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The F-150 Lightening was a Porsche killer.

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You're dreaming. The last year Ford built the Lightning, it had
impressive performance numbers in the quarter mile, but that's not
what a Porsche is all about. But, for the record:

2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.1

Now, take them off the track and onto the streets and there's no
contest at all. The Porsche will surefoot around corners and bends in
the road that would cause the Lightning to climb up a tree.

I had a 2001 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. Finest engineered car I've ever
driven, and I've had a few.

You are biased.

On Sunday, June 9, 2013 5:53:09 PM UTC-4, BAR wrote:
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"BAR" wrote in message

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The F-150 Lightening was a Porsche killer.



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You're dreaming. The last year Ford built the Lightning, it had

impressive performance numbers in the quarter mile, but that's not

what a Porsche is all about. But, for the record:



2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7

2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.1



Now, take them off the track and onto the streets and there's no

contest at all. The Porsche will surefoot around corners and bends in

the road that would cause the Lightning to climb up a tree.



I had a 2001 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. Finest engineered car I've ever

driven, and I've had a few.



You are biased.

Nah. I owned a Porsche myself, and he's right. They have it right. There is no perfect car, but Porsches are well sorted, extremely well engineered cars.

The Lightning is a fun truck, but is absolutely no substitute for a Porsche.
:-)

"BAR" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

"BAR" wrote in message
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The F-150 Lightening was a Porsche killer.

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You're dreaming. The last year Ford built the Lightning, it had
impressive performance numbers in the quarter mile, but that's not
what a Porsche is all about. But, for the record:

2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.1

Now, take them off the track and onto the streets and there's no
contest at all. The Porsche will surefoot around corners and bends
in
the road that would cause the Lightning to climb up a tree.

I had a 2001 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. Finest engineered car I've
ever
driven, and I've had a few.

You are biased.

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No, I don't think I am biased. The Lightning was a unique, fast and
fun truck but hardly a "Porsche eater". Different animals
altogether.
My lawyer friend has a non-turbo Porsche 911. I think it has 350 hp.
I've driven it several times and frankly, it's as much fun to drive as
the one I had. Not quite as quick, but has the handling qualities
that makes a car (or truck) good .... and safe. So, I am not
knocking the Lightning. I like and respect performance vehicles. I
just take exception to your "Porsche eater" claim. Even the
software dependent BMW M5 will outperform the Lightning on or off the
track, as will some of Chevy's Corvette models.

Right now I drive a Ford F-250 Super Duty truck and I just bought a
2002 Saturn with a five speed manual transmission for "around town"
driving. I bought the Ford F-250 new in 2008 and it currently has a
grand total of 18,500 miles on it. It will probably last me for
many, many years.

I had a Mini Cooper "S" for about a year but again, it's a BMW
product. Maintenance and parts are expensive and the only local
authorized service center is about 50 miles from me. Had fun with it,
but I am just not into the "fast" car scene anymore. It's why I sold
the Porsche TT while it still had a good resale value. You can't
drive them the way they are designed to be driven unless you are into
racing at a track or something. Or, you like getting speeding
tickets.

On 6/9/13 6:12 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"BAR" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

"BAR" wrote in message
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The F-150 Lightening was a Porsche killer.

---------------------------------------------

You're dreaming. The last year Ford built the Lightning, it had
impressive performance numbers in the quarter mile, but that's not
what a Porsche is all about. But, for the record:

2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.1

Now, take them off the track and onto the streets and there's no
contest at all. The Porsche will surefoot around corners and bends in
the road that would cause the Lightning to climb up a tree.

I had a 2001 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. Finest engineered car I've ever
driven, and I've had a few.

You are biased.

------------------------------------

No, I don't think I am biased. The Lightning was a unique, fast and
fun truck but hardly a "Porsche eater". Different animals altogether.
My lawyer friend has a non-turbo Porsche 911. I think it has 350 hp.
I've driven it several times and frankly, it's as much fun to drive as
the one I had. Not quite as quick, but has the handling qualities that
makes a car (or truck) good .... and safe. So, I am not knocking
the Lightning. I like and respect performance vehicles. I just take
exception to your "Porsche eater" claim. Even the software dependent
BMW M5 will outperform the Lightning on or off the track, as will some
of Chevy's Corvette models.

Right now I drive a Ford F-250 Super Duty truck and I just bought a
2002 Saturn with a five speed manual transmission for "around town"
driving. I bought the Ford F-250 new in 2008 and it currently has a
grand total of 18,500 miles on it. It will probably last me for many,
many years.

I had a Mini Cooper "S" for about a year but again, it's a BMW
product. Maintenance and parts are expensive and the only local
authorized service center is about 50 miles from me. Had fun with it,
but I am just not into the "fast" car scene anymore. It's why I sold
the Porsche TT while it still had a good resale value. You can't drive
them the way they are designed to be driven unless you are into racing
at a track or something. Or, you like getting speeding tickets.




With someone more skilled than I am driving it, my motorcycle will blow
the doors off that Ford truck in 0-60 and in the quarter mile and again,
with the right driver, leave that 911 Turbo you had behind, too. If I
recall the test data, the Duc will do 0=60 in 3.1 or 3.2 seconds, and
the quarter mile in 11.1 seconds. A couple of the Ducs will beat 3
seconds in 0-60 and do the quarter mile in under 10 seconds.

But...not me with driving.

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...



With someone more skilled than I am driving it, my motorcycle will
blow
the doors off that Ford truck in 0-60 and in the quarter mile and
again,
with the right driver, leave that 911 Turbo you had behind, too. If I
recall the test data, the Duc will do 0=60 in 3.1 or 3.2 seconds, and
the quarter mile in 11.1 seconds. A couple of the Ducs will beat 3
seconds in 0-60 and do the quarter mile in under 10 seconds.

But...not me with driving.

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Or me. I like bikes too ... or did. But at some point you have to
face the music and realize that reflexes aren't what they used to be
and motorcycles can be .... well ... flat out dangerous, even for
experienced riders. That, plus the fact that I got spoiled having
the Harley in Florida. I know I'll get all kinds of incoming flack
for this but cruising around in the early evening on some of the
inland roads near Jupiter in a tee shirt and no helmet was the balls.
Never went fast. Just nice, cruising on isolated back roads away
from all the noise and traffic. Compared to riding up here in MA
where you still have to have leathers on in the evenings, even in the
summer, helmet, gloves, chaps, .... the heck with it. Just wasn't the
same. Last Harley was a 2007 Ultra Classic. Beast weighed almost
900 lbs. Then, I traded a 1965 Volkswagon Bus that I picked up for
a completely restored 1974 Norton 850 Commando.
Pretty stupid move. The Norton was a young man's bike, not something
for an old fart like me. Reliving my youth, or tried to. Rode it
twice and sold it.

On 6/9/13 6:41 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...



With someone more skilled than I am driving it, my motorcycle will blow
the doors off that Ford truck in 0-60 and in the quarter mile and again,
with the right driver, leave that 911 Turbo you had behind, too. If I
recall the test data, the Duc will do 0=60 in 3.1 or 3.2 seconds, and
the quarter mile in 11.1 seconds. A couple of the Ducs will beat 3
seconds in 0-60 and do the quarter mile in under 10 seconds.

But...not me with driving.

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Or me. I like bikes too ... or did. But at some point you have to
face the music and realize that reflexes aren't what they used to be and
motorcycles can be .... well ... flat out dangerous, even for
experienced riders. That, plus the fact that I got spoiled having the
Harley in Florida. I know I'll get all kinds of incoming flack for this
but cruising around in the early evening on some of the inland roads
near Jupiter in a tee shirt and no helmet was the balls.
Never went fast. Just nice, cruising on isolated back roads away from
all the noise and traffic. Compared to riding up here in MA where you
still have to have leathers on in the evenings, even in the summer,
helmet, gloves, chaps, .... the heck with it. Just wasn't the same.
Last Harley was a 2007 Ultra Classic. Beast weighed almost 900 lbs.
Then, I traded a 1965 Volkswagon Bus that I picked up for a completely
restored 1974 Norton 850 Commando.
Pretty stupid move. The Norton was a young man's bike, not something
for an old fart like me. Reliving my youth, or tried to. Rode it
twice and sold it.




I like the looks of many of the Harleys, and I'd probably like the ride,
too, but esthetically, I just don't like driving BIG motorcycles.

With someone more skilled than I am driving it, my motorcycle will blow
the doors off that Ford truck in 0-60 and in the quarter mile and again,
with the right driver, leave that 911 Turbo you had behind, too.

But...not me with driving.

Only in a straight line. A car has more grip in the corners, and has the advantage on the track. You have to turn sooner or later.

In article ,
says...

"BAR" wrote in message
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The F-150 Lightening was a Porsche killer.

---------------------------------------------

You're dreaming. The last year Ford built the Lightning, it had
impressive performance numbers in the quarter mile, but that's not
what a Porsche is all about. But, for the record:

2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.1

Now, take them off the track and onto the streets and there's no
contest at all. The Porsche will surefoot around corners and bends in
the road that would cause the Lightning to climb up a tree.

I had a 2001 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. Finest engineered car I've ever
driven, and I've had a few.

Load the Porsche full of gravel and go up a steep dirt road and see
which one prevails!

In article ,
says...

On Sunday, June 9, 2013 5:53:09 PM UTC-4, BAR wrote:
In article , says...



"BAR" wrote in message

. ..





The F-150 Lightening was a Porsche killer.



---------------------------------------------



You're dreaming. The last year Ford built the Lightning, it had

impressive performance numbers in the quarter mile, but that's not

what a Porsche is all about. But, for the record:



2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7

2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.1



Now, take them off the track and onto the streets and there's no

contest at all. The Porsche will surefoot around corners and bends in

the road that would cause the Lightning to climb up a tree.



I had a 2001 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. Finest engineered car I've ever

driven, and I've had a few.



You are biased.

Nah. I owned a Porsche myself, and he's right. They have it right. There is no perfect car, but Porsches are well sorted, extremely well engineered cars.

The Lightning is a fun truck, but is absolutely no substitute for a Porsche.
:-)

And a Porsche is no substitute for the Ford either.

On 6/10/13 8:28 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

"BAR" wrote in message
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The F-150 Lightening was a Porsche killer.

---------------------------------------------

You're dreaming. The last year Ford built the Lightning, it had
impressive performance numbers in the quarter mile, but that's not
what a Porsche is all about. But, for the record:

2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.1

Now, take them off the track and onto the streets and there's no
contest at all. The Porsche will surefoot around corners and bends in
the road that would cause the Lightning to climb up a tree.

I had a 2001 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. Finest engineered car I've ever
driven, and I've had a few.

Load the Porsche full of gravel and go up a steep dirt road and see
which one prevails!



No one would load either vehicle up with gravel. The Lightning was a
pick-me-up truck in name only, far too fancy for the workaday world. I
took a Lightning out for a demo when I decided to trade in my
SplashTruck. In those days, it didn't even have the tow capacity of the
"regular" F150, which is what I ended up getting. Oh, and if memory
serves, the Lighting had much lower ground clearance than the regular
F150, too. Loaded with gravel and going up a steep bumpy dirt road would
have been death for that truck.