On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:22:04 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 7/15/2013 4:13 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:04:30 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

There is a place here that has a genuine pizzaiolo, studied in Italy.
The real deal is hard to find, most pizza in the U.S. is *******ized
anyway.

I agree. American pizza has about as much to do with pizza in Italy as
Taco Bell has to do with real Mexican food.


I had a pizza pie in Italy a few decades ago. If I recall correctly, It
was a pie crust filled with diced tomatoes heated in a brick oven. Yum.
(not)

If you're really lucky, they'll put a fried egg on top.

John (Gun Nut) H.
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On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:04:30 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

There is a place here that has a genuine pizzaiolo, studied in Italy.
The real deal is hard to find, most pizza in the U.S. is *******ized
anyway.

I agree. American pizza has about as much to do with pizza in Italy as
Taco Bell has to do with real Mexican food.

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We lived in Italy, near Naples for a little over two years. Our
favorite pizza joint was a little dive in the town that Sophia Loren
was born. (contrary to her bio, she was *not* from Rome).

The pizzas were prepared by hand manipulating and spinning the dough.
Then it was soaked in olive oil and some leafy something was applied,
following with tomatoes and a small amount of cheese. More olive oil,
then it was put into a brick oven with a wood fire. Cooked for about
45 seconds, removed, folded in half with oil dripping out all over the
place and served.

On 7/15/2013 6:33 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:04:06 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:13:09 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:04:30 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

There is a place here that has a genuine pizzaiolo, studied in Italy.
The real deal is hard to find, most pizza in the U.S. is *******ized
anyway.

I agree. American pizza has about as much to do with pizza in Italy as
Taco Bell has to do with real Mexican food.

Costco has a new pizza out that is superb. Deep dish, lots of cheese and sausage. They're 'loaded'
pizza is as good as I've had anywhere. Of course, I don't live in southern Maryland.

John (Gun Nut) H.

As Greg said, American pizza has about as much to do with pizza in Italy
as Taco Bell has to do with real Mexican food.

I've eaten several pizzas in Italy. None were as good as the Costco pizza. In fact, none came close.

John (Gun Nut) H.

My appetite for *real* Italian pizza went away after my first encounter.
Give me the real American Italian pizza; or even the real Greco American
Italian pizza every time.

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 7/15/13 11:43 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:00:07 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

This article more or less rings true:

http://tinyurl.com/ku5tae4

Having grown up in the epicenter of the pizza belt, I'm usually
disappointed by the pizza I've encountered outside of it. In all the
years I've lived in the Washington, D.C., area, I've only encountered
two restaurants that make pizza that even resembles the good stuff from
New Haven. And there was one pizza joint in NE Florida that had
satisfactory pizza...and it turns out the owner and chef was from
Providence.

I feel the same about Italian food in general.

Once you have had Italian food from the New York area, nothing else
seems to compare.
Occasionally you will find a transplant who brought the skill with
them but it is rare.
I did find a good Italian restaurant on the south end of Clearwater
Beach at the end of a strip mall right before you go over the bridge
but I am not sure if they are still there.



My guess is that most of the Italians who came to this country at the
beginning of the 20th Century landed in the northeast and that most of
them stayed there. Those who started restaurants, groceries, bakeries, et
cetera, and survived established a family business that their children
and grandchildren inherited. There are still some thriving Italian
eateries in the New Haven area that were started nearly 100 years ago,
and are still run by the descendants of the founders.

Virtually all the Italian ancestry folk I know in the Washington, D.C.,
area, were labor union officials who came down here from New England, New
York, and New Jersey. A lot of my Irish ancestry union buddies, on the
other hand, were from families that settled in the northeast, but also in
places like Chicago, Cleveland, Milwaukee, all over.

There's plenty of crappy pizza throughout the United States. Domino's,
Papa John's, and a half dozen other huge chain places. Blech.

Depends on the style of Italian food. Here in Calif, there were two
different Italian cultures that arrived. The Genoese that made up a lot of
the fishermen, and then my wife's background of Northern Italian / Swiss
Italian. Two different food styles. A lot more white sauces from the
North. The Swiss Italian were the dairymen plus some of the winemakers.

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On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:04:30 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

There is a place here that has a genuine pizzaiolo, studied in Italy.
The real deal is hard to find, most pizza in the U.S. is *******ized
anyway.

I agree. American pizza has about as much to do with pizza in Italy as
Taco Bell has to do with real Mexican food.

Don't use Domino's as your guage of the quality of pizza in the US.

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says...

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september.org, says...

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:13:09 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:04:30 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

There is a place here that has a genuine pizzaiolo, studied in Italy.
The real deal is hard to find, most pizza in the U.S. is *******ized
anyway.

I agree. American pizza has about as much to do with pizza in Italy as
Taco Bell has to do with real Mexican food.

Costco has a new pizza out that is superb. Deep dish, lots of cheese and sausage. They're 'loaded'
pizza is as good as I've had anywhere. Of course, I don't live in southern Maryland.

John (Gun Nut) H.

As Greg said, American pizza has about as much to do with pizza in Italy
as Taco Bell has to do with real Mexican food.

I've had Italian pizza, in Italy. It sucked.
What pizza somebody likes is purely subjective.
Probably an inclination to prefer what you grew up with.
Mozarella mostly comes from the same few cheesemakers.
Not much difference. It's a mild cheese, and if you
notice it's sub-par, it's probably a bad texture/stretch.
Then crust. Again, different people like different
crusts. No figuring. Deep dish/thin. Different strokes.
I'm mostly a sauce guy. Most important single element to
me. All else equal, it's the sauce that says to me this
is good pizza, or this is a lousy pizza.


The best Pizza I ever had was at Minsky's in Kansas City, Mo.

In article om,
says...

On 7/15/2013 4:13 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:04:30 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

There is a place here that has a genuine pizzaiolo, studied in Italy.
The real deal is hard to find, most pizza in the U.S. is *******ized
anyway.

I agree. American pizza has about as much to do with pizza in Italy as
Taco Bell has to do with real Mexican food.


I had a pizza pie in Italy a few decades ago. If I recall correctly, It
was a pie crust filled with diced tomatoes heated in a brick oven. Yum.
(not)

Then you didn't have a real pizza.

On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:01:52 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



wrote in message ...

On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:04:30 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

There is a place here that has a genuine pizzaiolo, studied in Italy.
The real deal is hard to find, most pizza in the U.S. is *******ized
anyway.

I agree. American pizza has about as much to do with pizza in Italy as
Taco Bell has to do with real Mexican food.

-------------------------------

We lived in Italy, near Naples for a little over two years. Our
favorite pizza joint was a little dive in the town that Sophia Loren
was born. (contrary to her bio, she was *not* from Rome).

The pizzas were prepared by hand manipulating and spinning the dough.
Then it was soaked in olive oil and some leafy something was applied,
following with tomatoes and a small amount of cheese. More olive oil,
then it was put into a brick oven with a wood fire. Cooked for about
45 seconds, removed, folded in half with oil dripping out all over the
place and served.


Soak a piece of bread in olive oil, put in toaster oven, remove and re soak, add a spinach leaf and
shredded cheese. Serve.

Yuck.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:55:52 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article om,
says...

On 7/15/2013 4:13 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:04:30 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

There is a place here that has a genuine pizzaiolo, studied in Italy.
The real deal is hard to find, most pizza in the U.S. is *******ized
anyway.

I agree. American pizza has about as much to do with pizza in Italy as
Taco Bell has to do with real Mexican food.


I had a pizza pie in Italy a few decades ago. If I recall correctly, It
was a pie crust filled with diced tomatoes heated in a brick oven. Yum.
(not)

Then you didn't have a real pizza.

Tell us all about your Italian pizza eating experiences, Harr...er, Kevin.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

On 7/16/2013 8:31 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:55:52 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article om,
says...

On 7/15/2013 4:13 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:04:30 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

There is a place here that has a genuine pizzaiolo, studied in Italy.
The real deal is hard to find, most pizza in the U.S. is *******ized
anyway.

I agree. American pizza has about as much to do with pizza in Italy as
Taco Bell has to do with real Mexican food.


I had a pizza pie in Italy a few decades ago. If I recall correctly, It
was a pie crust filled with diced tomatoes heated in a brick oven. Yum.
(not)

Then you didn't have a real pizza.

Tell us all about your Italian pizza eating experiences, Harr...er, Kevin.

John (Gun Nut) H.

So far all the reports on *real* Italian pizza haven't been too
flattering. But Loogie disagrees.