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On 5/3/13 4:24 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 3 May 2013 14:34:21 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

The code says "to provide for a neutral conductor to complete the
circuit for electronic lighting controls". That is not necessary
if
you have an incandescent load. Maybe you are just to dumb to make
the
connection or you are just ****ing with me for some personal
reason
but I am done.

None of the above. Your notion that it's just for CFL's and LED's
is
bull**** and further, you know it is! As you say, it is "to
provide for
a neutral conductor..." It isn't "necessary" for a CFL any more
than it
is for an incandescent light! Period. And you can't show me
how/where it
is, because it isn't happening.


I have a half dozen 2 wire occupancy sensors working fine on
incandescents without a neutral. None work with a CFL or LED.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?


It's not hard for me to understand, and you are changing yet again.
YOU
said that the code was changed BECAUSE OF CFL's AND LED's. That is
not
true.


Perhaps because you are in
beyond your depth.


See above. It's you that's in above your head. I've asked and asked
to
show me where in the code, OR even in code comments it says that
they
went to three wire because of CFL's. You can't because it's not
true.

I suppose I could go to the manufacturer web site and see where
they
verify my result but why bother. You would quibble with their
language
too.


It would have NOTHING to do with code issues as you stated but now
somehow don't.




You two have split the hairs down to atom size. Isn't there something
more interesting you can argue about with Greg over the course of
5,000
posts?

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I have no idea who "iBoater" is, but I think he would argue what
shade of black the night sky is indefinitely.


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"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 3 May 2013 14:34:21 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...


The code says "to provide for a neutral conductor to complete the
circuit for electronic lighting controls". That is not necessary
if
you have an incandescent load. Maybe you are just to dumb to make
the
connection or you are just ****ing with me for some personal
reason
but I am done.


None of the above. Your notion that it's just for CFL's and LED's
is
bull**** and further, you know it is! As you say, it is "to provide
for
a neutral conductor..." It isn't "necessary" for a CFL any more
than it
is for an incandescent light! Period. And you can't show me
how/where it
is, because it isn't happening.


I have a half dozen 2 wire occupancy sensors working fine on
incandescents without a neutral. None work with a CFL or LED.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?


It's not hard for me to understand, and you are changing yet again.
YOU
said that the code was changed BECAUSE OF CFL's AND LED's. That is not
true.


Perhaps because you are in
beyond your depth.


See above. It's you that's in above your head. I've asked and asked to
show me where in the code, OR even in code comments it says that they
went to three wire because of CFL's. You can't because it's not true.

I suppose I could go to the manufacturer web site and see where they
verify my result but why bother. You would quibble with their
language
too.


It would have NOTHING to do with code issues as you stated but now
somehow don't.

------------------------------------------------

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On 5/3/2013 4:31 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/3/13 4:24 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 3 May 2013 14:34:21 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

The code says "to provide for a neutral conductor to complete the
circuit for electronic lighting controls". That is not necessary if
you have an incandescent load. Maybe you are just to dumb to make the
connection or you are just ****ing with me for some personal reason
but I am done.

None of the above. Your notion that it's just for CFL's and LED's is
bull**** and further, you know it is! As you say, it is "to provide for
a neutral conductor..." It isn't "necessary" for a CFL any more than it
is for an incandescent light! Period. And you can't show me
how/where it
is, because it isn't happening.

I have a half dozen 2 wire occupancy sensors working fine on
incandescents without a neutral. None work with a CFL or LED.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?


It's not hard for me to understand, and you are changing yet again. YOU
said that the code was changed BECAUSE OF CFL's AND LED's. That is not
true.


Perhaps because you are in
beyond your depth.


See above. It's you that's in above your head. I've asked and asked to
show me where in the code, OR even in code comments it says that they
went to three wire because of CFL's. You can't because it's not true.

I suppose I could go to the manufacturer web site and see where they
verify my result but why bother. You would quibble with their language
too.


It would have NOTHING to do with code issues as you stated but now
somehow don't.




You two have split the hairs down to atom size. Isn't there something
more interesting you can argue about with Greg over the course of 5,000
posts?

Why don't you just kill the thread? You don't know what they are
talking about anyway.
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On 5/3/2013 5:19 PM, John H wrote:
On Fri, 03 May 2013 16:31:58 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/3/13 4:24 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 3 May 2013 14:34:21 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

The code says "to provide for a neutral conductor to complete the
circuit for electronic lighting controls". That is not necessary if
you have an incandescent load. Maybe you are just to dumb to make the
connection or you are just ****ing with me for some personal reason
but I am done.

None of the above. Your notion that it's just for CFL's and LED's is
bull**** and further, you know it is! As you say, it is "to provide for
a neutral conductor..." It isn't "necessary" for a CFL any more than it
is for an incandescent light! Period. And you can't show me how/where it
is, because it isn't happening.

I have a half dozen 2 wire occupancy sensors working fine on
incandescents without a neutral. None work with a CFL or LED.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?

It's not hard for me to understand, and you are changing yet again. YOU
said that the code was changed BECAUSE OF CFL's AND LED's. That is not
true.


Perhaps because you are in
beyond your depth.

See above. It's you that's in above your head. I've asked and asked to
show me where in the code, OR even in code comments it says that they
went to three wire because of CFL's. You can't because it's not true.

I suppose I could go to the manufacturer web site and see where they
verify my result but why bother. You would quibble with their language
too.

It would have NOTHING to do with code issues as you stated but now
somehow don't.




You two have split the hairs down to atom size. Isn't there something
more interesting you can argue about with Greg over the course of 5,000
posts?


Maybe they could argue about how many basketball players are still in the closet.

I say 12.

John H.

I doubt they care. It's Harry's topic of interest. Let him sort it out
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In article ,
says...

On Fri, 3 May 2013 14:34:21 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...


The code says "to provide for a neutral conductor to complete the
circuit for electronic lighting controls". That is not necessary if
you have an incandescent load. Maybe you are just to dumb to make the
connection or you are just ****ing with me for some personal reason
but I am done.


None of the above. Your notion that it's just for CFL's and LED's is
bull**** and further, you know it is! As you say, it is "to provide for
a neutral conductor..." It isn't "necessary" for a CFL any more than it
is for an incandescent light! Period. And you can't show me how/where it
is, because it isn't happening.


I have a half dozen 2 wire occupancy sensors working fine on
incandescents without a neutral. None work with a CFL or LED.
Why is that so hard for you to understand? Perhaps because you are in
beyond your depth.
I suppose I could go to the manufacturer web site and see where they
verify my result but why bother. You would quibble with their language
too.


If you want to use occupancy sensors with CFL's on 2-wire, upgrade your
sensors to a Leviton or other that doesn't require a neutral.
So you've got a sensor issue, not a CFL/LED issue.
Sensor/dimmer manufacturers have already passed up the stupid NEC code
and solved the neutral issue with low power IC's and microcontrollers.
So if I wanted to I could light control with my 2-wire. Anybody can.
Or pull your own damn neutrals. You'll still need new modern sensors
for CFL/LED.
Apparently you prefer government intrusion of NEC code inspectors
requiring neutrals for every ****ing light switch in America to solve
your problem, even if they don't use sensors or dimmers on their
lighting. And even if that won't solve your antiquated sensor issue.
Or just use incandescents with your current gear. They're readily
available and not outlawed, as many dumb-asses seem to think.



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On 5/3/2013 5:43 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...

On 5/3/13 4:24 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 3 May 2013 14:34:21 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

The code says "to provide for a neutral conductor to complete the
circuit for electronic lighting controls". That is not necessary if
you have an incandescent load. Maybe you are just to dumb to make the
connection or you are just ****ing with me for some personal reason
but I am done.

None of the above. Your notion that it's just for CFL's and LED's is
bull**** and further, you know it is! As you say, it is "to provide for
a neutral conductor..." It isn't "necessary" for a CFL any more than it
is for an incandescent light! Period. And you can't show me
how/where it
is, because it isn't happening.

I have a half dozen 2 wire occupancy sensors working fine on
incandescents without a neutral. None work with a CFL or LED.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?


It's not hard for me to understand, and you are changing yet again. YOU
said that the code was changed BECAUSE OF CFL's AND LED's. That is not
true.


Perhaps because you are in
beyond your depth.


See above. It's you that's in above your head. I've asked and asked to
show me where in the code, OR even in code comments it says that they
went to three wire because of CFL's. You can't because it's not true.

I suppose I could go to the manufacturer web site and see where they
verify my result but why bother. You would quibble with their language
too.


It would have NOTHING to do with code issues as you stated but now
somehow don't.




You two have split the hairs down to atom size. Isn't there something
more interesting you can argue about with Greg over the course of 5,000
posts?

---------------------------------------------------------

I have no idea who "iBoater" is, but I think he would argue what shade
of black the night sky is indefinitely.



It's Kevin aka, basskisser, loogie picker, nom de plume....
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On 5/3/2013 5:45 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 3 May 2013 14:34:21 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...


The code says "to provide for a neutral conductor to complete the
circuit for electronic lighting controls". That is not necessary if
you have an incandescent load. Maybe you are just to dumb to make
the
connection or you are just ****ing with me for some personal reason
but I am done.

None of the above. Your notion that it's just for CFL's and LED's is
bull**** and further, you know it is! As you say, it is "to provide for
a neutral conductor..." It isn't "necessary" for a CFL any more than it
is for an incandescent light! Period. And you can't show me
how/where it
is, because it isn't happening.


I have a half dozen 2 wire occupancy sensors working fine on
incandescents without a neutral. None work with a CFL or LED.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?


It's not hard for me to understand, and you are changing yet again. YOU
said that the code was changed BECAUSE OF CFL's AND LED's. That is not
true.


Perhaps because you are in
beyond your depth.


See above. It's you that's in above your head. I've asked and asked to
show me where in the code, OR even in code comments it says that they
went to three wire because of CFL's. You can't because it's not true.

I suppose I could go to the manufacturer web site and see where they
verify my result but why bother. You would quibble with their language
too.


It would have NOTHING to do with code issues as you stated but now
somehow don't.

------------------------------------------------

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He won't. Might as well throw him in the brig with Slammer.
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On Fri, 3 May 2013 17:43:45 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...

On 5/3/13 4:24 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 3 May 2013 14:34:21 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

The code says "to provide for a neutral conductor to complete the
circuit for electronic lighting controls". That is not necessary
if
you have an incandescent load. Maybe you are just to dumb to make
the
connection or you are just ****ing with me for some personal
reason
but I am done.

None of the above. Your notion that it's just for CFL's and LED's
is
bull**** and further, you know it is! As you say, it is "to
provide for
a neutral conductor..." It isn't "necessary" for a CFL any more
than it
is for an incandescent light! Period. And you can't show me
how/where it
is, because it isn't happening.

I have a half dozen 2 wire occupancy sensors working fine on
incandescents without a neutral. None work with a CFL or LED.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?


It's not hard for me to understand, and you are changing yet again.
YOU
said that the code was changed BECAUSE OF CFL's AND LED's. That is
not
true.


Perhaps because you are in
beyond your depth.


See above. It's you that's in above your head. I've asked and asked
to
show me where in the code, OR even in code comments it says that
they
went to three wire because of CFL's. You can't because it's not
true.

I suppose I could go to the manufacturer web site and see where
they
verify my result but why bother. You would quibble with their
language
too.


It would have NOTHING to do with code issues as you stated but now
somehow don't.




You two have split the hairs down to atom size. Isn't there something
more interesting you can argue about with Greg over the course of
5,000
posts?

---------------------------------------------------------

I have no idea who "iBoater" is, but I think he would argue what
shade of black the night sky is indefinitely.


Come on...you've not lost your powers of observation. Compare this guy to basskisser, and you'll
know immediately who it is.

John H.
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Hope you're having a great day!
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In article , says...

On 5/3/13 4:24 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 3 May 2013 14:34:21 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

The code says "to provide for a neutral conductor to complete the
circuit for electronic lighting controls". That is not necessary if
you have an incandescent load. Maybe you are just to dumb to make the
connection or you are just ****ing with me for some personal reason
but I am done.

None of the above. Your notion that it's just for CFL's and LED's is
bull**** and further, you know it is! As you say, it is "to provide for
a neutral conductor..." It isn't "necessary" for a CFL any more than it
is for an incandescent light! Period. And you can't show me how/where it
is, because it isn't happening.

I have a half dozen 2 wire occupancy sensors working fine on
incandescents without a neutral. None work with a CFL or LED.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?


It's not hard for me to understand, and you are changing yet again. YOU
said that the code was changed BECAUSE OF CFL's AND LED's. That is not
true.


Perhaps because you are in
beyond your depth.


See above. It's you that's in above your head. I've asked and asked to
show me where in the code, OR even in code comments it says that they
went to three wire because of CFL's. You can't because it's not true.

I suppose I could go to the manufacturer web site and see where they
verify my result but why bother. You would quibble with their language
too.


It would have NOTHING to do with code issues as you stated but now
somehow don't.




You two have split the hairs down to atom size. Isn't there something
more interesting you can argue about with Greg over the course of 5,000
posts?


I guess we could argue about who has bragged about having money but in
reality has tax liens and bankruptcies.
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In article ,
says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...

On 5/3/13 4:24 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 3 May 2013 14:34:21 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

The code says "to provide for a neutral conductor to complete the
circuit for electronic lighting controls". That is not necessary
if
you have an incandescent load. Maybe you are just to dumb to make
the
connection or you are just ****ing with me for some personal
reason
but I am done.

None of the above. Your notion that it's just for CFL's and LED's
is
bull**** and further, you know it is! As you say, it is "to
provide for
a neutral conductor..." It isn't "necessary" for a CFL any more
than it
is for an incandescent light! Period. And you can't show me
how/where it
is, because it isn't happening.

I have a half dozen 2 wire occupancy sensors working fine on
incandescents without a neutral. None work with a CFL or LED.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?


It's not hard for me to understand, and you are changing yet again.
YOU
said that the code was changed BECAUSE OF CFL's AND LED's. That is
not
true.


Perhaps because you are in
beyond your depth.


See above. It's you that's in above your head. I've asked and asked
to
show me where in the code, OR even in code comments it says that
they
went to three wire because of CFL's. You can't because it's not
true.

I suppose I could go to the manufacturer web site and see where
they
verify my result but why bother. You would quibble with their
language
too.


It would have NOTHING to do with code issues as you stated but now
somehow don't.




You two have split the hairs down to atom size. Isn't there something
more interesting you can argue about with Greg over the course of
5,000
posts?

---------------------------------------------------------

I have no idea who "iBoater" is, but I think he would argue what
shade of black the night sky is indefinitely.


Well, yes because it's not a black and white issue, there would be
several shades, light no light, what type of light, clouds, etc.
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