....really dumb, hateful people.

Feeding Homeless Apparently Illegal in Raleigh, NC
Posted on August 24, 2013 by Hugh Hollowell
Maggie, Hugh, and our partnering church speak with an officer.

Maggie, Sarah, our church partner, and I speak with an officer.

What Happened

This morning we showed up at Moore Square at 9:00 a.m., just like we
have done virtually every Saturday and Sunday for the last six years. We
provide, without cost or obligation, hot coffee and a breakfast sandwich
to anyone who wants one. We keep this promise to our community in
cooperation with five different large suburban churches that help us
with manpower and funding.

Today officers from Raleigh Police Department prevented us from doing
our work, for the first time ever. An officer said, quite bluntly, that
if we attempted to distribute food, we would be arrested.
"They will arrest me if I give you a biscuit."

Me addressing the crowd. “They will arrest me if I give you a biscuit.”

Our partner church brought 100 sausage biscuits and large amounts of
coffee. We asked the officers for permission to disperse the biscuits to
the over 70 people who had lined up, waiting to eat. They said no. I had
to face those who were waiting and tell them that I could not feed them,
or I would be arrested.

In the past, we have had a good working relationship with the Raleigh
Police Department. We knew that we could not use the park itself, as
doing so required a permit, but that it was fine if we wanted to set up
on the sidewalk, as long as we did not block the sidewalk and cleaned up
after ourselves. We have operated, unmolested, under this assumption for
the last six years.

By the way, each permit to use the park costs $800. Yes, eight hundred
dollars. That would cost us $1,600 every weekend, and the officer we
spoke to said the City likely wouldn’t approve it anyway.

Now, however, we are hearing that we can’t distribute food at the park,
period. No representative from the Raleigh Police Department was willing
to tell us which ordinance we were breaking, or why, after six years and
countless friendly and cooperative encounters with the Department, they
are now preventing us from feeding hungry people.

When I asked the officer why, he said that he was not going to debate
me. “I am just telling you what is. Now you pass out that food, you will
go to jail.”

What We Will Do

Simple: we will feed people. I am, after all (however imperfectly), a
follower of Jesus, who said himself that when we ignore hungry people,
we ignore him. The only question that remains is where we will do it.

We knew that with the upcoming revitalization of Moore Square, we would
have to find alternative arrangements. We have been working to that end,
but as the revitalization is currently unfunded, and has no start date,
we felt we had some time.

Regardless, we will find a venue in the downtown core to feed people. We
are committed to this and to our people, and it will happen. If you have
a private building or parking lot in the downtown core you are willing
to let us use, please contact me by email at .

http://tinyurl.com/l68gzw3

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

....really dumb, hateful people.

Feeding Homeless Apparently Illegal in Raleigh, NC
Posted on August 24, 2013 by Hugh Hollowell
Maggie, Hugh, and our partnering church speak with an officer.


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Harry, why does this bother you? Seems you would support the police
action based on the numerous times you have stated your opposition to
religious groups using public spaces or "in your face" techniques to
practice their faith. Feeding the hungry is part of their faith.

On 8/25/13 1:43 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

...really dumb, hateful people.

Feeding Homeless Apparently Illegal in Raleigh, NC
Posted on August 24, 2013 by Hugh Hollowell
Maggie, Hugh, and our partnering church speak with an officer.


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Harry, why does this bother you? Seems you would support the police
action based on the numerous times you have stated your opposition to
religious groups using public spaces or "in your face" techniques to
practice their faith. Feeding the hungry is part of their faith.

I have no objection to "religious people" helping the poor, and I never
have, so long as buying into the religion isn't part of it.

On Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:43:39 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Harry, why does this bother you? Seems you would support the police

action based on the numerous times you have stated your opposition to

religious groups using public spaces or "in your face" techniques to

practice their faith. Feeding the hungry is part of their faith.

BECAUSE FAT GREASY KRAUSE IS A COMPULSIVE LIAR, DICK....you DICK.

In article , says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

...really dumb, hateful people.

Feeding Homeless Apparently Illegal in Raleigh, NC
Posted on August 24, 2013 by Hugh Hollowell
Maggie, Hugh, and our partnering church speak with an officer.


----------------------------

Harry, why does this bother you? Seems you would support the police
action based on the numerous times you have stated your opposition to
religious groups using public spaces or "in your face" techniques to
practice their faith. Feeding the hungry is part of their faith.


The answer to this will be interesting.

On Sunday, August 25, 2013 7:28:11 PM UTC-4, BAR wrote:

Harry, why does this bother you? Seems you would support the police

action based on the numerous times you have stated your opposition to

religious groups using public spaces or "in your face" techniques to

practice their faith. Feeding the hungry is part of their faith.

The answer to this will be interesting.



You haven't figured out that ****FACE KRAUSE is only looking for the attention his "round the horn " Father NEVER gave him, don't you?

Why do you dumb****s keep even answering him?

I can understand Dick , because he's a stupid ****, but.....

On 8/25/13 7:10 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 12:42:02 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

...really dumb, hateful people.

Feeding Homeless Apparently Illegal in Raleigh, NC
Posted on August 24, 2013 by Hugh Hollowell
Maggie, Hugh, and our partnering church speak with an officer.

Maggie, Sarah, our church partner, and I speak with an officer.

Blah Blah

What is illegal is setting up an unlicensed soup kitchen in the park.

If they want to feed these people in a real soup kitchen somewhere we
would only heard good things if we heard anything at all.

I am surprised a "law and order" guy like yourself would want
unlicensed, un inspected, non-permitted operations like this around.



I doubt the legality is the concern. What is the concern there is who is
being fed, and what they probably look like.

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 8/25/13 7:10 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 12:42:02 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

...really dumb, hateful people.

Feeding Homeless Apparently Illegal in Raleigh, NC
Posted on August 24, 2013 by Hugh Hollowell Maggie, Hugh, and our
partnering church speak with an officer.

Maggie, Sarah, our church partner, and I speak with an officer.

Blah Blah

What is illegal is setting up an unlicensed soup kitchen in the
park.

If they want to feed these people in a real soup kitchen somewhere
we
would only heard good things if we heard anything at all.

I am surprised a "law and order" guy like yourself would want
unlicensed, un inspected, non-permitted operations like this around.



I doubt the legality is the concern. What is the concern there is who
is
being fed, and what they probably look like.

-------------------------------

It sounds more to me like something that although technically illegal,
law enforcement and probably local government have looked the other
way for the past 6 years that it was in operation. All it would take
is one person, either someone who, as you suggest doesn't like who is
being fed or someone (probably a liberal) who objects to church
organizations using public grounds for their functions to force the
issue, causing them to be shut down.

On 8/25/13 8:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 8/25/13 7:10 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 12:42:02 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

...really dumb, hateful people.

Feeding Homeless Apparently Illegal in Raleigh, NC
Posted on August 24, 2013 by Hugh Hollowell Maggie, Hugh, and our
partnering church speak with an officer.

Maggie, Sarah, our church partner, and I speak with an officer.

Blah Blah

What is illegal is setting up an unlicensed soup kitchen in the park.

If they want to feed these people in a real soup kitchen somewhere we
would only heard good things if we heard anything at all.

I am surprised a "law and order" guy like yourself would want
unlicensed, un inspected, non-permitted operations like this around.



I doubt the legality is the concern. What is the concern there is who is
being fed, and what they probably look like.

-------------------------------

It sounds more to me like something that although technically illegal,
law enforcement and probably local government have looked the other way
for the past 6 years that it was in operation. All it would take is
one person, either someone who, as you suggest doesn't like who is
being fed or someone (probably a liberal) who objects to church
organizations using public grounds for their functions to force the
issue, causing them to be shut down.




Doubtful it had anything to do with "church/state" issues in either of
the Carolinas.

On 8/25/13 8:07 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:10:44 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 12:42:02 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

...really dumb, hateful people.

Feeding Homeless Apparently Illegal in Raleigh, NC
Posted on August 24, 2013 by Hugh Hollowell
Maggie, Hugh, and our partnering church speak with an officer.

Maggie, Sarah, our church partner, and I speak with an officer.

Blah Blah

What is illegal is setting up an unlicensed soup kitchen in the park.

If they want to feed these people in a real soup kitchen somewhere we
would only heard good things if we heard anything at all.

I am surprised a "law and order" guy like yourself would want
unlicensed, un inspected, non-permitted operations like this around.

Harry's soft underbelly aside, what sort of "God and Family" promoters
effectively outlaw local charity? I assume their $800 per day permit
applies to "a real soup kitchen somewhere" too.


Some homeless people have serious psychological problems and won't have
anything to do with shelters or soup kitchens. Others have had very real
bad experiences at those sorts of places. The key in effective social
services is to serve those in need where they are or where they will go.

The organization has been helping out the down and out for some time. To
me, what is going on there is just another manifestation of the
institutional racism that is coming to the surface again in the Carolinas.