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Well, no wonder the Righties like Putin's toughness and decisiveness.
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 01:05:42 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:40:03 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 3/10/14, 9:28 PM, wrote: You certainly have posted things here that align you far closer with the Viet Cong than the United States but that is not the analogy I was making. The expansion of the original occupation of Palestine is as close to "Lebensraum" as anything Putin is doing in Crimea. They have continuously occupied the Crimea since long before the war of that name. The "original" occupation of what is now Israel predates the Muslim religion. Telling a lie over and over does not make it true. The Europeans who moved into Palestine since 1948 would have to go back 10 generations or more to find a single ancestor who lived there before. Some if not most never had one. The dirtiest hands in the Vietnam fiasco belong to the French and the United States, and the hands were dirtied long before our serious, direct military involvement in that country. Perhaps but there were certainly plenty of South Vietnamese who did not want to be ruled by the North. They wanted closer ties to the west and less influence by the northern communists. Was it worth 56000 American lives? Probably not but the Vietnamese death toll was going to be a huge number either way. The communists killed more people in Vietnam and Cambodia after we left than died during the whole 10 years of the war. That last sentence is worth repeating, "The communists killed more people in Vietnam and Cambodia after we left than died during the whole 10 years of the war." But that matters naught. To the eyes of FOAD, the Communists are the good guys and the Americans are the bad. Always. |
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#13
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Well, no wonder the Righties like Putin's toughness and decisiveness.
On 3/11/14, 7:45 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 01:05:42 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:40:03 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 3/10/14, 9:28 PM, wrote: You certainly have posted things here that align you far closer with the Viet Cong than the United States but that is not the analogy I was making. The expansion of the original occupation of Palestine is as close to "Lebensraum" as anything Putin is doing in Crimea. They have continuously occupied the Crimea since long before the war of that name. The "original" occupation of what is now Israel predates the Muslim religion. Telling a lie over and over does not make it true. The Europeans who moved into Palestine since 1948 would have to go back 10 generations or more to find a single ancestor who lived there before. Some if not most never had one. The dirtiest hands in the Vietnam fiasco belong to the French and the United States, and the hands were dirtied long before our serious, direct military involvement in that country. Perhaps but there were certainly plenty of South Vietnamese who did not want to be ruled by the North. They wanted closer ties to the west and less influence by the northern communists. Was it worth 56000 American lives? Probably not but the Vietnamese death toll was going to be a huge number either way. The communists killed more people in Vietnam and Cambodia after we left than died during the whole 10 years of the war. That last sentence is worth repeating, "The communists killed more people in Vietnam and Cambodia after we left than died during the whole 10 years of the war." But that matters naught. To the eyes of FOAD, the Communists are the good guys and the Americans are the bad. Always. That's just another of your really dumbed-down opinions, as is the opinion that the Commies would have engaged in the slaughter they did if the Americans had not invaded. |
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#14
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Well, no wonder the Righties like Putin's toughness and decisiveness.
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Well, no wonder the Righties like Putin's toughness and decisiveness.
On 3/11/14, 12:28 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 06:54:11 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 3/11/14, 1:05 AM, wrote: On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:40:03 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 3/10/14, 9:28 PM, wrote: You certainly have posted things here that align you far closer with the Viet Cong than the United States but that is not the analogy I was making. The expansion of the original occupation of Palestine is as close to "Lebensraum" as anything Putin is doing in Crimea. They have continuously occupied the Crimea since long before the war of that name. The "original" occupation of what is now Israel predates the Muslim religion. Telling a lie over and over does not make it true. The Europeans who moved into Palestine since 1948 would have to go back 10 generations or more to find a single ancestor who lived there before. Some if not most never had one. What lie? The Jews were in that land long before the Muslim religion existed. Some Jews but not THOSE Jews. Oh, and you think the Arabs who left the new state of Israel in 1948 are the same Arabs who are terrorists there today? |
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#16
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Well, no wonder the Righties like Putin's toughness and decisiveness.
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#17
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Well, no wonder the Righties like Putin's toughness and decisiveness.
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 12:14:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/11/14, 1:05 AM, wrote: The "original" occupation of what is now Israel predates the Muslim religion. Telling a lie over and over does not make it true. The Europeans who moved into Palestine since 1948 would have to go back 10 generations or more to find a single ancestor who lived there before. Some if not most never had one. Everyone expects the Israeli Jews to be the only real Christians in this world. The United States decimated the population on this continent that was here before the white Europeans. Poland, Russia, Czechoslovakia tossed out millions of people. Indonesia pushed out millions of Chinese. No one says anything much about these refugees. But when you discuss Israel, to you the displaced Arabs become eternal. The Israelis have treated the Arabs in their midst far better than the United States has treated the people who were here before them, and better than the "conquering" Europeans treated the populations of South America and Central America. That damn United States. I can understand your desire to remove your presence from that country. It must be sheer hell having to tell the folks you meet in your extensive travels that you are from the United States. Why not move to Liberia, or someplace you'll be appreciated. |
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#18
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Well, no wonder the Righties like Putin's toughness and decisiveness.
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 13:02:32 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/11/14, 12:31 PM, wrote: On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:54:29 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: That's just another of your really dumbed-down opinions, as is the opinion that the Commies would have engaged in the slaughter they did if the Americans had not invaded. There are plenty of examples of genocide and wide spread massacre in places where we have never intervened. And plenty where we did intervene, even right here in the good old US of A. Does it make you feel torn up inside to be living and prospering in a country you despise so much? I think if I were in your shoes I'd rebel - like not pay my federal taxes or something. |
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#19
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Well, no wonder the Righties like Putin's toughness and decisiveness.
On 3/11/14, 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 12:14:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 3/11/14, 1:05 AM, wrote: The "original" occupation of what is now Israel predates the Muslim religion. Telling a lie over and over does not make it true. The Europeans who moved into Palestine since 1948 would have to go back 10 generations or more to find a single ancestor who lived there before. Some if not most never had one. Everyone expects the Israeli Jews to be the only real Christians in this world. The United States decimated the population on this continent that was here before the white Europeans. Poland, Russia, Czechoslovakia tossed out millions of people. Indonesia pushed out millions of Chinese. No one says anything much about these refugees. But when you discuss Israel, to you the displaced Arabs become eternal. The Israelis have treated the Arabs in their midst far better than the United States has treated the people who were here before them, and better than the "conquering" Europeans treated the populations of South America and Central America. So you are saying that what the Israelis are doing in the 21st century is OK because 18th century Europeans were pricks. It is simply the last war of European conquest 50 years after everyone else abandoned their colonies. The European Jews had a valid beef against the Germans and the Vichy French but that was no reason to take it out on Palestine. It's not just 18th Century and earlier Europeans in Central and South America. It was 20th Century Europeans in Africa, Asia, and the Middle East, too, and 18th, 19th, and 20th Century Americans in the United States against native Americans, blacks, Latino, Jews, and many other minority groups. It's interesting that you only seem to find fault with the Israeli Jews. |
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#20
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Well, no wonder the Righties like Putin's toughness and decisiveness.
On 3/11/14, 3:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 12:36:49 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 3/11/14, 12:28 PM, wrote: What lie? The Jews were in that land long before the Muslim religion existed. Some Jews but not THOSE Jews. Oh, and you think the Arabs who left the new state of Israel in 1948 are the same Arabs who are terrorists there today? The 911 terrorists were mostly Saudi and that was supposed to be a response to our troops in Saudi Arabia but we would not be there if we were not propping up Israel. If this was just about oil, we would not give a **** which camel jockey we were buying it from, Saddam, the Saudis or the kuwaiti royal family. We are just there insuring the people we deal with will ignore Israel. Unfortunately we are losing the power to do that and still keep the mirage of supporting democracy. For that matter, the only way Israel can call itself a democracy is to suppress the vote of the Palestinians. Voter suppression, I thought you were against that. I wasn't talking about the Saudi 9/11 terrorists. I was talking about the Palestinian terrorists. As for the Palestinians, even their Arab sponsors in adjacent lands don't want them. You know why? |
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