On 5/21/14, 11:58 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 08:29:35 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:18:33 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/20/14, 9:14 PM, wrote:

It takes longer to load a speed loader than it takes to load the gun.
If there is nobody shooting at you, why bother?

I told you...for "play."

You shouldn't play with guns, or their accoutrements.

You don't like SA's because they are too fiddly, but you "play" (fiddle) around with speed loaders?

Strange.

Speed loaders were promoted in the 60s and 70s as a way to prolong the
life of aging revolver technology in police departments. The
perception was advanced that these were as effective as a box
magazine. It never really caught on and as the power and effectiveness
of the moldy old 9mm round got better, the familiar old "police .38"
went the way of the horse drawn paddy wagon.
Unfortunately the thing that allowed cops to carry a 6 shooter for 100
years, marksmanship, went along with it. Now cops with double stack
9's just spray and pray, usually missing with more rounds than hit the
intended target. That is how 10 bystanders get hit trying to shoot one
gunman and unarmed people get shot 41 times (out of close to 70 rounds
fired)



JackOff still posts here?

Yes, JackOff, I find SA revolvers "fiddly" to load and unload with that
damned loading gate and having to push the plunger every time to get
each piece of brass out.

I don't have any trouble loading a cylinder with a speed loader, despite
my comments about unloading the empties into a plastic box while loading
the chambers at nearly the same time with a speed loader.

My thoughts about "carry" are evolving. I have no objection to concealed
carry generally, but I now think those who do should have to demonstrate
serious proficiency with a handgun and pass a serious psychological
exam. I've read the comments of too many retarded hotheads on gun
discussion boards to think that anyone who can fog a mirror should be
able to "carry."

We have a couple of bat**** crazy posters right here in rec.boats who
shouldn't be allowed near hand tools, let alone a concealed handgun.

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:11:20 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/21/14, 11:58 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 08:29:35 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:18:33 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/20/14, 9:14 PM, wrote:

It takes longer to load a speed loader than it takes to load the gun.
If there is nobody shooting at you, why bother?

I told you...for "play."

You shouldn't play with guns, or their accoutrements.

You don't like SA's because they are too fiddly, but you "play" (fiddle) around with speed loaders?

Strange.

Speed loaders were promoted in the 60s and 70s as a way to prolong the
life of aging revolver technology in police departments. The
perception was advanced that these were as effective as a box
magazine. It never really caught on and as the power and effectiveness
of the moldy old 9mm round got better, the familiar old "police .38"
went the way of the horse drawn paddy wagon.
Unfortunately the thing that allowed cops to carry a 6 shooter for 100
years, marksmanship, went along with it. Now cops with double stack
9's just spray and pray, usually missing with more rounds than hit the
intended target. That is how 10 bystanders get hit trying to shoot one
gunman and unarmed people get shot 41 times (out of close to 70 rounds
fired)



JackOff still posts here?

Yes, JackOff, I find SA revolvers "fiddly" to load and unload with that
damned loading gate and having to push the plunger every time to get
each piece of brass out.

I don't have any trouble loading a cylinder with a speed loader, despite
my comments about unloading the empties into a plastic box while loading
the chambers at nearly the same time with a speed loader.

My thoughts about "carry" are evolving. I have no objection to concealed
carry generally, but I now think those who do should have to demonstrate
serious proficiency with a handgun and pass a serious psychological
exam. I've read the comments of too many retarded hotheads on gun
discussion boards to think that anyone who can fog a mirror should be
able to "carry."

We have a couple of bat**** crazy posters right here in rec.boats who
shouldn't be allowed near hand tools, let alone a concealed handgun.

We had a kid with mental problems shoot up a cafe in Seattle a couple
of years ago. I don't recall how many died and how many lives were
shattered as a result.

He had a CCP and his father pleaded with authorities to revoke it. The
state wouldn't since the son hadn't been committed. He'd demonstrated
poor judgement and a furious temper and had been acting erratically
but there was nothing the state could do and he hadn't gone far enough
to be committed.

Someone nixed him from the cafe for his irrational borderline behavior
and he went off.

Sensible gun control laws will never be written. We'll just keep
having more incidents like Cafe Racer where innocents are gunned down
by "lawful gun owners," ...until they're not.

On Wed, 21 May 2014 09:28:42 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:11:20 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/21/14, 11:58 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 08:29:35 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:18:33 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/20/14, 9:14 PM, wrote:

It takes longer to load a speed loader than it takes to load the gun.
If there is nobody shooting at you, why bother?

I told you...for "play."

You shouldn't play with guns, or their accoutrements.

You don't like SA's because they are too fiddly, but you "play" (fiddle) around with speed loaders?

Strange.

Speed loaders were promoted in the 60s and 70s as a way to prolong the
life of aging revolver technology in police departments. The
perception was advanced that these were as effective as a box
magazine. It never really caught on and as the power and effectiveness
of the moldy old 9mm round got better, the familiar old "police .38"
went the way of the horse drawn paddy wagon.
Unfortunately the thing that allowed cops to carry a 6 shooter for 100
years, marksmanship, went along with it. Now cops with double stack
9's just spray and pray, usually missing with more rounds than hit the
intended target. That is how 10 bystanders get hit trying to shoot one
gunman and unarmed people get shot 41 times (out of close to 70 rounds
fired)



JackOff still posts here?

Yes, JackOff, I find SA revolvers "fiddly" to load and unload with that
damned loading gate and having to push the plunger every time to get
each piece of brass out.

I don't have any trouble loading a cylinder with a speed loader, despite
my comments about unloading the empties into a plastic box while loading
the chambers at nearly the same time with a speed loader.

My thoughts about "carry" are evolving. I have no objection to concealed
carry generally, but I now think those who do should have to demonstrate
serious proficiency with a handgun and pass a serious psychological
exam. I've read the comments of too many retarded hotheads on gun
discussion boards to think that anyone who can fog a mirror should be
able to "carry."

We have a couple of bat**** crazy posters right here in rec.boats who
shouldn't be allowed near hand tools, let alone a concealed handgun.

We had a kid with mental problems shoot up a cafe in Seattle a couple
of years ago. I don't recall how many died and how many lives were
shattered as a result.

He had a CCP and his father pleaded with authorities to revoke it. The
state wouldn't since the son hadn't been committed. He'd demonstrated
poor judgement and a furious temper and had been acting erratically
but there was nothing the state could do and he hadn't gone far enough
to be committed.

Someone nixed him from the cafe for his irrational borderline behavior
and he went off.

Sensible gun control laws will never be written. We'll just keep
having more incidents like Cafe Racer where innocents are gunned down
by "lawful gun owners," ...until they're not.

Sensible gun control laws are all over the books. Look at Chicago and tell me how well they're
enforced.

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:46 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:45:51 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

Sensible gun control laws will never be written. We'll just keep
having more incidents like Cafe Racer where innocents are gunned down
by "lawful gun owners," ...until they're not.

Sensible gun control laws are all over the books. Look at Chicago and tell me how well they're
enforced.

I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.

I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

What a hell of an idea!

If he commented on the blacks killing blacks in Chicago and elsewhere, he'd be a 'racist', so he's
got to go with the best he can come up with.

For each of his little stories, I can find several where guns saved the day for other folks. Never a
comment from him on those.

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:46 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:45:51 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

Sensible gun control laws will never be written. We'll just keep
having more incidents like Cafe Racer where innocents are gunned down
by "lawful gun owners," ...until they're not.

Sensible gun control laws are all over the books. Look at Chicago and tell me how well they're
enforced.

I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.

I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people. Cite please.

Guns being sold in massive quantities without controlled distribution
and stuipd owners who do not lock them up is half the reason why it's
so easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun.

Most of them are stolen from "legal gun owners" from what I
understand.

On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:11:20 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:

I told you...for "play."

You shouldn't play with guns, or their accoutrements.


Yes, JackOff, I find SA revolvers "fiddly" to load and unload with that
damned loading gate and having to push the plunger every time to get
each piece of brass out.

Poor harold, still stuck with his lame attempts at 7th grade insults.

I find no issues with ejecting brass from a SA. If you use good quality loads in a properly maintained revolver, most will fall out without even using the ejector. I do realize that when you get older, your dexterity starts to fail. Perhaps you'd do better with a less demanding hobby... maybe stamp collecting.

In article ,
says...

I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.


hehe. "Illegal gun owners." How many were "legal gun owners" before
they pulled the trigger?
What is the percentage of domestic violence gun homicides of the total?
Traffic altercations? Blah blah.
Wonder how much more likely a "legal" gun owner is put a couple rounds
in the spouse. Course they could use a knife, but they'd probably get
their hands all bloody.

I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

I read a stat that a gun owner is 6 times more likely to commit suicide.
So the gov doesn't need to ban guns. Darwin will take care of it.
Slowly.

On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:

I read a stat that a gun owner is 6 times more likely to commit suicide.
So the gov doesn't need to ban guns. Darwin will take care of it.
Slowly.

Pssst. Wanna hear a secret? Many people bent on suicide *become* gun owners.

Sorta screws up that "stat" you read.

By hey, it's cleaner than them driving down the *exit* ramp of the local freeway, eh?

On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:17:35 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:46 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:45:51 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

Sensible gun control laws will never be written. We'll just keep
having more incidents like Cafe Racer where innocents are gunned down
by "lawful gun owners," ...until they're not.

Sensible gun control laws are all over the books. Look at Chicago and tell me how well they're
enforced.

I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.

I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people. Cite please.

Guns being sold in massive quantities without controlled distribution
and stuipd owners who do not lock them up is half the reason why it's
so easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun.

Most of them are stolen from "legal gun owners" from what I
understand.

Your 'understanding' is bull****. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics firearms possessed
by prison inmates at the time of offense only about 9.1% in 1994 and 7.5% in 2004 were acquired from
theft or burglary. That's a far cry from your 'most' claim. Next tell me that prison inmates aren't
representative of the population committing murders. In 2004 more than 25% of the firearms acquired
by these folks came from drug dealers or others on 'the street'.

Be sure and pass on to your buddy, Krause the gun nut in BAO's opinion, that in both years less than
1% of those folks acquired their guns from gun shows.

Do you ever feel like you're just full of ****?

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:29:07 -0500, Boating All Out wrote:

In article ,
says...

I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.


hehe. "Illegal gun owners." How many were "legal gun owners" before
they pulled the trigger?
What is the percentage of domestic violence gun homicides of the total?
Traffic altercations? Blah blah.
Wonder how much more likely a "legal" gun owner is put a couple rounds
in the spouse. Course they could use a knife, but they'd probably get
their hands all bloody.

I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

I read a stat that a gun owner is 6 times more likely to commit suicide.
So the gov doesn't need to ban guns. Darwin will take care of it.
Slowly.


Then what are you continuously whining about?

Show us your bull**** stat....sounds like something jps made up.