On 3/13/2014 7:56 PM, Earl wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/12/14, 7:38 PM, KC wrote:

Showing me how I could turn out if I let it get to me, showing me that
sitting around bitching about everybody (all the time not fooling
anybody) else and what they do, won't get me there.... Gotta' admit. I
think I have had some bad breaks but I ain't ready to give up yet... I
don't want to be like our friend from maryland as I get older and less
able like he is...


Less able? No one I know in the real world is *less able* than you
are. Hell, man, you've never been able to hang onto a real job anywhere.

I do wish you success with your web design business...just make sure
potential clients don't consider proper use of the English language
that important.


I am really not too worried harry... If there were any real issues left
one of the others here would chime in. I am sure your "observations"
here on this matter are no more informed than your opinion on the
software I used to draw the site Your opinion harry, really is
completely useless, and uninvited, but at the same time completely
predictable and expected... You are just a worthless little piece of
****, not worth the time folks here give you.




"I'm just trying to fit in as much as my digestive track allows with the
right-wing slime whose almost entire reason for existence here is to
ridicule, mock, and taunt."

On 3/13/14, 8:14 PM, KC wrote:

F*O*A*D wrote:

Less able? No one I know in the real world is *less able* than you
are. Hell, man, you've never been able to hang onto a real job anywhere.

I do wish you success with your web design business...just make sure
potential clients don't consider proper use of the English language
that important.


I am really not too worried harry... If there were any real issues left
one of the others here would chime in. I am sure your "observations"
here on this matter are no more informed than your opinion on the
software I used to draw the site Your opinion harry, really is
completely useless, and uninvited, but at the same time completely
predictable and expected... You are just a worthless little piece of
****, not worth the time folks here give you.

Your web page, unless you've changed it drastically since you last
posted the URL, has a good number of grammar errors and style
inconsistencies. I did not look close enough to see if there were
spelling errors, too. That you don't see any of these is not surprising,
and since your client's native language isn't English, he isn't likely
to notice, either. If I were in your shoes and trying to pass myself off
as a professional-level web guy, I'd find someone who has
professional-level knowledge of "English as she is written," because you
don't have such knowledge.

On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:40:11 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/13/14, 8:14 PM, KC wrote:

F*O*A*D wrote:

Less able? No one I know in the real world is *less able* than you
are. Hell, man, you've never been able to hang onto a real job anywhere.

I do wish you success with your web design business...just make sure
potential clients don't consider proper use of the English language
that important.


I am really not too worried harry... If there were any real issues left
one of the others here would chime in. I am sure your "observations"
here on this matter are no more informed than your opinion on the
software I used to draw the site Your opinion harry, really is
completely useless, and uninvited, but at the same time completely
predictable and expected... You are just a worthless little piece of
****, not worth the time folks here give you.

Your web page, unless you've changed it drastically since you last
posted the URL, has a good number of grammar errors and style
inconsistencies. I did not look close enough to see if there were
spelling errors, too. That you don't see any of these is not surprising,
and since your client's native language isn't English, he isn't likely
to notice, either. If I were in your shoes and trying to pass myself off
as a professional-level web guy, I'd find someone who has
professional-level knowledge of "English as she is written," because you
don't have such knowledge.

===

Style inconsistencies are *extremely* important to a guy who has a
tree that needs to come down.

On 3/13/2014 8:55 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:40:11 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/13/14, 8:14 PM, KC wrote:

F*O*A*D wrote:

Less able? No one I know in the real world is *less able* than you
are. Hell, man, you've never been able to hang onto a real job anywhere.

I do wish you success with your web design business...just make sure
potential clients don't consider proper use of the English language
that important.


I am really not too worried harry... If there were any real issues left
one of the others here would chime in. I am sure your "observations"
here on this matter are no more informed than your opinion on the
software I used to draw the site Your opinion harry, really is
completely useless, and uninvited, but at the same time completely
predictable and expected... You are just a worthless little piece of
****, not worth the time folks here give you.

Your web page, unless you've changed it drastically since you last
posted the URL, has a good number of grammar errors and style
inconsistencies. I did not look close enough to see if there were
spelling errors, too. That you don't see any of these is not surprising,
and since your client's native language isn't English, he isn't likely
to notice, either. If I were in your shoes and trying to pass myself off
as a professional-level web guy, I'd find someone who has
professional-level knowledge of "English as she is written," because you
don't have such knowledge.

===

Style inconsistencies are *extremely* important to a guy who has a
tree that needs to come down.


harry not understanding that it doesn't matter what my ESL customer
thinks, it's what the folks coming to spend money at his business
think... it's not hard to see why he has two bankruptcies

I took a similar approach (sell the sizzle) with a little website called
smallboats.com about 15 years ago. The style went over well with folks
"feeling like they know me" after reading the site, and sending me
thousands of dollars from hundreds of miles away, for a boat I was to
build for them in the future....

I still get all the emails sent to them cc to me from testing the site
and such. They are getting a great response but I have to add more
"firewood" to the front page now so I am going to fit in a seasonal area
there somewhere eventually... but I have seen no complaints really other
than that. I am looking at simplifying the front page at some point but
the customer likes it so far so.......

On 3/13/2014 8:55 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:40:11 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/13/14, 8:14 PM, KC wrote:

F*O*A*D wrote:

Less able? No one I know in the real world is *less able* than you
are. Hell, man, you've never been able to hang onto a real job anywhere.

I do wish you success with your web design business...just make sure
potential clients don't consider proper use of the English language
that important.


I am really not too worried harry... If there were any real issues left
one of the others here would chime in. I am sure your "observations"
here on this matter are no more informed than your opinion on the
software I used to draw the site Your opinion harry, really is
completely useless, and uninvited, but at the same time completely
predictable and expected... You are just a worthless little piece of
****, not worth the time folks here give you.

Your web page, unless you've changed it drastically since you last
posted the URL, has a good number of grammar errors and style
inconsistencies. I did not look close enough to see if there were
spelling errors, too. That you don't see any of these is not surprising,
and since your client's native language isn't English, he isn't likely
to notice, either. If I were in your shoes and trying to pass myself off
as a professional-level web guy, I'd find someone who has
professional-level knowledge of "English as she is written," because you
don't have such knowledge.

===

Style inconsistencies are *extremely* important to a guy who has a
tree that needs to come down.


One thing I did for instance was move the video that used to come up on
what would probably be the first picture folks might click on.. After
hearing Dicks CC, I decided that having a vid load first might be
offputting so I put it deeper into the site. Hopefully now the first
thing folks see, "isn't" a "please wait for video" note

See Dick, I'm listening

On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 21:59:23 -0400, KC wrote:

Your web page, unless you've changed it drastically since you last
posted the URL, has a good number of grammar errors and style
inconsistencies. I did not look close enough to see if there were
spelling errors, too. That you don't see any of these is not surprising,
and since your client's native language isn't English, he isn't likely
to notice, either. If I were in your shoes and trying to pass myself off
as a professional-level web guy, I'd find someone who has
professional-level knowledge of "English as she is written," because you
don't have such knowledge.

===

Style inconsistencies are *extremely* important to a guy who has a
tree that needs to come down.


One thing I did for instance was move the video that used to come up on
what would probably be the first picture folks might click on.. After
hearing Dicks CC, I decided that having a vid load first might be
offputting so I put it deeper into the site. Hopefully now the first
thing folks see, "isn't" a "please wait for video" note

See Dick, I'm listening

===

He knows of what he speaks.

On 3/14/2014 12:55 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 21:59:23 -0400, KC wrote:

Your web page, unless you've changed it drastically since you last
posted the URL, has a good number of grammar errors and style
inconsistencies. I did not look close enough to see if there were
spelling errors, too. That you don't see any of these is not surprising,
and since your client's native language isn't English, he isn't likely
to notice, either. If I were in your shoes and trying to pass myself off
as a professional-level web guy, I'd find someone who has
professional-level knowledge of "English as she is written," because you
don't have such knowledge.

===

Style inconsistencies are *extremely* important to a guy who has a
tree that needs to come down.


One thing I did for instance was move the video that used to come up on
what would probably be the first picture folks might click on.. After
hearing Dicks CC, I decided that having a vid load first might be
offputting so I put it deeper into the site. Hopefully now the first
thing folks see, "isn't" a "please wait for video" note

See Dick, I'm listening

===

He knows of what he speaks.


Not really. My comments on Scott's website were just based on my
initial reaction to it, putting myself in a prospective customer's frame
of mind.

I've created a few websites in the past but nothing as fancy as what
Scott is putting together. I did the original one for the company I had
but then had a professional service redo it once the business started to
grow. It was mainly due to the clientele who would be viewing it who
were mostly big, major corporations. I wrote the script but the
service added the pictures, artwork and determined the format in which
the information was presented. The early drafts were getting too busy
and complex but the final version was made more simple and easy to navigate.

The goofy website I created for the guitar shop was (and remains) about
as simple as they come. At one point (about 3 years ago) I created a
much "fancier" one that had flash presentations, music and a more
complex path to follow for information. The customer base the shop had
immediately started complaining. They liked the original, simple to
navigate format. So, after a month of testing the new one, I went back
to the original. I don't maintain it anymore, but neither I or Rick who
now maintains it ever worry too much about grammar errors and style
inconsistencies. We are not trying to sell guitars to English majors.
Both he and I try to spell things correctly but an occasional goof or
typo doesn't seem to bother anyone. I've never heard anyone complain
about a misspelled word. The only complaints were when I tried to make
it too fancy and it became more difficult to navigate.

It still averages over 10,000 "hits" per month which is incredible when
one considers the size of the shop.

I think website owners are often more impressed with the their websites
than the people who visit them are and tend to over-do it with glitz and
fanciness. Understandable, but if the intent is to sell items or a
service, the information presented should be easy to view and fast to
acquire.

The other thing is that physiologically a complex website that is too
"busy" and full of flash presentations and glitz suggests $$$$ IMO.
Simple suggests affordable. People don't want to be immediately
intimidated when first introduced to a company or service. They want to
feel comfortable and welcome.

Overall I think Scott has done a great job in responding to his client's
desires and requests. Time will tell if it is effective in terms of
selling the services they provide.

Just my opinion.

On 3/14/14, 1:47 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
We are not trying to sell guitars to English majors.


More advocacy for the dumbing down of 'Merica and 'Mericans.

Fortunately, the clients for the handful of websites I design and
maintain are sticklers for proper English. This forum, wrecked.boats, is
the appropriate outlet for trash talk and careless, trashy use of language.

On 3/14/2014 8:22 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 1:47 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
We are not trying to sell guitars to English majors.


More advocacy for the dumbing down of 'Merica and 'Mericans.

Fortunately, the clients for the handful of websites I design and
maintain are sticklers for proper English. This forum, wrecked.boats, is
the appropriate outlet for trash talk and careless, trashy use of language.


Nothing to do with the dumbing down of anybody. The idea is to get a
message across using fundamentally understandable and acceptable
language and structure.

I was more interested in being awarded a $800K contract for a thin film
deposition system or handed a check for $1,700 for a guitar than
receiving an "A" for using proper grammar or sentence structure.

On 3/14/14, 9:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/14/2014 8:22 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 1:47 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
We are not trying to sell guitars to English majors.


More advocacy for the dumbing down of 'Merica and 'Mericans.

Fortunately, the clients for the handful of websites I design and
maintain are sticklers for proper English. This forum, wrecked.boats, is
the appropriate outlet for trash talk and careless, trashy use of
language.


Nothing to do with the dumbing down of anybody. The idea is to get a
message across using fundamentally understandable and acceptable
language and structure.

I was more interested in being awarded a $800K contract for a thin film
deposition system or handed a check for $1,700 for a guitar than
receiving an "A" for using proper grammar or sentence structure.





And that attitude - the acceptance of substandard English - contributes
to the dumbing down of 'Merica.