allowed to trap the beaver.
Stupid.

I guess my question would be... were the beavers in the area before the golf course was built??

I lived right across the river from there for 38 years and I never
heard about beavers anywhere near DC.
The first beaver I ever saw was in upstate New York.

We had them around Ft Belvior. Huntly Meadows Park had several. Mason Neck National Wildlife
Refuge had several and they even had an eagle population in the 70's.

The eagles are back at Mason Neck. We saw one 'fishing' in the Pohick Bay when we were camping there
weekend before last. Beautiful sight, but the eagle didn't get the fish.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.

In article ,
says...

On 4/16/2013 3:35 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 12:13:12 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/16/13 11:55 AM, wrote:

The classic example of this is the big game hunting ranches in Texas.
They are the only ones who are preserving species that are rapidly
going extinct in the wild. It is a managed population. PETA says they
would rather have them extinct than have someone shoot one
occasionally.

I guess they never saw a lion take down a grazing animal. If so they
would never say hunting was cruel.


Is there something wrong with preserving habitat for the sake of
preserving habitat, without having the slaughter of animals as a motivator?

John is creating habitat hitting a little white ball, you deride that
too.
The problem is land costs money and the tree huggers always what to
"save" someone else's land. There is no Sierra Club or PETA game
preserve. That is why I am proud of SW Florida for actually voting to
buy conservation land. It is pretty rare.

Managed population is a euphemistic way of saying canned hunt.

OK. so?

Lions take down grazing animals to eat and survive, not for sport. I was
fairly neutral on "hunting" until a decade or so ago, when I saw a TV
video of a "brave hunter" shooting and killing some distance away a
sheep with fancy horns. What a brave man.

So what. There is still a breeding population.


If you have followed Harry's modus operandi over the years, then you
will have noticed that he seeks out those who seem to have a soft spot
somewhere in their psychological make up or back ground. He will
then chip away at that spot trying to force some sort of emotional
blow up. This is a form of bullying of course which Harry seems to
find amusing for some reason. It would be all too easy to compile a
list of some of his past victims that he has driven from this group.
Mr Hypocrite himself, drooling over with false concern for the down
trodden of the world, getting his jollies by trying to push people
over the edge. It's pretty sick behavior and typical for a sociopath.
When no one seems to be rising to the bait, Harry will invent a new
sock puppet or invite a few "friends" over from some other group. The
antidote for all this is to just cut him off and ignore the sock
puppets when they becme known.

Day 1 of the Scotty insanity cycle.

In article ,
says...

On 4/16/2013 8:16 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 16:08:32 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 15, 11:51 am, jps wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 10:08:46 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-...acks-and-kills...

See what happens when you walk up to a beaver that hasn't been ID
tagged with the Conservation Department?

Ban beavers!

How shallow and dense of you.

Does this happen 30,000+ times each year in the US?

No. And neither do bomb blasts in Boston which have killed at least
three (probably more to follow ) and injured over a hundred, dropped
stock market points and raised a general fear in the nation.

Of course , no one has heard your satirical outcry about that.

Maybe you know something at no one else does. Were those bombs made,
set, and detonated by registered republicans?

Dont' know if they're registered or not, but I seriously doubt it was
a registered or unregistered dem.


Yeah, they have been doing all the shootings lately and the mass
killings at baby killing mills..

Insanity!!!