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Yo jps!
On Wed, 21 May 2014 14:48:22 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:17:35 -0700, jps wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:46 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:45:51 -0400, Poquito Loco wrote: Sensible gun control laws will never be written. We'll just keep having more incidents like Cafe Racer where innocents are gunned down by "lawful gun owners," ...until they're not. Sensible gun control laws are all over the books. Look at Chicago and tell me how well they're enforced. I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year. Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws. I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on drugs. Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ... problem solved. 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people. Cite please. Guns being sold in massive quantities without controlled distribution and stuipd owners who do not lock them up is half the reason why it's so easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun. Most of them are stolen from "legal gun owners" from what I understand. Your 'understanding' is bull****. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics firearms possessed by prison inmates at the time of offense only about 9.1% in 1994 and 7.5% in 2004 were acquired from theft or burglary. That's a far cry from your 'most' claim. Next tell me that prison inmates aren't representative of the population committing murders. In 2004 more than 25% of the firearms acquired by these folks came from drug dealers or others on 'the street'. Be sure and pass on to your buddy, Krause the gun nut in BAO's opinion, that in both years less than 1% of those folks acquired their guns from gun shows. Do you ever feel like you're just full of ****? If you wanted to respond to me, perhaps you could have addressed my question. Do you ever answer a question? I asked for a cite about 11,000 gun deaths a year provided by "illegal gun owners." Were they "illegal" before they shot someone or before? Nearly half of gun deaths each year are suicides, should we expect that'll be your fitting end when you've had enough? |
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#22
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#23
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On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:06:49 -0700, jps wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 14:48:22 -0400, Poquito Loco wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:17:35 -0700, jps wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:46 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:45:51 -0400, Poquito Loco wrote: Sensible gun control laws will never be written. We'll just keep having more incidents like Cafe Racer where innocents are gunned down by "lawful gun owners," ...until they're not. Sensible gun control laws are all over the books. Look at Chicago and tell me how well they're enforced. I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year. Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws. I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on drugs. Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ... problem solved. 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people. Cite please. Guns being sold in massive quantities without controlled distribution and stuipd owners who do not lock them up is half the reason why it's so easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun. Most of them are stolen from "legal gun owners" from what I understand. Your 'understanding' is bull****. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics firearms possessed by prison inmates at the time of offense only about 9.1% in 1994 and 7.5% in 2004 were acquired from theft or burglary. That's a far cry from your 'most' claim. Next tell me that prison inmates aren't representative of the population committing murders. In 2004 more than 25% of the firearms acquired by these folks came from drug dealers or others on 'the street'. Be sure and pass on to your buddy, Krause the gun nut in BAO's opinion, that in both years less than 1% of those folks acquired their guns from gun shows. Do you ever feel like you're just full of ****? If you wanted to respond to me, perhaps you could have addressed my question. Do you ever answer a question? I asked for a cite about 11,000 gun deaths a year provided by "illegal gun owners." Perhaps the 11000 was a made up number or perhaps it wasn't. But for sure there were well over 400 shootings in Chicago alone last year. I expect there are a lot in most of the other big cities also. What percent of those folks do you think were 'legal' gun owners? In any case, you didn't ask a question. You said, "Cite please." That's not a question. Were they "illegal" before they shot someone or before? Nearly half of gun deaths each year are suicides, should we expect that'll be your fitting end when you've had enough? Show us the cite for that statistic, would you please? |
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Yo jps!
On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:16:50 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:17:35 -0700, jps wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:46 -0400, wrote: I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year. Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws. I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on drugs. Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ... problem solved. 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people. Cite please. Guns being sold in massive quantities without controlled distribution and stuipd owners who do not lock them up is half the reason why it's so easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun. Most of them are stolen from "legal gun owners" from what I understand. Make up your mind, first you question whether people who committed the murders did them with illegally owned guns, then you say it is just because we made them so easy to steal. You are just swinging in the dark now. Where's your cite? 11,000 murders annually commited by "illegal gun owners" is what I'm looking for. Just tell me where you got that and stop deflecting. |
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#26
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Yo jps!
On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:35:21 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:16:50 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:17:35 -0700, jps wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:46 -0400, wrote: I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year. Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws. I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on drugs. Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ... problem solved. 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people. Cite please. Guns being sold in massive quantities without controlled distribution and stuipd owners who do not lock them up is half the reason why it's so easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun. Most of them are stolen from "legal gun owners" from what I understand. Make up your mind, first you question whether people who committed the murders did them with illegally owned guns, then you say it is just because we made them so easy to steal. You are just swinging in the dark now. And he won't respond to the posts which prove that. Prove what, you silly ass? |
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#27
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#28
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Yo jps!
On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:56:48 -0700, jps wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:26:14 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:29:07 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year. Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws. hehe. "Illegal gun owners." How many were "legal gun owners" before they pulled the trigger? What is the percentage of domestic violence gun homicides of the total? Traffic altercations? Blah blah. Dunno, do you have a valid stat ... and how many were by people who had a legal gun? Wonder how much more likely a "legal" gun owner is put a couple rounds in the spouse. Course they could use a knife, but they'd probably get their hands all bloody. That sounds like the Australian experiment ... and they did just find another way. I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on drugs. Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ... problem solved. I read a stat that a gun owner is 6 times more likely to commit suicide. So the gov doesn't need to ban guns. Darwin will take care of it. Slowly. I bet that stat is actually that a gun owner is 6 times more likely to use a gun to commit suicide than to use another means. Again, the countries with the highest suicide rates have a virtual ban on any private firearm ownership so they just find another way. Bull****. Harvard School of Public Health Study Suicides in the 15 U.S. States with the Highest vs. the 6 U.S. States with the Lowest Average Household Gun Ownership (2000-2002) High-Gun States Low-Gun States Population 39 million 40 million Household Gun Ownership 47% 15% Firearm Suicide 9,749 2,606 Non-Firearm Suicide 5,060 5,446 Total Suicide 14,809 8,052 People in the US didn't "just find another way." How much did you bet? Do you need an address to send it to? So where is the '6 times' bull****? In high gun states, almost twice as many suicides are by firearms. In low gun states twice as many suicides are by non-firearms. So where is the '6 times' bull****? |
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#29
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Yo jps!
On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:47:18 -0700, jps wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:35:21 -0400, Poquito Loco wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:16:50 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:17:35 -0700, jps wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:46 -0400, wrote: I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year. Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws. I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on drugs. Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ... problem solved. 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people. Cite please. Guns being sold in massive quantities without controlled distribution and stuipd owners who do not lock them up is half the reason why it's so easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun. Most of them are stolen from "legal gun owners" from what I understand. Make up your mind, first you question whether people who committed the murders did them with illegally owned guns, then you say it is just because we made them so easy to steal. You are just swinging in the dark now. And he won't respond to the posts which prove that. Prove what, you silly ass? Easy - that you are swinging in the dark. (I won't call you names though.) |
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#30
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Yo jps!
On Wed, 21 May 2014 16:03:50 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:56:48 -0700, jps wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:26:14 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:29:07 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year. Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws. hehe. "Illegal gun owners." How many were "legal gun owners" before they pulled the trigger? What is the percentage of domestic violence gun homicides of the total? Traffic altercations? Blah blah. Dunno, do you have a valid stat ... and how many were by people who had a legal gun? Wonder how much more likely a "legal" gun owner is put a couple rounds in the spouse. Course they could use a knife, but they'd probably get their hands all bloody. That sounds like the Australian experiment ... and they did just find another way. I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on drugs. Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ... problem solved. I read a stat that a gun owner is 6 times more likely to commit suicide. So the gov doesn't need to ban guns. Darwin will take care of it. Slowly. I bet that stat is actually that a gun owner is 6 times more likely to use a gun to commit suicide than to use another means. Again, the countries with the highest suicide rates have a virtual ban on any private firearm ownership so they just find another way. Bull****. Harvard School of Public Health Study Suicides in the 15 U.S. States with the Highest vs. the 6 U.S. States with the Lowest Average Household Gun Ownership (2000-2002) High-Gun States Low-Gun States Population 39 million 40 million Household Gun Ownership 47% 15% Firearm Suicide 9,749 2,606 Non-Firearm Suicide 5,060 5,446 Total Suicide 14,809 8,052 People in the US didn't "just find another way." How much did you bet? Do you need an address to send it to? So where is the '6 times' bull****? In high gun states, almost twice as many suicides are by firearms. In low gun states twice as many suicides are by non-firearms. So where is the '6 times' bull****? Not my quote, why not ask the person who said that. You'd be laughed off the debate floor. |
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