On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:56:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/11/14, 7:48 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:17:40 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:02:48 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:

BTW Harry, why would you of all people want to hang around a 'right-wing pigpen?"

===

Every once in a while he gets to hear about real boats.

Well, he's not interested in hearing about your trawler. It's too slow, and there's no way he'd
spend all that time getting from one place to another. Of course, he is pretty quick on his Ducati
superbike.

===

I guess we shouldn't tell him that slow trawlers are an excellent
platform for viewing skimpy bikinis in exotic locations. Of course
even a slow trawler is faster than an imaginary Ducati.


His trawler isn't slow. Remember, it's got twin Volvo diesels - probably turbocharged - to get him
to Florida at 727 speed.



The idea of spending a lot of time in exotic locations waiting for parts
to fix a broken down old trawler with failing generators, transmissions,
et cetera, has little appeal to me.

It's for sure that 'sitting on the hard' will be much easier on the generator, transmissions, et
cetera. You really should crank those Volvo diesels up every couple of years, just to move the oil
around.

And, if you're in an exotic location, what the hell's wrong with spending some time there while
waiting for a new generator to arrive? Sounds ideal to me....planned that way, maybe, eh?

On 3/11/14, 8:23 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:56:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/11/14, 7:48 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:17:40 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:02:48 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:

BTW Harry, why would you of all people want to hang around a 'right-wing pigpen?"

===

Every once in a while he gets to hear about real boats.

Well, he's not interested in hearing about your trawler. It's too slow, and there's no way he'd
spend all that time getting from one place to another. Of course, he is pretty quick on his Ducati
superbike.

===

I guess we shouldn't tell him that slow trawlers are an excellent
platform for viewing skimpy bikinis in exotic locations. Of course
even a slow trawler is faster than an imaginary Ducati.


His trawler isn't slow. Remember, it's got twin Volvo diesels - probably turbocharged - to get him
to Florida at 727 speed.



The idea of spending a lot of time in exotic locations waiting for parts
to fix a broken down old trawler with failing generators, transmissions,
et cetera, has little appeal to me.

It's for sure that 'sitting on the hard' will be much easier on the generator, transmissions, et
cetera. You really should crank those Volvo diesels up every couple of years, just to move the oil
around.

And, if you're in an exotic location, what the hell's wrong with spending some time there while
waiting for a new generator to arrive? Sounds ideal to me....planned that way, maybe, eh?



You seem to think that what might appeal to you is of universal appeal.
Oh, and typically, you're not waiting for a new generator to arrive,
you're waiting for a part on your existing generator to arrive.

I get a kick out of you "full-time retirees." You've got nothing of
consequence to do all day long, all week long, all month long, so you
have to find a zillion little hobbies to fill out your dance card. Golf,
model airplanes, RV'ing, firearms, motorcycling, bluegrass festivals,
guitars. What's next, line dancing?

On 3/11/2014 8:23 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:56:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/11/14, 7:48 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:17:40 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:02:48 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:

BTW Harry, why would you of all people want to hang around a 'right-wing pigpen?"

===

Every once in a while he gets to hear about real boats.

Well, he's not interested in hearing about your trawler. It's too slow, and there's no way he'd
spend all that time getting from one place to another. Of course, he is pretty quick on his Ducati
superbike.

===

I guess we shouldn't tell him that slow trawlers are an excellent
platform for viewing skimpy bikinis in exotic locations. Of course
even a slow trawler is faster than an imaginary Ducati.


His trawler isn't slow. Remember, it's got twin Volvo diesels - probably turbocharged - to get him
to Florida at 727 speed.



The idea of spending a lot of time in exotic locations waiting for parts
to fix a broken down old trawler with failing generators, transmissions,
et cetera, has little appeal to me.

It's for sure that 'sitting on the hard' will be much easier on the generator, transmissions, et
cetera. You really should crank those Volvo diesels up every couple of years, just to move the oil
around.

And, if you're in an exotic location, what the hell's wrong with spending some time there while
waiting for a new generator to arrive? Sounds ideal to me....planned that way, maybe, eh?



A new boat is not a guarantee that you aren't going to have issues or
breakdowns that you may be required to address yourself while underway.

The Navigator and the Egg Harbor that I had were both brand new. Even
though we spent a full summer cruising locally with no issues with the
Navigator before heading for Florida in the fall, it experienced a
couple of relatively minor problems during the trip south that didn't
show up during the "shakedown" period. Becoming familiar with the
systems on your boat and engines is very important because a warranty
doesn't do you much good while cruising off shore or away from your
friendly dealer.

One issue with the Navigator that I discovered had to do with the high
pressure fuel lines used on the Volvo diesels. I learned about it from a
fellow boater that I met in a port we visited who also had the same
engines and had received a notice from the manufacturer regarding the
problem and the fix. It had to do with vibration in the high pressure
fuel lines causing metal fatigue at one of the fittings. A failure of
the fitting would cause a very messy situation with diesel fuel being
sprayed all over the engine compartment. The fix was simple but I am
glad I learned about it and had some tools to fix it myself. The other
issues were not as serious, but again they needed to be addressed
quickly and without the boat manufacturer or dealer's assistance.

The Egg that I had (for only a couple of years) had a more expensive
repair issue that showed up within a month of taking delivery. It had a
cockpit cooler/freezer that was installed against the salon bulkhead.
During manufacture Egg Harbor forgot to blow insulation between the
freezer and the bulkhead. I noticed one day that the inside wall of the
salon bulkhead and carpeting were wet due to being ice cold and
condensing water vapor.

Egg sent a tech up who fixed and insulated the freezer properly.
The only other issues with that boat was a pre-heat system on one of the
Cat diesels that kept tripping a breaker (fixed by Egg Harbor) and the
Furuno chartplotter that kept locking up. The latter problem was due to
the installer not properly grounding the equipment to the bonding
system. It was an intermittent type problem that was difficult to diagnose.

Point is, unlike a computer where you can simply call up an English
speaking tech rep to solve a problem, there are occasions on a boat ...
even a brand new one ... that you are going to have to dig in and get
your hands dirty.

On 3/11/2014 6:56 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/11/14, 7:48 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:17:40 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:02:48 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:

BTW Harry, why would you of all people want to hang around a
'right-wing pigpen?"

===

Every once in a while he gets to hear about real boats.

Well, he's not interested in hearing about your trawler. It's too
slow, and there's no way he'd
spend all that time getting from one place to another. Of course, he
is pretty quick on his Ducati
superbike.

===

I guess we shouldn't tell him that slow trawlers are an excellent
platform for viewing skimpy bikinis in exotic locations. Of course
even a slow trawler is faster than an imaginary Ducati.


His trawler isn't slow. Remember, it's got twin Volvo diesels -
probably turbocharged - to get him
to Florida at 727 speed.



The idea of spending a lot of time in exotic locations waiting for parts
to fix a broken down old trawler with failing generators, transmissions,
et cetera, has little appeal to me.

Is that why you don't pilot your boat to exotic locations. I'll bet you
haven't gone seaward of the bridge tunnel in your current boat.

On 3/11/2014 7:36 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
I get a kick out of you "full-time retirees." You've got nothing of
consequence to do all day long, all week long, all month long, so you
have to find a zillion little hobbies to fill out your dance card. Golf,
model airplanes, RV'ing, firearms, motorcycling, bluegrass festivals,
guitars. What's next, line dancing?

How about you? How do you fill your days, weeks, and months. Surely you
don't spend all of your time ogling the girls and guys on the Florida
beaches.

On 3/11/2014 8:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/11/2014 8:23 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:56:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/11/14, 7:48 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:17:40 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:02:48 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:

BTW Harry, why would you of all people want to hang around a
'right-wing pigpen?"

===

Every once in a while he gets to hear about real boats.

Well, he's not interested in hearing about your trawler. It's too
slow, and there's no way he'd
spend all that time getting from one place to another. Of course,
he is pretty quick on his Ducati
superbike.

===

I guess we shouldn't tell him that slow trawlers are an excellent
platform for viewing skimpy bikinis in exotic locations. Of course
even a slow trawler is faster than an imaginary Ducati.


His trawler isn't slow. Remember, it's got twin Volvo diesels -
probably turbocharged - to get him
to Florida at 727 speed.



The idea of spending a lot of time in exotic locations waiting for parts
to fix a broken down old trawler with failing generators, transmissions,
et cetera, has little appeal to me.

It's for sure that 'sitting on the hard' will be much easier on the
generator, transmissions, et
cetera. You really should crank those Volvo diesels up every couple of
years, just to move the oil
around.

And, if you're in an exotic location, what the hell's wrong with
spending some time there while
waiting for a new generator to arrive? Sounds ideal to me....planned
that way, maybe, eh?



A new boat is not a guarantee that you aren't going to have issues or
breakdowns that you may be required to address yourself while underway.

The Navigator and the Egg Harbor that I had were both brand new. Even
though we spent a full summer cruising locally with no issues with the
Navigator before heading for Florida in the fall, it experienced a
couple of relatively minor problems during the trip south that didn't
show up during the "shakedown" period. Becoming familiar with the
systems on your boat and engines is very important because a warranty
doesn't do you much good while cruising off shore or away from your
friendly dealer.

One issue with the Navigator that I discovered had to do with the high
pressure fuel lines used on the Volvo diesels. I learned about it from a
fellow boater that I met in a port we visited who also had the same
engines and had received a notice from the manufacturer regarding the
problem and the fix. It had to do with vibration in the high pressure
fuel lines causing metal fatigue at one of the fittings. A failure of
the fitting would cause a very messy situation with diesel fuel being
sprayed all over the engine compartment. The fix was simple but I am
glad I learned about it and had some tools to fix it myself. The other
issues were not as serious, but again they needed to be addressed
quickly and without the boat manufacturer or dealer's assistance.

The Egg that I had (for only a couple of years) had a more expensive
repair issue that showed up within a month of taking delivery. It had a
cockpit cooler/freezer that was installed against the salon bulkhead.
During manufacture Egg Harbor forgot to blow insulation between the
freezer and the bulkhead. I noticed one day that the inside wall of the
salon bulkhead and carpeting were wet due to being ice cold and
condensing water vapor.

Egg sent a tech up who fixed and insulated the freezer properly.
The only other issues with that boat was a pre-heat system on one of the
Cat diesels that kept tripping a breaker (fixed by Egg Harbor) and the
Furuno chartplotter that kept locking up. The latter problem was due to
the installer not properly grounding the equipment to the bonding
system. It was an intermittent type problem that was difficult to
diagnose.

Point is, unlike a computer where you can simply call up an English
speaking tech rep to solve a problem, there are occasions on a boat ...
even a brand new one ... that you are going to have to dig in and get
your hands dirty.


Harry's boat came with free "trawler genius" support.

On 3/11/2014 9:50 AM, HanK wrote:
On 3/11/2014 8:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/11/2014 8:23 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:56:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/11/14, 7:48 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:17:40 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:02:48 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:

BTW Harry, why would you of all people want to hang around a
'right-wing pigpen?"

===

Every once in a while he gets to hear about real boats.

Well, he's not interested in hearing about your trawler. It's too
slow, and there's no way he'd
spend all that time getting from one place to another. Of course,
he is pretty quick on his Ducati
superbike.

===

I guess we shouldn't tell him that slow trawlers are an excellent
platform for viewing skimpy bikinis in exotic locations. Of course
even a slow trawler is faster than an imaginary Ducati.


His trawler isn't slow. Remember, it's got twin Volvo diesels -
probably turbocharged - to get him
to Florida at 727 speed.



The idea of spending a lot of time in exotic locations waiting for
parts
to fix a broken down old trawler with failing generators,
transmissions,
et cetera, has little appeal to me.

It's for sure that 'sitting on the hard' will be much easier on the
generator, transmissions, et
cetera. You really should crank those Volvo diesels up every couple of
years, just to move the oil
around.

And, if you're in an exotic location, what the hell's wrong with
spending some time there while
waiting for a new generator to arrive? Sounds ideal to me....planned
that way, maybe, eh?



A new boat is not a guarantee that you aren't going to have issues or
breakdowns that you may be required to address yourself while underway.

The Navigator and the Egg Harbor that I had were both brand new. Even
though we spent a full summer cruising locally with no issues with the
Navigator before heading for Florida in the fall, it experienced a
couple of relatively minor problems during the trip south that didn't
show up during the "shakedown" period. Becoming familiar with the
systems on your boat and engines is very important because a warranty
doesn't do you much good while cruising off shore or away from your
friendly dealer.

One issue with the Navigator that I discovered had to do with the high
pressure fuel lines used on the Volvo diesels. I learned about it from a
fellow boater that I met in a port we visited who also had the same
engines and had received a notice from the manufacturer regarding the
problem and the fix. It had to do with vibration in the high pressure
fuel lines causing metal fatigue at one of the fittings. A failure of
the fitting would cause a very messy situation with diesel fuel being
sprayed all over the engine compartment. The fix was simple but I am
glad I learned about it and had some tools to fix it myself. The other
issues were not as serious, but again they needed to be addressed
quickly and without the boat manufacturer or dealer's assistance.

The Egg that I had (for only a couple of years) had a more expensive
repair issue that showed up within a month of taking delivery. It had a
cockpit cooler/freezer that was installed against the salon bulkhead.
During manufacture Egg Harbor forgot to blow insulation between the
freezer and the bulkhead. I noticed one day that the inside wall of the
salon bulkhead and carpeting were wet due to being ice cold and
condensing water vapor.

Egg sent a tech up who fixed and insulated the freezer properly.
The only other issues with that boat was a pre-heat system on one of the
Cat diesels that kept tripping a breaker (fixed by Egg Harbor) and the
Furuno chartplotter that kept locking up. The latter problem was due to
the installer not properly grounding the equipment to the bonding
system. It was an intermittent type problem that was difficult to
diagnose.

Point is, unlike a computer where you can simply call up an English
speaking tech rep to solve a problem, there are occasions on a boat ...
even a brand new one ... that you are going to have to dig in and get
your hands dirty.


Harry's boat came with free "trawler genius" support.

LOL!

On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 08:36:26 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

The idea of spending a lot of time in exotic locations waiting for parts
to fix a broken down old trawler with failing generators, transmissions,
et cetera, has little appeal to me.

It's for sure that 'sitting on the hard' will be much easier on the generator, transmissions, et
cetera. You really should crank those Volvo diesels up every couple of years, just to move the oil
around.

And, if you're in an exotic location, what the hell's wrong with spending some time there while
waiting for a new generator to arrive? Sounds ideal to me....planned that way, maybe, eh?



You seem to think that what might appeal to you is of universal appeal.
Oh, and typically, you're not waiting for a new generator to arrive,
you're waiting for a part on your existing generator to arrive.

I get a kick out of you "full-time retirees." You've got nothing of
consequence to do all day long, all week long, all month long, so you
have to find a zillion little hobbies to fill out your dance card. Golf,
model airplanes, RV'ing, firearms, motorcycling, bluegrass festivals,
guitars. What's next, line dancing?

===

Those grapes must really be sour this morning.

On 3/11/14, 9:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/11/2014 8:23 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:56:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/11/14, 7:48 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:17:40 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:02:48 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:

BTW Harry, why would you of all people want to hang around a
'right-wing pigpen?"

===

Every once in a while he gets to hear about real boats.

Well, he's not interested in hearing about your trawler. It's too
slow, and there's no way he'd
spend all that time getting from one place to another. Of course,
he is pretty quick on his Ducati
superbike.

===

I guess we shouldn't tell him that slow trawlers are an excellent
platform for viewing skimpy bikinis in exotic locations. Of course
even a slow trawler is faster than an imaginary Ducati.


His trawler isn't slow. Remember, it's got twin Volvo diesels -
probably turbocharged - to get him
to Florida at 727 speed.



The idea of spending a lot of time in exotic locations waiting for parts
to fix a broken down old trawler with failing generators, transmissions,
et cetera, has little appeal to me.

It's for sure that 'sitting on the hard' will be much easier on the
generator, transmissions, et
cetera. You really should crank those Volvo diesels up every couple of
years, just to move the oil
around.

And, if you're in an exotic location, what the hell's wrong with
spending some time there while
waiting for a new generator to arrive? Sounds ideal to me....planned
that way, maybe, eh?



A new boat is not a guarantee that you aren't going to have issues or
breakdowns that you may be required to address yourself while underway.

That's true, but so far maintenance has been minor, with no issues that
left us stuck anywhere.

On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 11:20:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

That's true, but so far maintenance has been minor, with no issues that
left us stuck anywhere.

===

How do the IRS and your creditors feel about this alleged boat?