On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:27:27 AM UTC-4, Hank© wrote:
On 8/27/2013 9:13 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 8/27/13 8:49 AM, wrote:

On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:11:22 AM UTC-4, F.O.A.D. wrote:




The bike theft. A sign from that mysterious imaginary being of mythology
and superstition that another hobby would be better.


You may not be good at paying your taxes and debts, but you are *very*
good at being an asshole.


Ooooooh. JackOff tries to make a funny. Ooooooh. You freepers are funny
guys. Ooooooh.


I don't think he intended it to be funny. What is funny, and sad, is how
you see the world around you, and the insane comments you make about others.

Correct. I was dead serious.

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 18:07:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



"John H" wrote in message
.. .


Greg may have a point in using the laser to help with the 'yips'. One
could dry fire at the TV and
try to keep the laser steady. I'd be hesitant to use it at the range
until I could control it well
enough to keep folks from laughing at all the jiggling.

John (Gun Nut) H.

--------------------------

Don't worry about the laughter. Unless you are indoors, they won't be
able to see it either.

I learned to reduce the jitters by simply relaxing a bit, and also not
locking my elbows and arms.
It's like when I first tried golf. I was gripping the club so hard
my fingers where turning white.
A friend who was an experienced (and very good) golfer noticed and
worked with me to relax my grip.
He had me walking down the fairway shaking my hands like they were wet
and I was trying to air dry them.

At the next tee, I tried my new, improved "relaxed grip" and tossed
the club about 25 yards down the fairway.
Re-adjusted a bit back to a slightly stronger grip and my golf game
improved dramatically.


The range I use is indoors, so the 'spot' would be very visible. I don't have a laser on any of the
guns, but we did do some giggling at the range when we saw the 'spot' jiggling all over the target.

I wish I could find an easy cure for my golf game. I've been stuck in the doldrum 90's for too long
now.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 19:14:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Monday, August 26, 2013 5:51:05 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:


I don't practice shooting using human targets.







Well, then, why would you want a laser sight? They're not much good

for

target shooting.



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If you re-read the thread you will find that I have stated that I

think the lasers are worthless and wouldn't pay anything extra or seek

out a particular gun only because it has one. The two handguns that

I own that have them came standard with them. I don't use them.



For reasons already stated in another post, I don't think they are of

much value in a home defense, intruder situation either.

I'd rather practice shooting at close range without sighting, using

the handgun I'd reach for in the event of a home intruder.

At 10-15 feet or so, I've become fairly proficient at hitting a small

(8-inch) target, some near the bull's eye, with the 38 Chief's

Special revolver, without sighting.

Exactly right, Rick. I've always thought using laser sights was a waste and actually can be harmful especially in a smoky or light fog situation.

My son was thinking about getting a laser sight for his Taurus 9mm. and I advised him that if push came to shove it could actually be dangerous for him. and I used the Classic CZ "Duty" video commercial for reference. Here's a copy of the letter i wrote to him....


"OK, so you can see the Hollywood 'action' in this CZ pistol video. Now, looking at the bigger picture, you can see why these ninny's wouldn't last one minute against armed (usually para-military) terrorists etc, before they were taken out. Noise, racket, flashlights, yelling, laser sighting, stalling and dropping to their knees (slowly) before taking a shot. BTW, it also looks like the one guy gets up while his partner is still shooting- a good way to take one in the back."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaDlSKrep0I



Those CZ folks ain't too bright - unless lit up by a flashlight.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:46:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/26/13 4:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 00:54:49 -0400, wrote:


That looks like the one and he has the laser in the grip.


Does he like it? Does he find he laser site helpful? I've seen only one
in use at a range, and it
magnified the 'shaking' so much the individual aiming the weapon finally
turned it off. I think he
was just embarrassed.

John (Gun Nut) H.

-----------------------------------

Based on the limited experience I've had, I think the lasers installed
in handguns are a total waste of time. Unless you shoot indoors at a
somewhat darkened range, they aren't strong enough to illuminate the
target. I do most of my range shooting at an outdoor range and the
lasers are totally worthless. The Walther PPK and the S&W Bodyguard
both have lasers. Can't see them outdoors at 25 yards. In fact, I
can't see them even at 10 yards outside in sunlight.

They work ok in the house but unless there's an intruder, what's the
point? And if there was ever a life threatening confrontation with an
intruder, it's going to be a relatively close range and I am not going
to worry about taking the time to turn the stupid laser on.

The only firearm I have that has a laser strong enough to see outdoors
at a reasonable range is the one installed in the Ruger 10/22 rifle that
I recently purchased. But, I still don't bother using it. It's a
stronger laser but the battery life is limited. I mounted a scope on
the rifle and, after boresighting and adjusting the laser, I used it to
adjust and calibrate the scope. Haven't used it since.

I wouldn't pay anything extra for a laser. If it comes standard with
the gun, fine, but I wouldn't go searching for a laser equipped handgun
based on that feature alone.


I'm sorry, but I find most of this entire discussion hilarious. Red
point lasers are not intended to *illuminate* a target, if you mean by
that lighting it up. They are to tell you if you are pointing at your
human target, and not to the left or right of or above your target.

On a handgun, if you are shooting targets, a nice red dot sight like
this one...

http://tinyurl.com/nl8dkut

...from Burris is pretty good.

With the right red dot sight, a good shooter with steady hands can place
his rounds precisely. The red dot is "projected" within the sight, not
onto the target. A good target pistol will easily accommodate a rail on
which you can mount a red dot sight.


Yes, the laser 'illuminates' the target. It illuminates the spot on the forehead or chest or balls
where one desires the round to land.

If I wanted to illuminate the entire person, I'd use a flashlight or turn on the overheads.

You need to do a little military type reading and learn how words are used.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 19:31:49 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 8/26/2013 5:46 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/26/13 4:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 00:54:49 -0400, wrote:


That looks like the one and he has the laser in the grip.


Does he like it? Does he find he laser site helpful? I've seen only one
in use at a range, and it
magnified the 'shaking' so much the individual aiming the weapon finally
turned it off. I think he
was just embarrassed.

John (Gun Nut) H.

-----------------------------------

Based on the limited experience I've had, I think the lasers installed
in handguns are a total waste of time. Unless you shoot indoors at a
somewhat darkened range, they aren't strong enough to illuminate the
target. I do most of my range shooting at an outdoor range and the
lasers are totally worthless. The Walther PPK and the S&W Bodyguard
both have lasers. Can't see them outdoors at 25 yards. In fact, I
can't see them even at 10 yards outside in sunlight.

They work ok in the house but unless there's an intruder, what's the
point? And if there was ever a life threatening confrontation with an
intruder, it's going to be a relatively close range and I am not going
to worry about taking the time to turn the stupid laser on.

The only firearm I have that has a laser strong enough to see outdoors
at a reasonable range is the one installed in the Ruger 10/22 rifle that
I recently purchased. But, I still don't bother using it. It's a
stronger laser but the battery life is limited. I mounted a scope on
the rifle and, after boresighting and adjusting the laser, I used it to
adjust and calibrate the scope. Haven't used it since.

I wouldn't pay anything extra for a laser. If it comes standard with
the gun, fine, but I wouldn't go searching for a laser equipped handgun
based on that feature alone.


I'm sorry, but I find most of this entire discussion hilarious. Red
point lasers are not intended to *illuminate* a target, if you mean by
that lighting it up. They are to tell you if you are pointing at your
human target, and not to the left or right of or above your target.

On a handgun, if you are shooting targets, a nice red dot sight like
this one...

http://tinyurl.com/nl8dkut

....from Burris is pretty good.

With the right red dot sight, a good shooter with steady hands can place
his rounds precisely. The red dot is "projected" within the sight, not
onto the target. A good target pistol will easily accommodate a rail on
which you can mount a red dot sight.


You obviously have reading difficulties. The red spot indicates where
the bullet is going. No one said otherwise.

Exactly.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

On 8/27/2013 10:40 AM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 18:07:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



"John H" wrote in message
...


Greg may have a point in using the laser to help with the 'yips'. One
could dry fire at the TV and
try to keep the laser steady. I'd be hesitant to use it at the range
until I could control it well
enough to keep folks from laughing at all the jiggling.

John (Gun Nut) H.

--------------------------

Don't worry about the laughter. Unless you are indoors, they won't be
able to see it either.

I learned to reduce the jitters by simply relaxing a bit, and also not
locking my elbows and arms.
It's like when I first tried golf. I was gripping the club so hard
my fingers where turning white.
A friend who was an experienced (and very good) golfer noticed and
worked with me to relax my grip.
He had me walking down the fairway shaking my hands like they were wet
and I was trying to air dry them.

At the next tee, I tried my new, improved "relaxed grip" and tossed
the club about 25 yards down the fairway.
Re-adjusted a bit back to a slightly stronger grip and my golf game
improved dramatically.


The range I use is indoors, so the 'spot' would be very visible. I don't have a laser on any of the
guns, but we did do some giggling at the range when we saw the 'spot' jiggling all over the target.

I wish I could find an easy cure for my golf game. I've been stuck in the doldrum 90's for too long
now.

John (Gun Nut) H.


Get a pro for a few lessons.... We were gifted some "lessons" by the
team and have gotten to work with a currently ranked pro rider... Jess
has had a problem called "dabbing" that has hurt her corners for years.
When you dab, your inside foot in a corner hits the ground, and you fall
in losing contact with the outside leg and foot peg... This means you
come off the throttle, etc... Anyway, we have been working for two
years on keeping the weight on the outside peg... driving me nuts. Turns
out, five minutes into our lesson he says "she's dabbing, her inside
elbow is wrong"... Two years of agony solved with five minutes of pro
advice.... anyway, spend a few bucks, enjoy your sport more than you do
now...

On 8/27/2013 10:47 AM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:46:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/26/13 4:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 00:54:49 -0400, wrote:


That looks like the one and he has the laser in the grip.


Does he like it? Does he find he laser site helpful? I've seen only one
in use at a range, and it
magnified the 'shaking' so much the individual aiming the weapon finally
turned it off. I think he
was just embarrassed.

John (Gun Nut) H.

-----------------------------------

Based on the limited experience I've had, I think the lasers installed
in handguns are a total waste of time. Unless you shoot indoors at a
somewhat darkened range, they aren't strong enough to illuminate the
target. I do most of my range shooting at an outdoor range and the
lasers are totally worthless. The Walther PPK and the S&W Bodyguard
both have lasers. Can't see them outdoors at 25 yards. In fact, I
can't see them even at 10 yards outside in sunlight.

They work ok in the house but unless there's an intruder, what's the
point? And if there was ever a life threatening confrontation with an
intruder, it's going to be a relatively close range and I am not going
to worry about taking the time to turn the stupid laser on.

The only firearm I have that has a laser strong enough to see outdoors
at a reasonable range is the one installed in the Ruger 10/22 rifle that
I recently purchased. But, I still don't bother using it. It's a
stronger laser but the battery life is limited. I mounted a scope on
the rifle and, after boresighting and adjusting the laser, I used it to
adjust and calibrate the scope. Haven't used it since.

I wouldn't pay anything extra for a laser. If it comes standard with
the gun, fine, but I wouldn't go searching for a laser equipped handgun
based on that feature alone.


I'm sorry, but I find most of this entire discussion hilarious. Red
point lasers are not intended to *illuminate* a target, if you mean by
that lighting it up. They are to tell you if you are pointing at your
human target, and not to the left or right of or above your target.

On a handgun, if you are shooting targets, a nice red dot sight like
this one...

http://tinyurl.com/nl8dkut

...from Burris is pretty good.

With the right red dot sight, a good shooter with steady hands can place
his rounds precisely. The red dot is "projected" within the sight, not
onto the target. A good target pistol will easily accommodate a rail on
which you can mount a red dot sight.


Yes, the laser 'illuminates' the target. It illuminates the spot on the forehead or chest or balls
where one desires the round to land.

If I wanted to illuminate the entire person, I'd use a flashlight or turn on the overheads.

You need to do a little military type reading and learn how words are used.

John (Gun Nut) H.


Just to jump back in, when I was talking about the intimidation factor I
was imagining a situation where the "perp" (who can't see the dot on
himself anyway), sees the laser moving around the room, looking for a
target.. To a perp, that could suggest "this guy has a better weapon
than me, and he's serious"... again, the ideal situation is to see the
perp flounder out the window or door he came in like those robbers on
the video shows who meet with resistance....

On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:08:18 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 8/27/2013 10:40 AM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 18:07:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



"John H" wrote in message
...


Greg may have a point in using the laser to help with the 'yips'. One
could dry fire at the TV and
try to keep the laser steady. I'd be hesitant to use it at the range
until I could control it well
enough to keep folks from laughing at all the jiggling.

John (Gun Nut) H.

--------------------------

Don't worry about the laughter. Unless you are indoors, they won't be
able to see it either.

I learned to reduce the jitters by simply relaxing a bit, and also not
locking my elbows and arms.
It's like when I first tried golf. I was gripping the club so hard
my fingers where turning white.
A friend who was an experienced (and very good) golfer noticed and
worked with me to relax my grip.
He had me walking down the fairway shaking my hands like they were wet
and I was trying to air dry them.

At the next tee, I tried my new, improved "relaxed grip" and tossed
the club about 25 yards down the fairway.
Re-adjusted a bit back to a slightly stronger grip and my golf game
improved dramatically.


The range I use is indoors, so the 'spot' would be very visible. I don't have a laser on any of the
guns, but we did do some giggling at the range when we saw the 'spot' jiggling all over the target.

I wish I could find an easy cure for my golf game. I've been stuck in the doldrum 90's for too long
now.

John (Gun Nut) H.


Get a pro for a few lessons.... We were gifted some "lessons" by the
team and have gotten to work with a currently ranked pro rider... Jess
has had a problem called "dabbing" that has hurt her corners for years.
When you dab, your inside foot in a corner hits the ground, and you fall
in losing contact with the outside leg and foot peg... This means you
come off the throttle, etc... Anyway, we have been working for two
years on keeping the weight on the outside peg... driving me nuts. Turns
out, five minutes into our lesson he says "she's dabbing, her inside
elbow is wrong"... Two years of agony solved with five minutes of pro
advice.... anyway, spend a few bucks, enjoy your sport more than you do
now...

I've tried lessons with pros on four occasions. One of them was working very well when the pro moved
to California. The other three didn't do so well, although one was really nice looking! But, she
wasn't cheap, and the course is a long drive from my house.

http://www.larkingolf.com/

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

Well, if that lady couldn't help you, I'd say you were beyond help.

On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:25:28 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Well, if that lady couldn't help you, I'd say you were beyond help.

Could be. Or could be that I should have stayed for more than five lessons. It's hard to fix
everything in five lessons.

John (Gun Nut) H.
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Hope you're having a great day!