On June 18, boosters of the untested E15 fuel blend (15 percent ethanol by volume) issued a
statement saying there is no need for misfueling concerns for motorcycles as E15 becomes available
to the public. It specifically cited the American Motorcyclist Association, in part, for delaying
the availability of E15 in a press conference call.

The group insisted that the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency "has seen to it that E15 is clearly
labeled at fueling stations." Additionally, the group released an E15 fact sheet for motorcyclists.
The fact sheet stated that E15 is illegal to put into a motorcycle engine.

Telling motorcyclists that E15 use is illegal completely misses the point, because motorcyclists
don't want to use it for any reason unless independent testing confirms it is safe. One of the AMA's
concerns has always been that riders might unintentionally put E15 in their fuel tanks, due to
confusing implementation of the EPA Misfueling Mitigation Plan.

So now, besides having serious concerns with the potential harmful effects of unsafe fuel and
inadvertent misfueling, AMA members and the motorcycling community have to worry about the
consequences of breaking a federal law.

The AMA is troubled by the EPA plan for retailers to avoid inadvertent misfueling by consumers
because the plan does not provide clarity to AMA members and the public. For example, it calls for
yet another label on a blender pump that already has many labels. The plan does not require any
physical barriers in the fueling nozzle/receptacle, as was provided when the nation transitioned
from leaded to unleaded fuel. Finally, the plan calls for a single, separate E10/E0 fuel pump when
E15 will be sold through a blender pump and signage directing consumers to an E10-or-lower fuel
pump.

In addition to our concerns with the EPA Misfueling Mitigation Plan, we question if every retailer
selling E15 will abide by its requirements. If a retailer does not clearly label E15, a motorcyclist
may inadvertently receive it, believing it is an E10 or E0 blend. If a retailer does not separate
E10 from E15 in a blender pump, a motorcyclist selecting E10 can inadvertently receive up to a quart
of E15 fuel leftover in the pump hose. Or if a retailer offers only a single pump with E10/E0, what
options are left when the pump runs out of what is likely to be the most popular fuel offered at
that station?

Get the facts on this important issue with the AMA's E15 and Motorcycles-a Q&A.
Are you concerned enough to act? Take the AMA E15 Challenge. What is the E15 Challenge?
The AMA wants to achieve 15,000 (in total) actions. Currently, we are at several thousand actions.
You can:
" Sign the AMA electronic petition
" Send prewritten letters to your representative and senators
" Tweet and retweet using the message "Help the American Motorcyclist Association protect
motorcycling rights. Demand more testing of #E15! #TestE15 #AMA_Rights"
" Share this alert on Facebook

Join the AMA today! More members mean more clout to promote the motorcycle lifestyle and protect the
future of motorcycling.

The fight to assure that you have access to a safe fuel requires many resources. Therefore, we are
challenging our members and the motorcycling community to raise $15,000.
We know it will not be easy, but the future of possibly enduring costly repairs because of damage
from E15 would be far more expensive.
You can make a donation today using our secure online feature. Will you donate $15 today? Any amount
is appreciated. Contributions are not-tax deductible.
Make a donation today!
Imagine the change we could bring about in Washington, D.C, if everyone reading this alert accepts
the E15 Challenge -- It all starts with you!

Can the AMA and the motorcycling community count on your support? For more information on the AMA's
efforts, go to http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/...orThought.aspx.

John H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

John H wrote:


On June 18, boosters of the untested E15 fuel blend (15 percent ethanol by volume) issued a
statement saying there is no need for misfueling concerns for motorcycles as E15 becomes available
to the public. It specifically cited the American Motorcyclist Association, in part, for delaying
the availability of E15 in a press conference call.

The group insisted that the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency "has seen to it that E15 is clearly
labeled at fueling stations." Additionally, the group released an E15 fact sheet for motorcyclists.
The fact sheet stated that E15 is illegal to put into a motorcycle engine.

Telling motorcyclists that E15 use is illegal completely misses the point, because motorcyclists
don't want to use it for any reason unless independent testing confirms it is safe. One of the AMA's
concerns has always been that riders might unintentionally put E15 in their fuel tanks, due to
confusing implementation of the EPA Misfueling Mitigation Plan.

So now, besides having serious concerns with the potential harmful effects of unsafe fuel and
inadvertent misfueling, AMA members and the motorcycling community have to worry about the
consequences of breaking a federal law.

The AMA is troubled by the EPA plan for retailers to avoid inadvertent misfueling by consumers
because the plan does not provide clarity to AMA members and the public. For example, it calls for
yet another label on a blender pump that already has many labels. The plan does not require any
physical barriers in the fueling nozzle/receptacle, as was provided when the nation transitioned
from leaded to unleaded fuel. Finally, the plan calls for a single, separate E10/E0 fuel pump when
E15 will be sold through a blender pump and signage directing consumers to an E10-or-lower fuel
pump.

In addition to our concerns with the EPA Misfueling Mitigation Plan, we question if every retailer
selling E15 will abide by its requirements. If a retailer does not clearly label E15, a motorcyclist
may inadvertently receive it, believing it is an E10 or E0 blend. If a retailer does not separate
E10 from E15 in a blender pump, a motorcyclist selecting E10 can inadvertently receive up to a quart
of E15 fuel leftover in the pump hose. Or if a retailer offers only a single pump with E10/E0, what
options are left when the pump runs out of what is likely to be the most popular fuel offered at
that station?

Get the facts on this important issue with the AMA's E15 and Motorcycles-a Q&A.
Are you concerned enough to act? Take the AMA E15 Challenge. What is the E15 Challenge?
The AMA wants to achieve 15,000 (in total) actions. Currently, we are at several thousand actions.
You can:
" Sign the AMA electronic petition
" Send prewritten letters to your representative and senators
" Tweet and retweet using the message "Help the American Motorcyclist Association protect
motorcycling rights. Demand more testing of #E15! #TestE15 #AMA_Rights"
" Share this alert on Facebook

Join the AMA today! More members mean more clout to promote the motorcycle lifestyle and protect the
future of motorcycling.

The fight to assure that you have access to a safe fuel requires many resources. Therefore, we are
challenging our members and the motorcycling community to raise $15,000.
We know it will not be easy, but the future of possibly enduring costly repairs because of damage
from E15 would be far more expensive.
You can make a donation today using our secure online feature. Will you donate $15 today? Any amount
is appreciated. Contributions are not-tax deductible.
Make a donation today!
Imagine the change we could bring about in Washington, D.C, if everyone reading this alert accepts
the E15 Challenge -- It all starts with you!

Can the AMA and the motorcycling community count on your support? For more information on the AMA's
efforts, go to http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/...orThought.aspx.

John H.
When will they give up? Even E85 offers no net savings even when a
vehicle is built to tolerate it.

"Earl" wrote in message
...

John H wrote:


On June 18, boosters of the untested E15 fuel blend (15 percent ethanol by
volume) issued a
statement saying there is no need for misfueling concerns for motorcycles
as E15 becomes available
to the public. It specifically cited the American Motorcyclist
Association, in part, for delaying
the availability of E15 in a press conference call.

The group insisted that the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency "has seen
to it that E15 is clearly
labeled at fueling stations." Additionally, the group released an E15 fact
sheet for motorcyclists.
The fact sheet stated that E15 is illegal to put into a motorcycle engine.

Telling motorcyclists that E15 use is illegal completely misses the point,
because motorcyclists
don't want to use it for any reason unless independent testing confirms it
is safe. One of the AMA's
concerns has always been that riders might unintentionally put E15 in
their fuel tanks, due to
confusing implementation of the EPA Misfueling Mitigation Plan.

So now, besides having serious concerns with the potential harmful effects
of unsafe fuel and
inadvertent misfueling, AMA members and the motorcycling community have to
worry about the
consequences of breaking a federal law.

The AMA is troubled by the EPA plan for retailers to avoid inadvertent
misfueling by consumers
because the plan does not provide clarity to AMA members and the public.
For example, it calls for
yet another label on a blender pump that already has many labels. The plan
does not require any
physical barriers in the fueling nozzle/receptacle, as was provided when
the nation transitioned
from leaded to unleaded fuel. Finally, the plan calls for a single,
separate E10/E0 fuel pump when
E15 will be sold through a blender pump and signage directing consumers to
an E10-or-lower fuel
pump.

In addition to our concerns with the EPA Misfueling Mitigation Plan, we
question if every retailer
selling E15 will abide by its requirements. If a retailer does not clearly
label E15, a motorcyclist
may inadvertently receive it, believing it is an E10 or E0 blend. If a
retailer does not separate
E10 from E15 in a blender pump, a motorcyclist selecting E10 can
inadvertently receive up to a quart
of E15 fuel leftover in the pump hose. Or if a retailer offers only a
single pump with E10/E0, what
options are left when the pump runs out of what is likely to be the most
popular fuel offered at
that station?

Get the facts on this important issue with the AMA's E15 and Motorcycles-a
Q&A.
Are you concerned enough to act? Take the AMA E15 Challenge. What is the
E15 Challenge?
The AMA wants to achieve 15,000 (in total) actions. Currently, we are at
several thousand actions.
You can:
" Sign the AMA electronic petition
" Send prewritten letters to your representative and senators
" Tweet and retweet using the message "Help the American Motorcyclist
Association protect
motorcycling rights. Demand more testing of #E15! #TestE15 #AMA_Rights"
" Share this alert on Facebook

Join the AMA today! More members mean more clout to promote the motorcycle
lifestyle and protect the
future of motorcycling.

The fight to assure that you have access to a safe fuel requires many
resources. Therefore, we are
challenging our members and the motorcycling community to raise $15,000.
We know it will not be easy, but the future of possibly enduring costly
repairs because of damage
from E15 would be far more expensive.
You can make a donation today using our secure online feature. Will you
donate $15 today? Any amount
is appreciated. Contributions are not-tax deductible.
Make a donation today!
Imagine the change we could bring about in Washington, D.C, if everyone
reading this alert accepts
the E15 Challenge -- It all starts with you!

Can the AMA and the motorcycling community count on your support? For more
information on the AMA's
efforts, go to http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/...orThought.aspx.

John H.
When will they give up? Even E85 offers no net savings even when a
vehicle is built to tolerate it.


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probably have a net savings if we bought the alcohol from foreign sources.
Getting from Corn is wasteful and stupid. Sugar Cane supplies 9x the
alcohol per acre and lot easier to get the sugar out to start with. But old
sugar subsidy prevents that, even though we do not really grow much sugar
cane in the USA these days.

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 21:12:55 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:14:36 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

probably have a net savings if we bought the alcohol from foreign sources.
Getting from Corn is wasteful and stupid. Sugar Cane supplies 9x the
alcohol per acre and lot easier to get the sugar out to start with. But old
sugar subsidy prevents that, even though we do not really grow much sugar
cane in the USA these days.

Sugar has a worse ecological impact than the oil it is supposed to
replace. You are fixing to see a drop in sugar production in Florida
as the Everglades restoration continues.
There are also environmental concerns in Louisiana.
Brazil is mortgaging it's future with this ethanol debacle and the
impact may affect us all. When you are draining wetlands and burning
the rain forest to make fuel you have embarked on a bad path..

It's strange how the ecological minded liberals have no problem with that philosophy. Nor do the
'help the poor' liberals have any problem with what ethanol manufacturing is doing to the price of
food.

John H.
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Hope you're having a great day!