On 7/3/13 6:09 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 5:00:36 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/2/13 4:23 PM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,

says...



"iBoaterer" wrote in message

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This trial has gotten SO political and it's a damned shame. No matter

what the outcome, there is going to be a large percentage of people

who

aren't happy with it.



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Similar but different from the O.J. Simpson trial. That one had

external forces applying influence but it wasn't necessarily racial or

political.



I'm not really sure WHAT that was!





OJ's lawyers totally overwhelmed the state's prosecutors, and the facts

that the defense was able to show that some evidence was mishandled,

that at least one of the cops intimately involved in the case was an

avowed racist and engaged in shenanigans with some of the evidence and

then "took the fifth" about it, and a number of other factors resulted

in a not guilty verdict.



If Zimmerman walks, it won't be because he stalked a young man,

instigated a fight and, when it wasn't going his way, whipped out his

pistol and shot and killed the young man. It'll be because the trial

took place in a gun-happy state.

"But, Harry. you're pronounced Zimmerman guilty from the word 'go'. No need for a trial."


My opinion about the Zimmerman case matters no more than yours, Tim. I
don't see the Martin kid's family getting justice for the murder of
their son.

On 7/3/13 6:12 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 2:46:46 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:


Personally, I haven't "lined up" with either side yet.


"But, Harry. you're pronounced Zimmerman guilty from the world 'go'. No need for a trial."


I think you are quoting someone else there, Tim. I think anyone who has
a record of violence and who is outside his or her home and who shoots
an unarmed stranger is likely guilty of a serious felony. Zimmerman has
a record of violence, he was not in his home, he was advised to leave
Mr. Martin to the police, he stalked Martin instead, and when the
situation he created got away from him, he shot and killed Martin.

"Tim" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 2:46:46 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:


Personally, I haven't "lined up" with either side yet.


"But, Harry. you're pronounced Zimmerman guilty from the world 'go'.
No need for a trial. "

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Tim, your attributes are off. Harry didn't say that. I did.

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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The pronouncements of those who are not the judge or jury don't
matter.
I think Zimmerman is guilty of a violent criminal offense that
resulted
from his actions alone, but I also know that the offense took place in
Redneckville, Florida, that the victim was black, and most of the jury
is white, so I don't expect Zimmerman to be found guilty.

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Wow. So much for giving consideration to any evidence and law that
might indicate otherwise.
Redneckville? 24 states have Stand Your Ground statutes. That's
one shy of half the country.

Al Sharpton has schooled you well, it seems.

On 7/3/13 6:31 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...



The pronouncements of those who are not the judge or jury don't matter.
I think Zimmerman is guilty of a violent criminal offense that resulted
from his actions alone, but I also know that the offense took place in
Redneckville, Florida, that the victim was black, and most of the jury
is white, so I don't expect Zimmerman to be found guilty.

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Wow. So much for giving consideration to any evidence and law that
might indicate otherwise.
Redneckville? 24 states have Stand Your Ground statutes. That's one
shy of half the country.

Al Sharpton has schooled you well, it seems.


It is unfortunate that so-called "Stand Your Ground" laws allow a
gun-toter to stalk an unarmed person, confront that person, precipitate
an argument, and then shoot and kill that person.

That is precisely what Zimmerman did, eh.

Had Zimmerman not started the fight, Martin and his can of tea and bag
of skittles would have made it safely to where he was visiting or
staying with his dad.

On 7/2/2013 5:26 PM, True North wrote:
Let's just hope that the end result doesn't deteriorate into a Rodney King type situation.


Unfortunately with the sense of entitlement and the greed of the
minority leaders like Sharpton and Holder, it will be a riot...

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 7/3/13 6:12 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 2:46:46 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:


Personally, I haven't "lined up" with either side yet.


"But, Harry. you're pronounced Zimmerman guilty from the world 'go'.
No need for a trial."


I think you are quoting someone else there, Tim. I think anyone who
has
a record of violence and who is outside his or her home and who shoots
an unarmed stranger is likely guilty of a serious felony. Zimmerman
has
a record of violence, he was not in his home, he was advised to leave
Mr. Martin to the police, he stalked Martin instead, and when the
situation he created got away from him, he shot and killed Martin.

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May be the case. But to be accurate, the "record of violence" you
reference has been determined to be rather minor in nature as it
relates to his prior arrest. Basically, he was drinking along with a
friend and acted like an idiot, same as most drunks do. The initial
charge of "resisting an officer with violence" was reduced to
"resisting an officer without violence" and then dismissed when he
agreed to enter an alcohol abuse program.

As to the domestic violence accusation ... there was never a charge.
An ex-girlfriend filed for a restraining order. Zimmerman filed a
counter restraining order. Both were granted. That was the end of
that. A "domestic violence" charge was never pursued by either.

If Zimmerman's past is important then so is Martin's. There are
several examples of alleged actions and behavior that diminish the
portrayal of him being a upright, law abiding model citizen. The
only one that has been officially acknowledged by records and his
family is the school suspensions. In fact, he was under a suspension
when this whole affair occurred.

On 7/3/13 6:39 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 7/2/2013 5:26 PM, True North wrote:
Let's just hope that the end result doesn't deteriorate into a Rodney
King type situation.


Unfortunately with the sense of entitlement and the greed of the
minority leaders like Sharpton and Holder, it will be a riot...

Unfortunately? Such would be your fervent wish.

On 7/3/13 6:56 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 7/3/13 6:12 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 2:46:46 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:


Personally, I haven't "lined up" with either side yet.


"But, Harry. you're pronounced Zimmerman guilty from the world 'go'.
No need for a trial."


I think you are quoting someone else there, Tim. I think anyone who has
a record of violence and who is outside his or her home and who shoots
an unarmed stranger is likely guilty of a serious felony. Zimmerman has
a record of violence, he was not in his home, he was advised to leave
Mr. Martin to the police, he stalked Martin instead, and when the
situation he created got away from him, he shot and killed Martin.

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May be the case. But to be accurate, the "record of violence" you
reference has been determined to be rather minor in nature as it relates
to his prior arrest. Basically, he was drinking along with a friend and
acted like an idiot, same as most drunks do. The initial charge of
"resisting an officer with violence" was reduced to "resisting an
officer without violence" and then dismissed when he agreed to enter an
alcohol abuse program.

As to the domestic violence accusation ... there was never a charge. An
ex-girlfriend filed for a restraining order. Zimmerman filed a counter
restraining order. Both were granted. That was the end of that. A
"domestic violence" charge was never pursued by either.

If Zimmerman's past is important then so is Martin's. There are
several examples of alleged actions and behavior that diminish the
portrayal of him being a upright, law abiding model citizen. The only
one that has been officially acknowledged by records and his family is
the school suspensions. In fact, he was under a suspension when this
whole affair occurred.



I'm sorry...when was Martin arrested or served with a restraining order?

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 7/3/13 6:31 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...



The pronouncements of those who are not the judge or jury don't
matter.
I think Zimmerman is guilty of a violent criminal offense that
resulted
from his actions alone, but I also know that the offense took place
in
Redneckville, Florida, that the victim was black, and most of the
jury
is white, so I don't expect Zimmerman to be found guilty.

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Wow. So much for giving consideration to any evidence and law that
might indicate otherwise.
Redneckville? 24 states have Stand Your Ground statutes. That's
one
shy of half the country.

Al Sharpton has schooled you well, it seems.


It is unfortunate that so-called "Stand Your Ground" laws allow a
gun-toter to stalk an unarmed person, confront that person,
precipitate
an argument, and then shoot and kill that person.

That is precisely what Zimmerman did, eh.


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The "Stand Your Ground" laws in this country specifically forbid any
action as you have described. What actually happened in the
Zimmerman case will be determined by a jury after giving consideration
to all the evidence presented in the trial.