.... when it's all said and done unfortunately the one reason that stands
out most about that missing plane going to 45,000 feet for a few was to
make sure they didn't have another Pennsylvania scenario where the
passengers took over the plane. I heard a flight captain say if they
went to 45,000 and dumped the cabin pressure, the folks would pass out
in three seconds, and die in minutes.. while the captain and the
hijackers wore masks???

On 3/15/2014 7:43 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 18:53:10 -0400, KC wrote:

... when it's all said and done unfortunately the one reason that stands
out most about that missing plane going to 45,000 feet for a few was to
make sure they didn't have another Pennsylvania scenario where the
passengers took over the plane. I heard a flight captain say if they
went to 45,000 and dumped the cabin pressure, the folks would pass out
in three seconds, and die in minutes.. while the captain and the
hijackers wore masks???

II have heard that a lot too. If nothing else they will stop pounding
on the cockpit door and be going back to their seats for the drop
down cups but they are only going to last 10 minutes or so, then they
die quietly in their seat.

One scenario that makes a little sense is that they were originally
headed for Mogadishu or some other African **** hole as a ransom
attempt. That is what the original path after the transponder went
off.
Then they may have had an insurrection in the cabin, they started
doing those strange maneuvers to quell the riot and without their
hostages they went somewhere else. One of the "stans" is a possibility
but I would still bet money they are at the bottom of the Indian
Ocean.

The CVR would certainly answer a lot of these questions. Of particular
interest might be what they were telling the passengers.
They could keep the ruse that there was a problem and they were
heading to another airport ... until they passed the Malaysian coast
and headed into the Indian Ocean. That was when things got screwy.
Did they remember to turn off the seat back flight tracker? How many
phone GPS units will work on a plane?



I was wondering about the cell phone GPS also. Seems like if they
landed someplace at least some phones would be pinging their location,
even if the passengers were dead. If the plane is on the ocean floor,
that's another story.

On 3/15/2014 7:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/15/2014 7:43 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 18:53:10 -0400, KC wrote:

... when it's all said and done unfortunately the one reason that stands
out most about that missing plane going to 45,000 feet for a few was to
make sure they didn't have another Pennsylvania scenario where the
passengers took over the plane. I heard a flight captain say if they
went to 45,000 and dumped the cabin pressure, the folks would pass out
in three seconds, and die in minutes.. while the captain and the
hijackers wore masks???

II have heard that a lot too. If nothing else they will stop pounding
on the cockpit door and be going back to their seats for the drop
down cups but they are only going to last 10 minutes or so, then they
die quietly in their seat.

One scenario that makes a little sense is that they were originally
headed for Mogadishu or some other African **** hole as a ransom
attempt. That is what the original path after the transponder went
off.
Then they may have had an insurrection in the cabin, they started
doing those strange maneuvers to quell the riot and without their
hostages they went somewhere else. One of the "stans" is a possibility
but I would still bet money they are at the bottom of the Indian
Ocean.

The CVR would certainly answer a lot of these questions. Of particular
interest might be what they were telling the passengers.
They could keep the ruse that there was a problem and they were
heading to another airport ... until they passed the Malaysian coast
and headed into the Indian Ocean. That was when things got screwy.
Did they remember to turn off the seat back flight tracker? How many
phone GPS units will work on a plane?



I was wondering about the cell phone GPS also. Seems like if they
landed someplace at least some phones would be pinging their location,
even if the passengers were dead. If the plane is on the ocean floor,
that's another story.



Got a point there.. but my guess again is that they having had a long
time to prepare since 911, eliminated the only obstacle they ran into
that day..

wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 19:54:49 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/15/2014 7:43 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 18:53:10 -0400, KC wrote:

... when it's all said and done unfortunately the one reason that stands
out most about that missing plane going to 45,000 feet for a few was to
make sure they didn't have another Pennsylvania scenario where the
passengers took over the plane. I heard a flight captain say if they
went to 45,000 and dumped the cabin pressure, the folks would pass out
in three seconds, and die in minutes.. while the captain and the
hijackers wore masks???
II have heard that a lot too. If nothing else they will stop pounding
on the cockpit door and be going back to their seats for the drop
down cups but they are only going to last 10 minutes or so, then they
die quietly in their seat.

One scenario that makes a little sense is that they were originally
headed for Mogadishu or some other African **** hole as a ransom
attempt. That is what the original path after the transponder went
off.
Then they may have had an insurrection in the cabin, they started
doing those strange maneuvers to quell the riot and without their
hostages they went somewhere else. One of the "stans" is a possibility
but I would still bet money they are at the bottom of the Indian
Ocean.

The CVR would certainly answer a lot of these questions. Of particular
interest might be what they were telling the passengers.
They could keep the ruse that there was a problem and they were
heading to another airport ... until they passed the Malaysian coast
and headed into the Indian Ocean. That was when things got screwy.
Did they remember to turn off the seat back flight tracker? How many
phone GPS units will work on a plane?


I was wondering about the cell phone GPS also. Seems like if they
landed someplace at least some phones would be pinging their location,
even if the passengers were dead. If the plane is on the ocean floor,
that's another story.

That all gets back to the "ringing" phones. There should be a phone
company somewhere that can say if they were being pinged by these
phones if they were.
If they were reporting active roaming to a real phone company they
should be able to track that down.
It certainly pops on your bill.

The batteries are long dead by now tho.

They were likely over the open ocean with their phones off or in
airplane mode. There's not a good chance of any mobile phone records
helping.