It is amazing where we have arrived as a nation in a few short years; a
nation sharply divided on just about every issue, subject or front.


White versus black.
Rich versus poor.
Gays versus straights.
Illegals versus legals.
Those with faith versus without.
Liberal versus Conservative.
Liberal versus Progressive.
Ultra Right versus Moderates.
And, of course, old fashioned Democrats versus Republicans.

One can no longer be anywhere near the "center" without becoming subject
to attacks from the right or left. Gone is the option of a "line item"
choosing of the best from each side. One is expected to fully adopt the
ideological preachings of one side or the other or risk being ridiculed,
condemned or determined hypocritical.

It seems like there is no social or economic issue that doesn't evoke
bitter, hate-filled responses from both sides anymore. There's no
thought, no respectful consideration to other points of view, just
automatic, knee jerk reactions, based on preconceived or assumed
positions programed mostly by political affiliations.

What we need is a thoughtful and compassionate community organizer to
convince everyone to get along and help lead the nation out of the
division and hate for one another.

On 11/19/2013 5:49 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

It is amazing where we have arrived as a nation in a few short years; a
nation sharply divided on just about every issue, subject or front.


White versus black.
Rich versus poor.
Gays versus straights.
Illegals versus legals.
Those with faith versus without.
Liberal versus Conservative.
Liberal versus Progressive.
Ultra Right versus Moderates.
And, of course, old fashioned Democrats versus Republicans.

One can no longer be anywhere near the "center" without becoming subject
to attacks from the right or left. Gone is the option of a "line item"
choosing of the best from each side. One is expected to fully adopt the
ideological preachings of one side or the other or risk being ridiculed,
condemned or determined hypocritical.

It seems like there is no social or economic issue that doesn't evoke
bitter, hate-filled responses from both sides anymore. There's no
thought, no respectful consideration to other points of view, just
automatic, knee jerk reactions, based on preconceived or assumed
positions programed mostly by political affiliations.

What we need is a thoughtful and compassionate community organizer to
convince everyone to get along and help lead the nation out of the
division and hate for one another.


Look where a thoughtful and compassionate community organizer has taken
us. Be careful what you wish for.


--
Americans deserve better.

On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 05:49:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


It is amazing where we have arrived as a nation in a few short years; a
nation sharply divided on just about every issue, subject or front.


White versus black.
Rich versus poor.
Gays versus straights.
Illegals versus legals.
Those with faith versus without.
Liberal versus Conservative.
Liberal versus Progressive.
Ultra Right versus Moderates.
And, of course, old fashioned Democrats versus Republicans.

One can no longer be anywhere near the "center" without becoming subject
to attacks from the right or left. Gone is the option of a "line item"
choosing of the best from each side. One is expected to fully adopt the
ideological preachings of one side or the other or risk being ridiculed,
condemned or determined hypocritical.

It seems like there is no social or economic issue that doesn't evoke
bitter, hate-filled responses from both sides anymore. There's no
thought, no respectful consideration to other points of view, just
automatic, knee jerk reactions, based on preconceived or assumed
positions programed mostly by political affiliations.

What we need is a thoughtful and compassionate community organizer to
convince everyone to get along and help lead the nation out of the
division and hate for one another.




I thought 'Progressives' were 'Liberals' who wanted a different name. Have I been wrong all this
time?

One of my brothers, a liberal, is also an atheist. When I used the phrase 'liberal atheist', he
informed me that he referred to himself as a 'secular progressive'. When I asked why, he got ****ed.

We have a President who began his term telling Republicans that he'd won, and they should therefore
do as he desired...without interference. This didn't sit well. He's never changed that attitude.

We have a black President who could have worked at increasing racial harmony in this country.
Instead he's worsened the situation with comments like 'he could have been my son', and not taking
the Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton point of view any time he had the chance.

When you look at the posters here, you see several who respond to *any* suggestion/criticism with
name-calling and derogatory remarks.

Damn shame. But Bobby, a flaming liberal, and I get along great. Play golf together at least once a
week. I just had his .45 repaired by a local gunsmith. He has a S&W Model 4516-1, stainless steel.
Nice gun.

http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2011/02/15/98999_01_reduced_s_w_model_4516_1_640.jpg

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 09:32:21 -0500, John H wrote:

On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 05:49:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


It is amazing where we have arrived as a nation in a few short years; a
nation sharply divided on just about every issue, subject or front.


White versus black.
Rich versus poor.
Gays versus straights.
Illegals versus legals.
Those with faith versus without.
Liberal versus Conservative.
Liberal versus Progressive.
Ultra Right versus Moderates.
And, of course, old fashioned Democrats versus Republicans.

One can no longer be anywhere near the "center" without becoming subject
to attacks from the right or left. Gone is the option of a "line item"
choosing of the best from each side. One is expected to fully adopt the
ideological preachings of one side or the other or risk being ridiculed,
condemned or determined hypocritical.

It seems like there is no social or economic issue that doesn't evoke
bitter, hate-filled responses from both sides anymore. There's no
thought, no respectful consideration to other points of view, just
automatic, knee jerk reactions, based on preconceived or assumed
positions programed mostly by political affiliations.

What we need is a thoughtful and compassionate community organizer to
convince everyone to get along and help lead the nation out of the
division and hate for one another.




I thought 'Progressives' were 'Liberals' who wanted a different name. Have I been wrong all this
time?

One of my brothers, a liberal, is also an atheist. When I used the phrase 'liberal atheist', he
informed me that he referred to himself as a 'secular progressive'. When I asked why, he got ****ed.

We have a President who began his term telling Republicans that he'd won, and they should therefore
do as he desired...without interference. This didn't sit well. He's never changed that attitude.

We have a black President who could have worked at increasing racial harmony in this country.
Instead he's worsened the situation with comments like 'he could have been my son', and not taking
the Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton point of view any time he had the chance.

When you look at the posters here, you see several who respond to *any* suggestion/criticism with
name-calling and derogatory remarks.

Damn shame. But Bobby, a flaming liberal, and I get along great. Play golf together at least once a
week. I just had his .45 repaired by a local gunsmith. He has a S&W Model 4516-1, stainless steel.
Nice gun.

http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2011/02/15/98999_01_reduced_s_w_model_4516_1_640.jpg

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


Delete the 'not' before 'taking'.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On 11/19/2013 9:56 AM, John H wrote:



On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 05:49:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


It is amazing where we have arrived as a nation in a few short years; a
nation sharply divided on just about every issue, subject or front.


White versus black.
Rich versus poor.
Gays versus straights.
Illegals versus legals.
Those with faith versus without.
Liberal versus Conservative.
Liberal versus Progressive.
Ultra Right versus Moderates.
And, of course, old fashioned Democrats versus Republicans.

One can no longer be anywhere near the "center" without becoming subject
to attacks from the right or left. Gone is the option of a "line item"
choosing of the best from each side. One is expected to fully adopt the
ideological preachings of one side or the other or risk being ridiculed,
condemned or determined hypocritical.

It seems like there is no social or economic issue that doesn't evoke
bitter, hate-filled responses from both sides anymore. There's no
thought, no respectful consideration to other points of view, just
automatic, knee jerk reactions, based on preconceived or assumed
positions programed mostly by political affiliations.

What we need is a thoughtful and compassionate community organizer to
convince everyone to get along and help lead the nation out of the
division and hate for one another.




I thought 'Progressives' were 'Liberals' who wanted a different name. Have I been wrong all this
time?


The term "Progressive" and "Liberal" are often used interchangeably,
but there's a distinct difference. A Liberal is one who typically
supports the Democratic Party's agendas and will usually vote
Democratic. A Progressive is more of an activist for liberal thinking
or programs and is usually engaged is either trying to convince or force
others to follow their goals for change.

On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:18:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/19/2013 9:56 AM, John H wrote:



On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 05:49:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


It is amazing where we have arrived as a nation in a few short years; a
nation sharply divided on just about every issue, subject or front.


White versus black.
Rich versus poor.
Gays versus straights.
Illegals versus legals.
Those with faith versus without.
Liberal versus Conservative.
Liberal versus Progressive.
Ultra Right versus Moderates.
And, of course, old fashioned Democrats versus Republicans.

One can no longer be anywhere near the "center" without becoming subject
to attacks from the right or left. Gone is the option of a "line item"
choosing of the best from each side. One is expected to fully adopt the
ideological preachings of one side or the other or risk being ridiculed,
condemned or determined hypocritical.

It seems like there is no social or economic issue that doesn't evoke
bitter, hate-filled responses from both sides anymore. There's no
thought, no respectful consideration to other points of view, just
automatic, knee jerk reactions, based on preconceived or assumed
positions programed mostly by political affiliations.

What we need is a thoughtful and compassionate community organizer to
convince everyone to get along and help lead the nation out of the
division and hate for one another.




I thought 'Progressives' were 'Liberals' who wanted a different name. Have I been wrong all this
time?


The term "Progressive" and "Liberal" are often used interchangeably,
but there's a distinct difference. A Liberal is one who typically
supports the Democratic Party's agendas and will usually vote
Democratic. A Progressive is more of an activist for liberal thinking
or programs and is usually engaged is either trying to convince or force
others to follow their goals for change.



In other words, 'a pushy friggin' liberal', like one or two of our vociferous buddies right here in
never-neverland.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:18:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/19/2013 9:56 AM, John H wrote:



On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 05:49:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


It is amazing where we have arrived as a nation in a few short years; a
nation sharply divided on just about every issue, subject or front.


White versus black.
Rich versus poor.
Gays versus straights.
Illegals versus legals.
Those with faith versus without.
Liberal versus Conservative.
Liberal versus Progressive.
Ultra Right versus Moderates.
And, of course, old fashioned Democrats versus Republicans.

One can no longer be anywhere near the "center" without becoming subject
to attacks from the right or left. Gone is the option of a "line item"
choosing of the best from each side. One is expected to fully adopt the
ideological preachings of one side or the other or risk being ridiculed,
condemned or determined hypocritical.

It seems like there is no social or economic issue that doesn't evoke
bitter, hate-filled responses from both sides anymore. There's no
thought, no respectful consideration to other points of view, just
automatic, knee jerk reactions, based on preconceived or assumed
positions programed mostly by political affiliations.

What we need is a thoughtful and compassionate community organizer to
convince everyone to get along and help lead the nation out of the
division and hate for one another.




I thought 'Progressives' were 'Liberals' who wanted a different name. Have I been wrong all this
time?


The term "Progressive" and "Liberal" are often used interchangeably,
but there's a distinct difference. A Liberal is one who typically
supports the Democratic Party's agendas and will usually vote
Democratic. A Progressive is more of an activist for liberal thinking
or programs and is usually engaged is either trying to convince or force
others to follow their goals for change.



In other words, 'a pushy friggin' liberal', like one or two of our vociferous buddies right here in
never-neverland.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

Putting words in people's mouths again, eh?

On Tuesday, 19 November 2013 14:58:32 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:18:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



On 11/19/2013 9:56 AM, John H wrote:







On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 05:49:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:





It is amazing where we have arrived as a nation in a few short years; a

nation sharply divided on just about every issue, subject or front.





White versus black.

Rich versus poor.

Gays versus straights.

Illegals versus legals.

Those with faith versus without.

Liberal versus Conservative.

Liberal versus Progressive.

Ultra Right versus Moderates.

And, of course, old fashioned Democrats versus Republicans.



One can no longer be anywhere near the "center" without becoming subject

to attacks from the right or left. Gone is the option of a "line item"

choosing of the best from each side. One is expected to fully adopt the

ideological preachings of one side or the other or risk being ridiculed,

condemned or determined hypocritical.



It seems like there is no social or economic issue that doesn't evoke

bitter, hate-filled responses from both sides anymore. There's no

thought, no respectful consideration to other points of view, just

automatic, knee jerk reactions, based on preconceived or assumed

positions programed mostly by political affiliations.



What we need is a thoughtful and compassionate community organizer to

convince everyone to get along and help lead the nation out of the

division and hate for one another.









I thought 'Progressives' were 'Liberals' who wanted a different name. Have I been wrong all this

time?





The term "Progressive" and "Liberal" are often used interchangeably,

but there's a distinct difference. A Liberal is one who typically

supports the Democratic Party's agendas and will usually vote

Democratic. A Progressive is more of an activist for liberal thinking

or programs and is usually engaged is either trying to convince or force

others to follow their goals for change.







In other words, 'a pushy friggin' liberal', like one or two of our vociferous buddies right here in

never-neverland.



John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

Y'all talking about the two Snottie twins... Scott and Scott?

On 11/19/2013 1:58 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:18:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/19/2013 9:56 AM, John H wrote:



On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 05:49:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


It is amazing where we have arrived as a nation in a few short years; a
nation sharply divided on just about every issue, subject or front.


White versus black.
Rich versus poor.
Gays versus straights.
Illegals versus legals.
Those with faith versus without.
Liberal versus Conservative.
Liberal versus Progressive.
Ultra Right versus Moderates.
And, of course, old fashioned Democrats versus Republicans.

One can no longer be anywhere near the "center" without becoming subject
to attacks from the right or left. Gone is the option of a "line item"
choosing of the best from each side. One is expected to fully adopt the
ideological preachings of one side or the other or risk being ridiculed,
condemned or determined hypocritical.

It seems like there is no social or economic issue that doesn't evoke
bitter, hate-filled responses from both sides anymore. There's no
thought, no respectful consideration to other points of view, just
automatic, knee jerk reactions, based on preconceived or assumed
positions programed mostly by political affiliations.

What we need is a thoughtful and compassionate community organizer to
convince everyone to get along and help lead the nation out of the
division and hate for one another.




I thought 'Progressives' were 'Liberals' who wanted a different name. Have I been wrong all this
time?


The term "Progressive" and "Liberal" are often used interchangeably,
but there's a distinct difference. A Liberal is one who typically
supports the Democratic Party's agendas and will usually vote
Democratic. A Progressive is more of an activist for liberal thinking
or programs and is usually engaged is either trying to convince or force
others to follow their goals for change.



In other words, 'a pushy friggin' liberal', like one or two of our vociferous buddies right here in
never-neverland.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


Pushy friggin liberals. We need them like a hole in the head. Thems the
ones who we can thank for our current messes. Do we need to nqame names?

--
Americans deserve better.

On 11/19/2013 2:35 PM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 19 November 2013 14:58:32 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:18:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



On 11/19/2013 9:56 AM, John H wrote:







On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 05:49:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:





It is amazing where we have arrived as a nation in a few short years; a

nation sharply divided on just about every issue, subject or front.





White versus black.

Rich versus poor.

Gays versus straights.

Illegals versus legals.

Those with faith versus without.

Liberal versus Conservative.

Liberal versus Progressive.

Ultra Right versus Moderates.

And, of course, old fashioned Democrats versus Republicans.



One can no longer be anywhere near the "center" without becoming subject

to attacks from the right or left. Gone is the option of a "line item"

choosing of the best from each side. One is expected to fully adopt the

ideological preachings of one side or the other or risk being ridiculed,

condemned or determined hypocritical.



It seems like there is no social or economic issue that doesn't evoke

bitter, hate-filled responses from both sides anymore. There's no

thought, no respectful consideration to other points of view, just

automatic, knee jerk reactions, based on preconceived or assumed

positions programed mostly by political affiliations.



What we need is a thoughtful and compassionate community organizer to

convince everyone to get along and help lead the nation out of the

division and hate for one another.









I thought 'Progressives' were 'Liberals' who wanted a different name. Have I been wrong all this

time?





The term "Progressive" and "Liberal" are often used interchangeably,

but there's a distinct difference. A Liberal is one who typically

supports the Democratic Party's agendas and will usually vote

Democratic. A Progressive is more of an activist for liberal thinking

or programs and is usually engaged is either trying to convince or force

others to follow their goals for change.







In other words, 'a pushy friggin' liberal', like one or two of our vociferous buddies right here in

never-neverland.



John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

Y'all talking about the two Snottie twins... Scott and Scott?

You missed it. Go back to sleep.

--
Americans deserve better.