On Saturday, March 8, 2014 10:07:46 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 05:44:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:



On Saturday, March 8, 2014 8:22:15 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:

On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 04:50:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:









Where's this? Do you fly? What?



I'm in SC. I fly airplanes mostly, from a couple of small electrics up to a giant-scale gas plane. I have a small indoor heli I play with sometimes.



This is our club: http://congareeflyer.com/



I'm building a set of floats to put on an old, .40 glow sized trainer to give float flying a shot. One of the local clubs hosts a float fly on the local lake where I boat every year.



Wow! Very nice flying facility. The pictures are great. I'll bet the new runway is a boon to

take-offs and landings.



Thanks for the link. That was fun.



Now, I could use some advice, 'cause I'm getting conflicting answers. I am considering two

airplanes:



Super Cub, BNF and the dx6i 6 channel transmitter:

http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...bnf-HBZ7380#t2

http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...ode-2-SPMR6610



or, the Apprentice, RTF,

http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...nology-EFL3100



The flyers I've talked to say to go with the Super Cub. When I call the model shops, they say go

with the Apprentice. The Apprentice is bigger, has brushless motor, SAFE technology, etc, but only

the dx5e 5 channel transmitter which has a lot less capability than the dx6i. If I get the Super Cub

BNF with the upgraded transmitter, the costs are getting pretty close between the two choices.



What do you think?

The Super Cub is a taildragger, which is a little more challenging to taxi, take off, and land. The Apprentice, being a trike gear plane, will be easier on the ground. Both being high winged aircraft with essentially flat bottom airfoils, they will have similar flight characteristics (self-righting and docile). That's what you want in a trainer. The Cub may be a bit more fun when you get more advanced with your skills, which may be why the flyers are suggesting it. Bigger flies better, and IMO, the Apprentice will be the easiest to learn with.

As far as the radios, the basic 5 channel will do the job for learning. You may find that you don't really like RC. The 6 channel does have the features that you'll want if you stick with it and get good. When you get into aerobatic planes, exponential and dual rates are a must, and multi-model memory is great so you don't have to carry multiple transmitters to the field when your fleet grows.

I started with a fairly basic transmitter, then bought a full-blown 8 channel computer one when for my second plane. Still use the basic one for one of my glow powered fun flyers. Oh, and a third one for electrics.

Good luck and have fun!

On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 12:41:59 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 05:44:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Saturday, March 8, 2014 8:22:15 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 04:50:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:




Where's this? Do you fly? What?

I'm in SC. I fly airplanes mostly, from a couple of small electrics up to a giant-scale gas plane. I have a small indoor heli I play with sometimes.

This is our club: http://congareeflyer.com/

I'm building a set of floats to put on an old, .40 glow sized trainer to give float flying a shot. One of the local clubs hosts a float fly on the local lake where I boat every year.

Wow! Very nice flying facility. The pictures are great. I'll bet the new runway is a boon to
take-offs and landings.

Thanks for the link. That was fun.

Now, I could use some advice, 'cause I'm getting conflicting answers. I am considering two
airplanes:

Super Cub, BNF and the dx6i 6 channel transmitter:
http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...bnf-HBZ7380#t2
http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...ode-2-SPMR6610

or, the Apprentice, RTF,
http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...nology-EFL3100

The flyers I've talked to say to go with the Super Cub. When I call the model shops, they say go
with the Apprentice. The Apprentice is bigger, has brushless motor, SAFE technology, etc, but only
the dx5e 5 channel transmitter which has a lot less capability than the dx6i. If I get the Super Cub
BNF with the upgraded transmitter, the costs are getting pretty close between the two choices.

What do you think?

It appears that your choice is flying your plane or fixing your plane. Which one do you want
to do the most?

Why do you say that?

On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 11:52:36 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Saturday, March 8, 2014 10:07:46 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 05:44:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:



On Saturday, March 8, 2014 8:22:15 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:

On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 04:50:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:









Where's this? Do you fly? What?



I'm in SC. I fly airplanes mostly, from a couple of small electrics up to a giant-scale gas plane. I have a small indoor heli I play with sometimes.



This is our club: http://congareeflyer.com/



I'm building a set of floats to put on an old, .40 glow sized trainer to give float flying a shot. One of the local clubs hosts a float fly on the local lake where I boat every year.



Wow! Very nice flying facility. The pictures are great. I'll bet the new runway is a boon to

take-offs and landings.



Thanks for the link. That was fun.



Now, I could use some advice, 'cause I'm getting conflicting answers. I am considering two

airplanes:



Super Cub, BNF and the dx6i 6 channel transmitter:

http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...bnf-HBZ7380#t2

http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...ode-2-SPMR6610



or, the Apprentice, RTF,

http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...nology-EFL3100



The flyers I've talked to say to go with the Super Cub. When I call the model shops, they say go

with the Apprentice. The Apprentice is bigger, has brushless motor, SAFE technology, etc, but only

the dx5e 5 channel transmitter which has a lot less capability than the dx6i. If I get the Super Cub

BNF with the upgraded transmitter, the costs are getting pretty close between the two choices.



What do you think?

The Super Cub is a taildragger, which is a little more challenging to taxi, take off, and land. The Apprentice, being a trike gear plane, will be easier on the ground. Both being high winged aircraft with essentially flat bottom airfoils, they will have similar flight characteristics (self-righting and docile). That's what you want in a trainer. The Cub may be a bit more fun when you get more advanced with your skills, which may be why the flyers are suggesting it. Bigger flies better, and IMO, the Apprentice will be the easiest to learn with.

As far as the radios, the basic 5 channel will do the job for learning. You may find that you don't really like RC. The 6 channel does have the features that you'll want if you stick with it and get good. When you get into aerobatic planes, exponential and dual rates are a must, and multi-model memory is great so you don't have to carry multiple transmitters to the field when your fleet grows.

I started with a fairly basic transmitter, then bought a full-blown 8 channel computer one when for my second plane. Still use the basic one for one of my glow powered fun flyers. Oh, and a third one for electrics.

Good luck and have fun!

Thanks for the time and effort...and the advice. One nice thing about the six channel was the
ability to 'buddy up', which I'm not sure the five channel allows. I wish it were possible to
upgrade the transmitter for the Apprentice.

Again, thanks for the help.

On Saturday, March 8, 2014 3:49:15 PM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 11:52:36 -0800 (PST), wrote:



On Saturday, March 8, 2014 10:07:46 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:

On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 05:44:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:







On Saturday, March 8, 2014 8:22:15 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:



On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 04:50:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:



















Where's this? Do you fly? What?







I'm in SC. I fly airplanes mostly, from a couple of small electrics up to a giant-scale gas plane. I have a small indoor heli I play with sometimes.







This is our club: http://congareeflyer.com/







I'm building a set of floats to put on an old, .40 glow sized trainer to give float flying a shot. One of the local clubs hosts a float fly on the local lake where I boat every year.







Wow! Very nice flying facility. The pictures are great. I'll bet the new runway is a boon to



take-offs and landings.







Thanks for the link. That was fun.







Now, I could use some advice, 'cause I'm getting conflicting answers. I am considering two



airplanes:







Super Cub, BNF and the dx6i 6 channel transmitter:



http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...bnf-HBZ7380#t2



http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...ode-2-SPMR6610







or, the Apprentice, RTF,



http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...nology-EFL3100







The flyers I've talked to say to go with the Super Cub. When I call the model shops, they say go



with the Apprentice. The Apprentice is bigger, has brushless motor, SAFE technology, etc, but only



the dx5e 5 channel transmitter which has a lot less capability than the dx6i. If I get the Super Cub



BNF with the upgraded transmitter, the costs are getting pretty close between the two choices.







What do you think?



The Super Cub is a taildragger, which is a little more challenging to taxi, take off, and land. The Apprentice, being a trike gear plane, will be easier on the ground. Both being high winged aircraft with essentially flat bottom airfoils, they will have similar flight characteristics (self-righting and docile). That's what you want in a trainer. The Cub may be a bit more fun when you get more advanced with your skills, which may be why the flyers are suggesting it. Bigger flies better, and IMO, the Apprentice will be the easiest to learn with.



As far as the radios, the basic 5 channel will do the job for learning. You may find that you don't really like RC. The 6 channel does have the features that you'll want if you stick with it and get good. When you get into aerobatic planes, exponential and dual rates are a must, and multi-model memory is great so you don't have to carry multiple transmitters to the field when your fleet grows.



I started with a fairly basic transmitter, then bought a full-blown 8 channel computer one when for my second plane. Still use the basic one for one of my glow powered fun flyers. Oh, and a third one for electrics.



Good luck and have fun!



Thanks for the time and effort...and the advice. One nice thing about the six channel was the

ability to 'buddy up', which I'm not sure the five channel allows. I wish it were possible to
upgrade the transmitter for the Apprentice.


For what its woth, the 5 cahnnel does have that option:

http://www.spektrumrc.com/Products/D...rodID=SPMR5500

"*JR(R) and Spektrum(tm) compatible trainer system"

It's a pretty common capability on all "normal" RC transmitters. The little cheapie ones, not so much.

On 3/8/2014 3:15 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 12:41:59 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 05:44:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Saturday, March 8, 2014 8:22:15 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 04:50:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:




Where's this? Do you fly? What?

I'm in SC. I fly airplanes mostly, from a couple of small electrics up to a giant-scale gas plane. I have a small indoor heli I play with sometimes.

This is our club: http://congareeflyer.com/

I'm building a set of floats to put on an old, .40 glow sized trainer to give float flying a shot. One of the local clubs hosts a float fly on the local lake where I boat every year.

Wow! Very nice flying facility. The pictures are great. I'll bet the new runway is a boon to
take-offs and landings.

Thanks for the link. That was fun.

Now, I could use some advice, 'cause I'm getting conflicting answers. I am considering two
airplanes:

Super Cub, BNF and the dx6i 6 channel transmitter:
http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...bnf-HBZ7380#t2
http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...ode-2-SPMR6610

or, the Apprentice, RTF,
http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...nology-EFL3100

The flyers I've talked to say to go with the Super Cub. When I call the model shops, they say go
with the Apprentice. The Apprentice is bigger, has brushless motor, SAFE technology, etc, but only
the dx5e 5 channel transmitter which has a lot less capability than the dx6i. If I get the Super Cub
BNF with the upgraded transmitter, the costs are getting pretty close between the two choices.

What do you think?

It appears that your choice is flying your plane or fixing your plane. Which one do you want
to do the most?

Why do you say that?


I thought about it for a second then thought you can pay 169 and spend
time fixing it, or 299 and fly it...

On 3/8/2014 3:15 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 12:41:59 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 05:44:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Saturday, March 8, 2014 8:22:15 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 04:50:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:




Where's this? Do you fly? What?

I'm in SC. I fly airplanes mostly, from a couple of small electrics up to a giant-scale gas plane. I have a small indoor heli I play with sometimes.

This is our club: http://congareeflyer.com/

I'm building a set of floats to put on an old, .40 glow sized trainer to give float flying a shot. One of the local clubs hosts a float fly on the local lake where I boat every year.

Wow! Very nice flying facility. The pictures are great. I'll bet the new runway is a boon to
take-offs and landings.

Thanks for the link. That was fun.

Now, I could use some advice, 'cause I'm getting conflicting answers. I am considering two
airplanes:

Super Cub, BNF and the dx6i 6 channel transmitter:
http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...bnf-HBZ7380#t2
http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...ode-2-SPMR6610

or, the Apprentice, RTF,
http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...nology-EFL3100

The flyers I've talked to say to go with the Super Cub. When I call the model shops, they say go
with the Apprentice. The Apprentice is bigger, has brushless motor, SAFE technology, etc, but only
the dx5e 5 channel transmitter which has a lot less capability than the dx6i. If I get the Super Cub
BNF with the upgraded transmitter, the costs are getting pretty close between the two choices.

What do you think?

It appears that your choice is flying your plane or fixing your plane. Which one do you want
to do the most?

Why do you say that?


Sorry, didn't finish my though.. I think he means the learning curve is
such that if you buy the cheaper plane without the safe tech, you will
crash it and break it.. that's downtime... For 299 you get the SAFE and
won't spend so much time down...

On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 16:40:05 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Saturday, March 8, 2014 3:49:15 PM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 11:52:36 -0800 (PST), wrote:



On Saturday, March 8, 2014 10:07:46 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:

On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 05:44:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:







On Saturday, March 8, 2014 8:22:15 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:



On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 04:50:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:



















Where's this? Do you fly? What?







I'm in SC. I fly airplanes mostly, from a couple of small electrics up to a giant-scale gas plane. I have a small indoor heli I play with sometimes.







This is our club: http://congareeflyer.com/







I'm building a set of floats to put on an old, .40 glow sized trainer to give float flying a shot. One of the local clubs hosts a float fly on the local lake where I boat every year.







Wow! Very nice flying facility. The pictures are great. I'll bet the new runway is a boon to



take-offs and landings.







Thanks for the link. That was fun.







Now, I could use some advice, 'cause I'm getting conflicting answers. I am considering two



airplanes:







Super Cub, BNF and the dx6i 6 channel transmitter:



http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...bnf-HBZ7380#t2



http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...ode-2-SPMR6610







or, the Apprentice, RTF,



http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...nology-EFL3100







The flyers I've talked to say to go with the Super Cub. When I call the model shops, they say go



with the Apprentice. The Apprentice is bigger, has brushless motor, SAFE technology, etc, but only



the dx5e 5 channel transmitter which has a lot less capability than the dx6i. If I get the Super Cub



BNF with the upgraded transmitter, the costs are getting pretty close between the two choices.







What do you think?



The Super Cub is a taildragger, which is a little more challenging to taxi, take off, and land. The Apprentice, being a trike gear plane, will be easier on the ground. Both being high winged aircraft with essentially flat bottom airfoils, they will have similar flight characteristics (self-righting and docile). That's what you want in a trainer. The Cub may be a bit more fun when you get more advanced with your skills, which may be why the flyers are suggesting it. Bigger flies better, and IMO, the Apprentice will be the easiest to learn with.



As far as the radios, the basic 5 channel will do the job for learning. You may find that you don't really like RC. The 6 channel does have the features that you'll want if you stick with it and get good. When you get into aerobatic planes, exponential and dual rates are a must, and multi-model memory is great so you don't have to carry multiple transmitters to the field when your fleet grows.



I started with a fairly basic transmitter, then bought a full-blown 8 channel computer one when for my second plane. Still use the basic one for one of my glow powered fun flyers. Oh, and a third one for electrics.



Good luck and have fun!



Thanks for the time and effort...and the advice. One nice thing about the six channel was the

ability to 'buddy up', which I'm not sure the five channel allows. I wish it were possible to
upgrade the transmitter for the Apprentice.


For what its woth, the 5 cahnnel does have that option:

http://www.spektrumrc.com/Products/D...rodID=SPMR5500

"*JR(R) and Spektrum(tm) compatible trainer system"

It's a pretty common capability on all "normal" RC transmitters. The little cheapie ones, not so much.

Yeah, I talked to Horizon Hobby and they confirmed that. Interestingly though, the salesman there
recommended I get the Super Cub, given the offer of the 'experts' to teach me to fly the thing.

I went by the field this evening and was introduced to another 'expert'. He also advised the Super
Cub and offered to teach me to fly it. I think that's what I'll go with and get the upgraded
transmitter.

On Saturday, March 8, 2014 9:00:27 PM UTC-5, John H. wrote:

I went by the field this evening and was introduced to another 'expert'. He also advised the Super

Cub and offered to teach me to fly it. I think that's what I'll go with and get the upgraded

transmitter.

Whatever you do, don't take it to the local park to "try it out" before you go to the field for your first lesson. No matter how straight the control surfaces look and how careful you are setting things up, a new airplane will not fly straight until it's trimmed out. It will bank, turn, dive or climb, and usually more than one of those. It can be a handful for an experienced RC pilot to keep a really bad one in the air until you get the trim set so it'll fly straight with the sticks at rest. For someone's very first flight? Forget it.

On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 05:24:07 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, March 8, 2014 9:00:27 PM UTC-5, John H. wrote:

I went by the field this evening and was introduced to another 'expert'. He also advised the Super

Cub and offered to teach me to fly it. I think that's what I'll go with and get the upgraded

transmitter.

Whatever you do, don't take it to the local park to "try it out" before you go to the field for your
first lesson. No matter how straight the control surfaces look and how careful you are setting
things up, a new airplane will not fly straight until it's trimmed out. It will bank, turn, dive or
climb, and usually more than one of those. It can be a handful for an experienced RC pilot to
keep a really bad one in the air until you get the trim set so it'll fly straight with the sticks at rest.
For someone's very first flight? Forget it.

===

Do you adjust the trim while it's in the air or do you have to bring
it back down for each adjustment?

In article , says...

On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 12:41:59 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 05:44:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Saturday, March 8, 2014 8:22:15 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 04:50:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:




Where's this? Do you fly? What?

I'm in SC. I fly airplanes mostly, from a couple of small electrics up to a giant-scale gas plane. I have a small indoor heli I play with sometimes.

This is our club: http://congareeflyer.com/

I'm building a set of floats to put on an old, .40 glow sized trainer to give float flying a shot. One of the local clubs hosts a float fly on the local lake where I boat every year.

Wow! Very nice flying facility. The pictures are great. I'll bet the new runway is a boon to
take-offs and landings.

Thanks for the link. That was fun.

Now, I could use some advice, 'cause I'm getting conflicting answers. I am considering two
airplanes:

Super Cub, BNF and the dx6i 6 channel transmitter:
http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...bnf-HBZ7380#t2
http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...ode-2-SPMR6610

or, the Apprentice, RTF,
http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...nology-EFL3100

The flyers I've talked to say to go with the Super Cub. When I call the model shops, they say go
with the Apprentice. The Apprentice is bigger, has brushless motor, SAFE technology, etc, but only
the dx5e 5 channel transmitter which has a lot less capability than the dx6i. If I get the Super Cub
BNF with the upgraded transmitter, the costs are getting pretty close between the two choices.

What do you think?

It appears that your choice is flying your plane or fixing your plane. Which one do you want
to do the most?

Why do you say that?

The Apprentice has the "SAFE" feature which will keep your plane from making a Blew Crater.
One piece blew over there, one piece blew over that way...