"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 6/12/13 6:20 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 6/12/13 4:57 PM, jps wrote:


I don't mind those who own guns responsibly and I suspect the gun
nuts
in rec.boats are responsible. What irks the **** out of me is when
responsible owners start talking about gun rights. As if they were
more important than any other right, including safety of the
general
population from an over abundance of guns that make it out into the
streets and promote violence and easy answers to hard problems.

These jerks would give up all their rights to privacy, search and
seizure, free speech and whatever else as long as they can keep
there
little dick extensions.

Meanwhile, the country's kids are at risk from idiots who can't
manage
to keep their guns locked up.


There's no question that discussions about guns brings some really
crazy
people out of the woodwork. To be involved on an issue where the
others
on your side include the likes of Wayne LaPierre, the new crazyman
who
is the head of the NRA and, of course, Ted Nugent, would make many
rational people get themselves "uninvolved."

---------------------------------------------

I recently heard about a proposal in some California location to add
a
"gun safety" course to the curriculum in a charter school system.
My
knee jerk reaction was that it was a stupid idea but then I thought
about it some more. It seems that school systems in general have
had
to take on the responsibility of educating youth in all types of
subjects that are not related directly to academics and that in past
generations were handled by parents. Since firearms and their use
are
so prevalent in our society, why shouldn't educating youth on their
dangers and safe handling not be included?

I took driver's education in Connecticut in 1964. One of the
classroom
instruction periods was conducted by a trooper from the CT State
Police. He presented a movie (old fashioned projector back then)
with
some of the most horrific and gory images of people dismembered or
having sustained horrible injuries or deaths due to car crashes,
mostly
due to speeding. I don't remember much of anything else
specifically
that was taught in classroom instruction of driver's ed but the
images
contained in that presentation remain fresh in my mind 47 years
later.

My conclusion was that as much as some would like, guns are not
going
to go away in our society. A little education never hurt anybody.






I agree that it would be a good idea to have firearm safety offered,
but
not in the public schools and not by a political organization like the
NRA. I think organizations like the Boy Scouts could do it, and even
put
on programs *in* the public schools, as a community service.

Public school assets are already stretched very thin. Diverting any
funds to pay for firearms safety courses means the teaching of basic
educational skills and course in phys ed and the arts will suffer
further.

I don't recall a driver's ed program in high school, but that doesn't
mean there wasn't one. I do remember a rather forward-thinking sex ed
class and film in the 7th grade, taught by a nurse.

----------------------------------

Good points regarding the stretching of school assets and I agree the
NRA should not be involved although promoting gun safety *was* the
original and primary purpose of the NRA before guns became such a
political issue.

When I was a kid ... maybe 8 or 9 years old, I wanted a Daisy BB gun
so bad I constantly bugged the heck out of my parents for one.
Finally one Christmas morning, there it was. But my father spent
hours with me on it's use, treating it like it was a Swedish Mauser or
something. It was the type that you could load up the whole barrel
with BBs that were sold in a little cardboard tube with a blue
cardboard cap that converted into a funnel. The BBs were loaded
through a little hole in the barrel. When full, the rifle was muzzle
heavy as hell, and off into the woods I'd go to "hunt". (never shot
anything)
But it seems to me that I remember a Boy Scout meeting at which some
representative gave a presentation on BB gun safety and also
demonstrated some "real" rifles. I don't know who he was or what
group he represented but it he could have very well been a
representative of the NRA. This would be in the late 50's.

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...


I don't recall a driver's ed program in high school, but that doesn't
mean there wasn't one. I do remember a rather forward-thinking sex ed
class and film in the 7th grade, taught by a nurse.

------------------------------

BTW ... the driver's ed that I attended was by a private instructor,
not through the Amity school system. I don't think they had it then.
The classroom instruction was somewhere in downtown New Haven.

On 6/12/13 6:52 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...


I don't recall a driver's ed program in high school, but that doesn't
mean there wasn't one. I do remember a rather forward-thinking sex ed
class and film in the 7th grade, taught by a nurse.

------------------------------

BTW ... the driver's ed that I attended was by a private instructor, not
through the Amity school system. I don't think they had it then.
The classroom instruction was somewhere in downtown New Haven.




My instructor was a guy with his own driver's ed business who happened
to be an old friend of my father. I had been driving for years at the
boat store and marina, in jeeps and trucks, all stick shifts. But you
had to have a certificate from a driver's ed guy to get a license at the
age of 16. I actually had never driven an automatic transmission car. I
was picked up by the instructor in a post war plymouth or dodge with
"fluid" drive for the DMV trip.

On 6/12/2013 6:28 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On Sun, 9 Jun 2013 12:55:23 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article
,
says...

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 22:23:56 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 18:58:23 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 17:19:00 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 11:02:21 -0700, jps wrote:


Ten people were hurt

You understand you are the only troll here for about a week.

Take it somewhere else.

And miss out on all the fine posts about trailers and trucks?

**** no, this is my home sweet home.

====

Trailers and trucks are at least related to towing boats which is a
common and on-topic issue.

Your anti gun screeds however are not, and this is most definitely not
your home.

Oh but it is Wayne. Just as much as it is yours.

Boats and guns go together like beans and rice. I need a gun to
protect my boat.

Maybe lay off until the gun nuts start talking
about their guns again. I suspect their gun
talk offends you, and I'll tell you it
offends me.
I find all guns offensive unless it's mine.
Talking about them in a public forum not meant
for that sort of discussion is akin to talking
about your masturbation habits. Gun nuts
don't understand that, because they're gun
nuts.
An exception here would be an anti-pirate gun
kept on the boat, for those who travel in
pirate waters. Those bringing that up will be
quickly told that pirates have more and bigger
guns, so you'll probably just increase your
chance of getting yourself killed.
Of course the NRA would contest that, and say
that simply having more guns aboard to equip
everybody in your family/crew/squad is how it
should be done to ward off the "bad guys."
Maybe another "exception" would be an anti-
shark gun kept on the boat, to which the
answer would be don't swim with sharks, and
don't shoot at sharks circling a swimmer.
You might kill the swimmer, and if you blood
the shark, you'll just attract more....sharks.
I have no real problem ignoring the gun
threads too often started here. I usually
only respond when I feel like calling gun nuts
trash, which is as it should be. They fully
deserve it.
I don't know why these guys get on your case
for reporting news. They can ignore your
posts. They don't. Their problem.
But you might lay off until they start another
of their gun jack off sessions, to see how
long that lasts.
Hypocrisy and faulty logic should be called
out. So give them a chance to show it again.
Makes for a more balanced circle of nonsense.
If they want to talk about boats, nobody's
stopping them.

The news makes 'em feel bad about their love of guns.

I don't mind those who own guns responsibly and I suspect the gun nuts
in rec.boats are responsible. What irks the **** out of me is when
responsible owners start talking about gun rights. As if they were
more important than any other right, including safety of the general
population from an over abundance of guns that make it out into the
streets and promote violence and easy answers to hard problems.

These jerks would give up all their rights to privacy, search and
seizure, free speech and whatever else as long as they can keep there
little dick extensions.

Meanwhile, the country's kids are at risk from idiots who can't manage
to keep their guns locked up.

More people have died riding in a car with Ted Kennedy than have died from any firearms I may
own. A responsible person doesn't kill, or cause the death of, an innocent young lady by
leaving them to drown in a submerged car.

If you want to talk about responsibility then talk about responsibility and not just aboue
firearms.

The "gun rights" are enshrined in the US Constitution. The police are not available to
protect you and if you depend upon them to assist you, you may be dead before they ever get
to your house.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/06/...s-to-new-york-
citys-new-911-system/


Responsibility is letting little girls do the nasty and the next morning
go buy a morning after pill. NO AGE RESTRICTIONS. Who was the bonehead
that signed that into law, and why?

On Wednesday, June 12, 2013 6:44:26 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message

...



On 6/12/13 6:20 PM, Eisboch wrote:





"F.O.A.D." wrote in message

...



On 6/12/13 4:57 PM, jps wrote:





I don't mind those who own guns responsibly and I suspect the gun

nuts

in rec.boats are responsible. What irks the **** out of me is when

responsible owners start talking about gun rights. As if they were

more important than any other right, including safety of the

general

population from an over abundance of guns that make it out into the

streets and promote violence and easy answers to hard problems.



These jerks would give up all their rights to privacy, search and

seizure, free speech and whatever else as long as they can keep

there

little dick extensions.



Meanwhile, the country's kids are at risk from idiots who can't

manage

to keep their guns locked up.





There's no question that discussions about guns brings some really

crazy

people out of the woodwork. To be involved on an issue where the

others

on your side include the likes of Wayne LaPierre, the new crazyman

who

is the head of the NRA and, of course, Ted Nugent, would make many

rational people get themselves "uninvolved."



---------------------------------------------



I recently heard about a proposal in some California location to add

a

"gun safety" course to the curriculum in a charter school system.

My

knee jerk reaction was that it was a stupid idea but then I thought

about it some more. It seems that school systems in general have

had

to take on the responsibility of educating youth in all types of

subjects that are not related directly to academics and that in past

generations were handled by parents. Since firearms and their use

are

so prevalent in our society, why shouldn't educating youth on their

dangers and safe handling not be included?



I took driver's education in Connecticut in 1964. One of the

classroom

instruction periods was conducted by a trooper from the CT State

Police. He presented a movie (old fashioned projector back then)

with

some of the most horrific and gory images of people dismembered or

having sustained horrible injuries or deaths due to car crashes,

mostly

due to speeding. I don't remember much of anything else

specifically

that was taught in classroom instruction of driver's ed but the

images

contained in that presentation remain fresh in my mind 47 years

later.



My conclusion was that as much as some would like, guns are not

going

to go away in our society. A little education never hurt anybody.













I agree that it would be a good idea to have firearm safety offered,

but

not in the public schools and not by a political organization like the

NRA. I think organizations like the Boy Scouts could do it, and even

put

on programs *in* the public schools, as a community service.



Public school assets are already stretched very thin. Diverting any

funds to pay for firearms safety courses means the teaching of basic

educational skills and course in phys ed and the arts will suffer

further.



I don't recall a driver's ed program in high school, but that doesn't

mean there wasn't one. I do remember a rather forward-thinking sex ed

class and film in the 7th grade, taught by a nurse.



----------------------------------



Good points regarding the stretching of school assets and I agree the

NRA should not be involved although promoting gun safety *was* the

original and primary purpose of the NRA before guns became such a

political issue.



When I was a kid ... maybe 8 or 9 years old, I wanted a Daisy BB gun

so bad I constantly bugged the heck out of my parents for one.

Finally one Christmas morning, there it was. But my father spent

hours with me on it's use, treating it like it was a Swedish Mauser or

something. It was the type that you could load up the whole barrel

with BBs that were sold in a little cardboard tube with a blue

cardboard cap that converted into a funnel. The BBs were loaded

through a little hole in the barrel. When full, the rifle was muzzle

heavy as hell, and off into the woods I'd go to "hunt". (never shot

anything)

But it seems to me that I remember a Boy Scout meeting at which some

representative gave a presentation on BB gun safety and also

demonstrated some "real" rifles. I don't know who he was or what

group he represented but it he could have very well been a

representative of the NRA. This would be in the late 50's.

When I was in the Boy Scouts (many years ago), our troup went on a camping trip not far from my home. It was going to get cold that night, and my Dad (I'll always beleive at my Mom's insistence) drove out that afternoon with a blanket and some warmer clothes for me. To cover, he brought a couple of pistols and some ammo, and the whole troup took turns in getting some instruction from my Dad and shooting the creek bank. A great memory for me, and experience for us all.

In these modern times, he'd end up on the nightly news. Sad, and indicative with what's wrong with our society.

In article ,
says...

On 6/12/2013 6:28 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On Sun, 9 Jun 2013 12:55:23 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article
,
says...

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 22:23:56 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 18:58:23 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 17:19:00 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 11:02:21 -0700, jps wrote:


Ten people were hurt

You understand you are the only troll here for about a week.

Take it somewhere else.

And miss out on all the fine posts about trailers and trucks?

**** no, this is my home sweet home.

====

Trailers and trucks are at least related to towing boats which is a
common and on-topic issue.

Your anti gun screeds however are not, and this is most definitely not
your home.

Oh but it is Wayne. Just as much as it is yours.

Boats and guns go together like beans and rice. I need a gun to
protect my boat.

Maybe lay off until the gun nuts start talking
about their guns again. I suspect their gun
talk offends you, and I'll tell you it
offends me.
I find all guns offensive unless it's mine.
Talking about them in a public forum not meant
for that sort of discussion is akin to talking
about your masturbation habits. Gun nuts
don't understand that, because they're gun
nuts.
An exception here would be an anti-pirate gun
kept on the boat, for those who travel in
pirate waters. Those bringing that up will be
quickly told that pirates have more and bigger
guns, so you'll probably just increase your
chance of getting yourself killed.
Of course the NRA would contest that, and say
that simply having more guns aboard to equip
everybody in your family/crew/squad is how it
should be done to ward off the "bad guys."
Maybe another "exception" would be an anti-
shark gun kept on the boat, to which the
answer would be don't swim with sharks, and
don't shoot at sharks circling a swimmer.
You might kill the swimmer, and if you blood
the shark, you'll just attract more....sharks.
I have no real problem ignoring the gun
threads too often started here. I usually
only respond when I feel like calling gun nuts
trash, which is as it should be. They fully
deserve it.
I don't know why these guys get on your case
for reporting news. They can ignore your
posts. They don't. Their problem.
But you might lay off until they start another
of their gun jack off sessions, to see how
long that lasts.
Hypocrisy and faulty logic should be called
out. So give them a chance to show it again.
Makes for a more balanced circle of nonsense.
If they want to talk about boats, nobody's
stopping them.

The news makes 'em feel bad about their love of guns.

I don't mind those who own guns responsibly and I suspect the gun nuts
in rec.boats are responsible. What irks the **** out of me is when
responsible owners start talking about gun rights. As if they were
more important than any other right, including safety of the general
population from an over abundance of guns that make it out into the
streets and promote violence and easy answers to hard problems.

These jerks would give up all their rights to privacy, search and
seizure, free speech and whatever else as long as they can keep there
little dick extensions.

Meanwhile, the country's kids are at risk from idiots who can't manage
to keep their guns locked up.

More people have died riding in a car with Ted Kennedy than have died from any firearms I may
own. A responsible person doesn't kill, or cause the death of, an innocent young lady by
leaving them to drown in a submerged car.

If you want to talk about responsibility then talk about responsibility and not just aboue
firearms.

The "gun rights" are enshrined in the US Constitution. The police are not available to
protect you and if you depend upon them to assist you, you may be dead before they ever get
to your house.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/06/...s-to-new-york-
citys-new-911-system/


Responsibility is letting little girls do the nasty and the next morning
go buy a morning after pill. NO AGE RESTRICTIONS. Who was the bonehead
that signed that into law, and why?

I can see the autopsy report from Calvert County, child dies from complications of over the
counter Plan B medication.

On 6/12/2013 5:44 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/12/13 4:57 PM, jps wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jun 2013 12:55:23 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article
,
says...

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 22:23:56 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 18:58:23 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 17:19:00 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 11:02:21 -0700, jps wrote:


Ten people were hurt

You understand you are the only troll here for about a week.

Take it somewhere else.

And miss out on all the fine posts about trailers and trucks?

**** no, this is my home sweet home.

====

Trailers and trucks are at least related to towing boats which is a
common and on-topic issue.

Your anti gun screeds however are not, and this is most definitely not
your home.

Oh but it is Wayne. Just as much as it is yours.

Boats and guns go together like beans and rice. I need a gun to
protect my boat.

Maybe lay off until the gun nuts start talking
about their guns again. I suspect their gun
talk offends you, and I'll tell you it
offends me.
I find all guns offensive unless it's mine.
Talking about them in a public forum not meant
for that sort of discussion is akin to talking
about your masturbation habits. Gun nuts
don't understand that, because they're gun
nuts.
An exception here would be an anti-pirate gun
kept on the boat, for those who travel in
pirate waters. Those bringing that up will be
quickly told that pirates have more and bigger
guns, so you'll probably just increase your
chance of getting yourself killed.
Of course the NRA would contest that, and say
that simply having more guns aboard to equip
everybody in your family/crew/squad is how it
should be done to ward off the "bad guys."
Maybe another "exception" would be an anti-
shark gun kept on the boat, to which the
answer would be don't swim with sharks, and
don't shoot at sharks circling a swimmer.
You might kill the swimmer, and if you blood
the shark, you'll just attract more....sharks.
I have no real problem ignoring the gun
threads too often started here. I usually
only respond when I feel like calling gun nuts
trash, which is as it should be. They fully
deserve it.
I don't know why these guys get on your case
for reporting news. They can ignore your
posts. They don't. Their problem.
But you might lay off until they start another
of their gun jack off sessions, to see how
long that lasts.
Hypocrisy and faulty logic should be called
out. So give them a chance to show it again.
Makes for a more balanced circle of nonsense.
If they want to talk about boats, nobody's
stopping them.

The news makes 'em feel bad about their love of guns.

I don't mind those who own guns responsibly and I suspect the gun nuts
in rec.boats are responsible. What irks the **** out of me is when
responsible owners start talking about gun rights. As if they were
more important than any other right, including safety of the general
population from an over abundance of guns that make it out into the
streets and promote violence and easy answers to hard problems.

These jerks would give up all their rights to privacy, search and
seizure, free speech and whatever else as long as they can keep there
little dick extensions.

Meanwhile, the country's kids are at risk from idiots who can't manage
to keep their guns locked up.


There's no question that discussions about guns brings some really crazy
people out of the woodwork. To be involved on an issue where the others
on your side include the likes of Wayne LaPierre, the new crazyman who
is the head of the NRA and, of course, Ted Nugent, would make many
rational people get themselves "uninvolved."

Yeah, but it's "your side" that keeps shoving it down our throats...

Holy crap, I hope they all died.... get over it..

On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:57:41 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sun, 9 Jun 2013 12:55:23 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article
,
says...

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 22:23:56 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 18:58:23 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 17:19:00 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 11:02:21 -0700, jps wrote:


Ten people were hurt

You understand you are the only troll here for about a week.

Take it somewhere else.

And miss out on all the fine posts about trailers and trucks?

**** no, this is my home sweet home.

====

Trailers and trucks are at least related to towing boats which is a
common and on-topic issue.

Your anti gun screeds however are not, and this is most definitely not
your home.

Oh but it is Wayne. Just as much as it is yours.

Boats and guns go together like beans and rice. I need a gun to
protect my boat.

Maybe lay off until the gun nuts start talking
about their guns again. I suspect their gun
talk offends you, and I'll tell you it
offends me.
I find all guns offensive unless it's mine.
Talking about them in a public forum not meant
for that sort of discussion is akin to talking
about your masturbation habits. Gun nuts
don't understand that, because they're gun
nuts.
An exception here would be an anti-pirate gun
kept on the boat, for those who travel in
pirate waters. Those bringing that up will be
quickly told that pirates have more and bigger
guns, so you'll probably just increase your
chance of getting yourself killed.
Of course the NRA would contest that, and say
that simply having more guns aboard to equip
everybody in your family/crew/squad is how it
should be done to ward off the "bad guys."
Maybe another "exception" would be an anti-
shark gun kept on the boat, to which the
answer would be don't swim with sharks, and
don't shoot at sharks circling a swimmer.
You might kill the swimmer, and if you blood
the shark, you'll just attract more....sharks.
I have no real problem ignoring the gun
threads too often started here. I usually
only respond when I feel like calling gun nuts
trash, which is as it should be. They fully
deserve it.
I don't know why these guys get on your case
for reporting news. They can ignore your
posts. They don't. Their problem.
But you might lay off until they start another
of their gun jack off sessions, to see how
long that lasts.
Hypocrisy and faulty logic should be called
out. So give them a chance to show it again.
Makes for a more balanced circle of nonsense.
If they want to talk about boats, nobody's
stopping them.

The news makes 'em feel bad about their love of guns.

I don't mind those who own guns responsibly and I suspect the gun nuts
in rec.boats are responsible. What irks the **** out of me is when
responsible owners start talking about gun rights. As if they were
more important than any other right, including safety of the general
population from an over abundance of guns that make it out into the
streets and promote violence and easy answers to hard problems.

These jerks would give up all their rights to privacy, search and
seizure, free speech and whatever else as long as they can keep there
little dick extensions.

Meanwhile, the country's kids are at risk from idiots who can't manage
to keep their guns locked up.

Are all gun owners 'gun nuts'? Why should not responsible owners have a desire to own their guns?

As to 'privacy, search and seizure, free speech and whatever else', it seems the folks currently in
power are doing their best to stomp on those rights also - or have you not noticed?

Do female gun owners also worry about 'there' (sic) dick extensions?

Meanwhile the country's kids are at risk from assholes who can't resist texting while driving.

John H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 18:26:06 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 6/12/13 6:20 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...

On 6/12/13 4:57 PM, jps wrote:


I don't mind those who own guns responsibly and I suspect the gun nuts
in rec.boats are responsible. What irks the **** out of me is when
responsible owners start talking about gun rights. As if they were
more important than any other right, including safety of the general
population from an over abundance of guns that make it out into the
streets and promote violence and easy answers to hard problems.

These jerks would give up all their rights to privacy, search and
seizure, free speech and whatever else as long as they can keep there
little dick extensions.

Meanwhile, the country's kids are at risk from idiots who can't manage
to keep their guns locked up.


There's no question that discussions about guns brings some really crazy
people out of the woodwork. To be involved on an issue where the others
on your side include the likes of Wayne LaPierre, the new crazyman who
is the head of the NRA and, of course, Ted Nugent, would make many
rational people get themselves "uninvolved."

---------------------------------------------

I recently heard about a proposal in some California location to add a
"gun safety" course to the curriculum in a charter school system. My
knee jerk reaction was that it was a stupid idea but then I thought
about it some more. It seems that school systems in general have had
to take on the responsibility of educating youth in all types of
subjects that are not related directly to academics and that in past
generations were handled by parents. Since firearms and their use are
so prevalent in our society, why shouldn't educating youth on their
dangers and safe handling not be included?

I took driver's education in Connecticut in 1964. One of the classroom
instruction periods was conducted by a trooper from the CT State
Police. He presented a movie (old fashioned projector back then) with
some of the most horrific and gory images of people dismembered or
having sustained horrible injuries or deaths due to car crashes, mostly
due to speeding. I don't remember much of anything else specifically
that was taught in classroom instruction of driver's ed but the images
contained in that presentation remain fresh in my mind 47 years later.

My conclusion was that as much as some would like, guns are not going
to go away in our society. A little education never hurt anybody.






I agree that it would be a good idea to have firearm safety offered, but
not in the public schools and not by a political organization like the
NRA. I think organizations like the Boy Scouts could do it, and even put
on programs *in* the public schools, as a community service.

Public school assets are already stretched very thin. Diverting any
funds to pay for firearms safety courses means the teaching of basic
educational skills and course in phys ed and the arts will suffer further.

I don't recall a driver's ed program in high school, but that doesn't
mean there wasn't one. I do remember a rather forward-thinking sex ed
class and film in the 7th grade, taught by a nurse.

FYI, one of my grandsons just earned his. He will be rewarded with the Marlin Glenfield 59C I've got
in the closet.

http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/...s/mb-RIFL.aspx

John H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!