On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 8:23:01 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/5/2014 6:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 8/5/14 6:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 8/5/2014 5:30 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 8/5/14 4:34 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 8/5/2014 2:53 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 8/5/14 12:24 PM, wrote:

On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 12:00:16 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



There's very little "safety net" left in this country. We're so

****ed

up in this country,



Public assistance can easily top $35,000 a year. That is more than

90%

of the world makes, working.



we don't even mandate a modest vacation with pay

each year, as virtually every other modern, civilized nation does.



Mostly the ones who are going broke. Do you really want us to emulate

France and Italy?







1. What's "public assistance" amount to in your neck of the woods

for a

single mom with three dependent kids?



2. No, not "mostly the ones who are going broke." Most modern

civilized

nations have mandated paid vacation periods for private and public

sector workers.



No one has done more since the 1980s to **** over this country than

the

rich.





I don't think anyone has a complaint about a single mom with three

dependent kids collecting assistance. However, there should be (if

there isn't already) a limit to how much assistance she receives based

on the number of kids she has. Hold the fathers responsible and

accountable.



As far as vacations ... the government has no place mandating vacations

in the private work sector. The USA is *not* Europe and to compare our

work culture to European countries isn't meaningful. Every company I

knew of during my working career included paid vacations for full time

employees, BTW.



There are many, many Europeans who have immigrated permanently to the

USA or are here on long term green cards pursuing a career in the

States. I know several and there's a reason they come here.















As I stated, American corporations rule and they are intent on pushing

workers back towards serfdom.



Yawn.







Well, sure, you're one of the 1% and a retiree.





My status, your status and/or anyone elses status is not the point or

the issue. I object to your continuous and broad brush portrait of

"Corporate America" as being the enemy of their employees in terms of

pay, benefits and well-being. There are plenty of examples of companies

who value their employees ... (after all, the company *is* the

employees), who encourage and make available opportunities for growth

and earning power for those inclined and modivated to succeed.



I've always noticed that those who complain the most about employers are

are usually those who perform their tasks to the basic minimum

requirements, simply putting in the hours and then bitching that they

aren't paid what they think they deserve. "I exist, therefore I am owed."



Sort of a union mentality.

Preach on!

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/5/14 8:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/5/14 3:29 PM, wrote:

1. What's "public assistance" amount to in your neck of the woods for a
single mom with three dependent kids?

The real issue is "where is dad"?

No, the real issue is that there are impoverished kids in this country
who did not ask to be born.

I suppose I could total up all of the programs but I have better
things to do. The real question is, do we have a way to break this
circle of poverty. In that regard Carson is a hero.

Carson may be a fine doctor, but when it comes to social issues, he is
just another right-wing asshole who happens to be black.

All of those programs you love so much, simply perpetuate that
lifestyle ... even down to the failed school system.

And your plan for taking care of the kids is...???



2. No, not "mostly the ones who are going broke." Most modern civilized
nations have mandated paid vacation periods for private and public
sector workers.


If you are talking about southern Europe, including France, we can go
back to "they are going broke".



No one has done more since the 1980s to **** over this country than the
rich.
Nice rant.. How many poor people hire anyone?


The rich and their corporations broke the social compact with workers and
they are doing their best to make sure the gaps are not filled.
Worker-serfs is what is wanted. Corporations uber alles.

50 years ago we had ADC: aid dependent children. How much did the kid
really get? Lots went to mom or dad buying booze, clothes, smokes and
maybe a baloney sandwich for the children. Probably not much changes,
except now mom buys drugs.


Bull****. Florida spent a ton of money forcing drug testing on welfare
recipient and found out that only a tiny percentage were users.

Most places are prevented from testing welfare recipients. Why? Maybe
Florida has the correct idea. Test and reduce welfare drug purchases! Go
to most other major welfare centers, ie. Chicago, Detroit, and DC you will
most likely find high drug use. Hell the mayor of DC was a druggie.

On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 8:23:01 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Sort of a union mentality.



Shut up, asshole.

On 8/5/2014 6:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 8/5/2014 6:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/5/14 6:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/5/2014 5:30 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/5/14 4:34 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/5/2014 2:53 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/5/14 12:24 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 12:00:16 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

There's very little "safety net" left in this country. We're so
****ed
up in this country,

Public assistance can easily top $35,000 a year. That is more than
90%
of the world makes, working.

we don't even mandate a modest vacation with pay
each year, as virtually every other modern, civilized nation does.

Mostly the ones who are going broke. Do you really want us to emulate
France and Italy?



1. What's "public assistance" amount to in your neck of the woods
for a
single mom with three dependent kids?

2. No, not "mostly the ones who are going broke." Most modern
civilized
nations have mandated paid vacation periods for private and public
sector workers.

No one has done more since the 1980s to **** over this country than
the
rich.


I don't think anyone has a complaint about a single mom with three
dependent kids collecting assistance. However, there should be (if
there isn't already) a limit to how much assistance she receives based
on the number of kids she has. Hold the fathers responsible and
accountable.

As far as vacations ... the government has no place mandating vacations
in the private work sector. The USA is *not* Europe and to compare our
work culture to European countries isn't meaningful. Every company I
knew of during my working career included paid vacations for full time
employees, BTW.

There are many, many Europeans who have immigrated permanently to the
USA or are here on long term green cards pursuing a career in the
States. I know several and there's a reason they come here.







As I stated, American corporations rule and they are intent on pushing
workers back towards serfdom.

Yawn.



Well, sure, you're one of the 1% and a retiree.


My status, your status and/or anyone elses status is not the point or the
issue. I object to your continuous and broad brush portrait of
"Corporate America" as being the enemy of their employees in terms of
pay, benefits and well-being. There are plenty of examples of companies
who value their employees ... (after all, the company *is* the
employees), who encourage and make available opportunities for growth and
earning power for those inclined and modivated to succeed.

I've always noticed that those who complain the most about employers are
are usually those who perform their tasks to the basic minimum
requirements, simply putting in the hours and then bitching that they
aren't paid what they think they deserve. "I exist, therefore I am owed."

Sort of a union mentality.

Thank you, Mitt!

Luddite supported O'Bama in two elections. How can you call him Mitt,
unless you are acknowledging that Luddite finally saw the light and
realized that he got snookered by O'Bama.

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

On 8/5/2014 8:17 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/5/14 8:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:

50 years ago we had ADC: aid dependent children. How much did the kid
really get? Lots went to mom or dad buying booze, clothes, smokes and
maybe a baloney sandwich for the children. Probably not much changes,
except now mom buys drugs.


Bull****. Florida spent a ton of money forcing drug testing on welfare
recipient and found out that only a tiny percentage were users.

Geez FOAD, they're on welfare not stupid.
They don't do drugs before a test.
Mikek

On 8/5/14 10:10 PM, amdx wrote:
On 8/5/2014 8:17 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/5/14 8:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:

50 years ago we had ADC: aid dependent children. How much did the kid
really get? Lots went to mom or dad buying booze, clothes, smokes and
maybe a baloney sandwich for the children. Probably not much changes,
except now mom buys drugs.


Bull****. Florida spent a ton of money forcing drug testing on welfare
recipient and found out that only a tiny percentage were users.

Geez FOAD, they're on welfare not stupid.
They don't do drugs before a test.
Mikek



You obviously are clueless about testing procedures and how long traces
can be found in your blood and urine.

On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 15:29:30 -0400, wrote:

The real issue is "where is dad"?

===

The real issue is "where are dads"?

On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 18:24:45 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Bull****. Florida spent a ton of money forcing drug testing on welfare

recipient and found out that only a tiny percentage were users.

Is that why you didn't pay your taxes down there?

===

It's difficult to pay taxes when you're a failed double bankrupt.

On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 17:30:00 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

As I stated, American corporations rule and they are intent on pushing
workers back towards serfdom.

===

It's a free market economy: If you don't like your employer, go
somewhere else or start your own business. I did that several times
until finding a good fit between my expectations and an employers
willingness to pay for skills. You just have to find a place where
you're appreciated, and that place is not necessarily going to be in
your old hometown.

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/5/14 10:10 PM, amdx wrote:
On 8/5/2014 8:17 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/5/14 8:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:

50 years ago we had ADC: aid dependent children. How much did the kid
really get? Lots went to mom or dad buying booze, clothes, smokes and
maybe a baloney sandwich for the children. Probably not much changes,
except now mom buys drugs.


Bull****. Florida spent a ton of money forcing drug testing on welfare
recipient and found out that only a tiny percentage were users.

Geez FOAD, they're on welfare not stupid.
They don't do drugs before a test.
Mikek



You obviously are clueless about testing procedures and how long traces
can be found in your blood and urine.

How many really took the test, vs. a surrogate?