On 9/2/2014 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 16:24:22 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/2/14 3:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:26:29 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:04:09 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
ISIL has reportedly beheaded another American journalist.

Says they do not care what the world thinks about them. Makes them even
scarier to a sane person.

===

Yes but it will also make it easier to marshall world opinion against
them. No civilized society goeas around beheading journalists. They
are not exactly an invincible force if everyone stands fast against
them. Somewhere they have a source of funding and supplies. Without
that they could not last long. If nothing else it should be
relatively easy to kill their telecom, media and internet. Where do
they go after that, carrier pigeons?

I like the line from "Alien".

"Nuke them from orbit"


Unfortunately, we didn't learn the lessons of Vietnam and we didn't
learn from the Russian disaster in Afghanistan. These modern-day
terrorists have no real hometown or territory anymore. They might take a
town for a while, and then they'll give it up for another town. If you
bomb the town into the stone age (where it probably is already), you end
up killing lots of non-combatants and you make lots of converts. The
only real way to fight these guys is to have the folks whose towns they
take over fight back. But then you don't know what you are ending up with.


The difference is ISIS has intentions of actually becoming a state
with assets.

BTW that was just metaphor, meaning I am not sure we should really be
that involved.

I am not sure we really have a policy that would be very effective,
unless we just propped up Assad and left it to him.


All you have to do to "prop up Assad" is to give him a bottle of
Viagra.. Comeon, you gotta' admit, the guy does look like a huge penis
with a suit on, doesn't he?

On 9/2/14 6:41 PM, KC wrote:
On 9/2/2014 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 16:24:22 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/2/14 3:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:26:29 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:04:09 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
ISIL has reportedly beheaded another American journalist.

Says they do not care what the world thinks about them. Makes
them even
scarier to a sane person.

===

Yes but it will also make it easier to marshall world opinion against
them. No civilized society goeas around beheading journalists. They
are not exactly an invincible force if everyone stands fast against
them. Somewhere they have a source of funding and supplies. Without
that they could not last long. If nothing else it should be
relatively easy to kill their telecom, media and internet. Where do
they go after that, carrier pigeons?

I like the line from "Alien".

"Nuke them from orbit"


Unfortunately, we didn't learn the lessons of Vietnam and we didn't
learn from the Russian disaster in Afghanistan. These modern-day
terrorists have no real hometown or territory anymore. They might take a
town for a while, and then they'll give it up for another town. If you
bomb the town into the stone age (where it probably is already), you end
up killing lots of non-combatants and you make lots of converts. The
only real way to fight these guys is to have the folks whose towns they
take over fight back. But then you don't know what you are ending up
with.


The difference is ISIS has intentions of actually becoming a state
with assets.

BTW that was just metaphor, meaning I am not sure we should really be
that involved.

I am not sure we really have a policy that would be very effective,
unless we just propped up Assad and left it to him.


All you have to do to "prop up Assad" is to give him a bottle of
Viagra.. Comeon, you gotta' admit, the guy does look like a huge penis
with a suit on, doesn't he?


Yeah, I remember the 7th grade, too, but I got promoted.

On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:43:28 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

All you have to do to "prop up Assad" is to give him a bottle of
Viagra.. Comeon, you gotta' admit, the guy does look like a huge penis
with a suit on, doesn't he?


Yeah, I remember the 7th grade, too, but I got promoted.

===

Anti-socially promoted?

On 9/2/2014 4:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 4:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/2/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 3:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:26:29 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:04:09 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
ISIL has reportedly beheaded another American journalist.

Says they do not care what the world thinks about them. Makes them
even
scarier to a sane person.

===

Yes but it will also make it easier to marshall world opinion against
them. No civilized society goeas around beheading journalists. They
are not exactly an invincible force if everyone stands fast against
them. Somewhere they have a source of funding and supplies. Without
that they could not last long. If nothing else it should be
relatively easy to kill their telecom, media and internet. Where do
they go after that, carrier pigeons?

I like the line from "Alien".

"Nuke them from orbit"


Unfortunately, we didn't learn the lessons of Vietnam and we didn't
learn from the Russian disaster in Afghanistan. These modern-day
terrorists have no real hometown or territory anymore. They might take a
town for a while, and then they'll give it up for another town. If you
bomb the town into the stone age (where it probably is already), you end
up killing lots of non-combatants and you make lots of converts. The
only real way to fight these guys is to have the folks whose towns they
take over fight back. But then you don't know what you are ending up
with.




Unfortunately air strikes alone won't help much other than providing a
minor moral booster to those locals willing to fight, IMO. It's going
to require "boots on the ground" at some point.

Many "expert" commentators claim the USA lacks the "stomach" for a
serious, boots on the ground retaliation. I'd suggest they survey those
who would actually do the fighting ... namely members of the US armed
forces. I'll bet the answer would be unanimous.

Ideally it should be a multi-national coalition, but the USA needs to
lead the way.




Boot on the ground was a failed policy in Afghanistan for Russia and the
United States, and it was a failed policy in Iraq for the United States.
Toppling Saddam only made Iraq worse than it was.


ISIL is holding an American female captive. Will you feel the same if
they behead her as well?

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 9/2/2014 4:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 4:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/2/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 3:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:26:29 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:04:09 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
ISIL has reportedly beheaded another American journalist.

Says they do not care what the world thinks about them. Makes them
even
scarier to a sane person.

===

Yes but it will also make it easier to marshall world opinion against
them. No civilized society goeas around beheading journalists. They
are not exactly an invincible force if everyone stands fast against
them. Somewhere they have a source of funding and supplies. Without
that they could not last long. If nothing else it should be
relatively easy to kill their telecom, media and internet. Where do
they go after that, carrier pigeons?

I like the line from "Alien".

"Nuke them from orbit"


Unfortunately, we didn't learn the lessons of Vietnam and we didn't
learn from the Russian disaster in Afghanistan. These modern-day
terrorists have no real hometown or territory anymore. They might take a
town for a while, and then they'll give it up for another town. If you
bomb the town into the stone age (where it probably is already), you end
up killing lots of non-combatants and you make lots of converts. The
only real way to fight these guys is to have the folks whose towns they
take over fight back. But then you don't know what you are ending up
with.




Unfortunately air strikes alone won't help much other than providing a
minor moral booster to those locals willing to fight, IMO. It's going
to require "boots on the ground" at some point.

Many "expert" commentators claim the USA lacks the "stomach" for a
serious, boots on the ground retaliation. I'd suggest they survey those
who would actually do the fighting ... namely members of the US armed
forces. I'll bet the answer would be unanimous.

Ideally it should be a multi-national coalition, but the USA needs to
lead the way.




Boot on the ground was a failed policy in Afghanistan for Russia and the
United States, and it was a failed policy in Iraq for the United States.
Toppling Saddam only made Iraq worse than it was.


ISIL is holding an American female captive. Will you feel the same if
they behead her as well?

Yes. We're not going to beat ISIS with American boots on the ground there
unless we can send Herring, Bertie and FlatulentJim.
--
Posted from my iPhone

On 9/2/2014 6:29 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 9/2/2014 4:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 4:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/2/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 3:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:26:29 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:04:09 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
ISIL has reportedly beheaded another American journalist.

Says they do not care what the world thinks about them. Makes them
even
scarier to a sane person.

===

Yes but it will also make it easier to marshall world opinion against
them. No civilized society goeas around beheading journalists. They
are not exactly an invincible force if everyone stands fast against
them. Somewhere they have a source of funding and supplies. Without
that they could not last long. If nothing else it should be
relatively easy to kill their telecom, media and internet. Where do
they go after that, carrier pigeons?

I like the line from "Alien".

"Nuke them from orbit"


Unfortunately, we didn't learn the lessons of Vietnam and we didn't
learn from the Russian disaster in Afghanistan. These modern-day
terrorists have no real hometown or territory anymore. They might take a
town for a while, and then they'll give it up for another town. If you
bomb the town into the stone age (where it probably is already), you end
up killing lots of non-combatants and you make lots of converts. The
only real way to fight these guys is to have the folks whose towns they
take over fight back. But then you don't know what you are ending up
with.




Unfortunately air strikes alone won't help much other than providing a
minor moral booster to those locals willing to fight, IMO. It's going
to require "boots on the ground" at some point.

Many "expert" commentators claim the USA lacks the "stomach" for a
serious, boots on the ground retaliation. I'd suggest they survey those
who would actually do the fighting ... namely members of the US armed
forces. I'll bet the answer would be unanimous.

Ideally it should be a multi-national coalition, but the USA needs to
lead the way.




Boot on the ground was a failed policy in Afghanistan for Russia and the
United States, and it was a failed policy in Iraq for the United States.
Toppling Saddam only made Iraq worse than it was.


ISIL is holding an American female captive. Will you feel the same if
they behead her as well?

Yes. We're not going to beat ISIS with American boots on the ground there
unless we can send Herring, Bertie and FlatulentJim.


We served our time. Now it's your turn.

On 9/2/2014 7:29 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 9/2/2014 4:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 4:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/2/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 3:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:26:29 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:04:09 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
ISIL has reportedly beheaded another American journalist.

Says they do not care what the world thinks about them. Makes them
even
scarier to a sane person.

===

Yes but it will also make it easier to marshall world opinion against
them. No civilized society goeas around beheading journalists. They
are not exactly an invincible force if everyone stands fast against
them. Somewhere they have a source of funding and supplies. Without
that they could not last long. If nothing else it should be
relatively easy to kill their telecom, media and internet. Where do
they go after that, carrier pigeons?

I like the line from "Alien".

"Nuke them from orbit"


Unfortunately, we didn't learn the lessons of Vietnam and we didn't
learn from the Russian disaster in Afghanistan. These modern-day
terrorists have no real hometown or territory anymore. They might take a
town for a while, and then they'll give it up for another town. If you
bomb the town into the stone age (where it probably is already), you end
up killing lots of non-combatants and you make lots of converts. The
only real way to fight these guys is to have the folks whose towns they
take over fight back. But then you don't know what you are ending up
with.




Unfortunately air strikes alone won't help much other than providing a
minor moral booster to those locals willing to fight, IMO. It's going
to require "boots on the ground" at some point.

Many "expert" commentators claim the USA lacks the "stomach" for a
serious, boots on the ground retaliation. I'd suggest they survey those
who would actually do the fighting ... namely members of the US armed
forces. I'll bet the answer would be unanimous.

Ideally it should be a multi-national coalition, but the USA needs to
lead the way.




Boot on the ground was a failed policy in Afghanistan for Russia and the
United States, and it was a failed policy in Iraq for the United States.
Toppling Saddam only made Iraq worse than it was.


ISIL is holding an American female captive. Will you feel the same if
they behead her as well?

Yes. We're not going to beat ISIS with American boots on the ground there
unless we can send Herring, Bertie and FlatulentJim.


Your attempt at humor escapes me tonight.

I think you will soon see a deployment of up to 5,000 troops in Iraq
with a mission to hunt down and kill any or all ISIS members. Syria is
a different problem and will require some more behind the scenes
negotiations.

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 9/2/2014 7:29 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 9/2/2014 4:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 4:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/2/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 3:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:26:29 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:04:09 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
ISIL has reportedly beheaded another American journalist.

Says they do not care what the world thinks about them. Makes them
even
scarier to a sane person.

===

Yes but it will also make it easier to marshall world opinion against
them. No civilized society goeas around beheading journalists. They
are not exactly an invincible force if everyone stands fast against
them. Somewhere they have a source of funding and supplies. Without
that they could not last long. If nothing else it should be
relatively easy to kill their telecom, media and internet. Where do
they go after that, carrier pigeons?

I like the line from "Alien".

"Nuke them from orbit"


Unfortunately, we didn't learn the lessons of Vietnam and we didn't
learn from the Russian disaster in Afghanistan. These modern-day
terrorists have no real hometown or territory anymore. They might take a
town for a while, and then they'll give it up for another town. If you
bomb the town into the stone age (where it probably is already), you end
up killing lots of non-combatants and you make lots of converts. The
only real way to fight these guys is to have the folks whose towns they
take over fight back. But then you don't know what you are ending up
with.




Unfortunately air strikes alone won't help much other than providing a
minor moral booster to those locals willing to fight, IMO. It's going
to require "boots on the ground" at some point.

Many "expert" commentators claim the USA lacks the "stomach" for a
serious, boots on the ground retaliation. I'd suggest they survey those
who would actually do the fighting ... namely members of the US armed
forces. I'll bet the answer would be unanimous.

Ideally it should be a multi-national coalition, but the USA needs to
lead the way.




Boot on the ground was a failed policy in Afghanistan for Russia and the
United States, and it was a failed policy in Iraq for the United States.
Toppling Saddam only made Iraq worse than it was.


ISIL is holding an American female captive. Will you feel the same if
they behead her as well?

Yes. We're not going to beat ISIS with American boots on the ground there
unless we can send Herring, Bertie and FlatulentJim.


Your attempt at humor escapes me tonight.

I think you will soon see a deployment of up to 5,000 troops in Iraq with
a mission to hunt down and kill any or all ISIS members. Syria is a
different problem and will require some more behind the scenes negotiations.

Do the ISIS fellas wear special armbands?
--
Posted from my iPhone

On 9/2/2014 7:33 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:59:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



ISIL is holding an American female captive. Will you feel the same if
they behead her as well?


... or worse.

I suppose eventually they could screw up bad enough and turn the
American public against them enough to do something stupid.


Or something smart like take off the gloves. War sucks, sucks more for
the guy that loses... Let's make sure they lose, and badly.. Send our
boys in but this time tell them to win... and let them.

On 9/2/2014 8:34 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 9/2/2014 7:29 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 9/2/2014 4:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 4:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/2/2014 4:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/2/14 3:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:26:29 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:04:09 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
ISIL has reportedly beheaded another American journalist.

Says they do not care what the world thinks about them. Makes them
even
scarier to a sane person.

===

Yes but it will also make it easier to marshall world opinion against
them. No civilized society goeas around beheading journalists. They
are not exactly an invincible force if everyone stands fast against
them. Somewhere they have a source of funding and supplies. Without
that they could not last long. If nothing else it should be
relatively easy to kill their telecom, media and internet. Where do
they go after that, carrier pigeons?

I like the line from "Alien".

"Nuke them from orbit"


Unfortunately, we didn't learn the lessons of Vietnam and we didn't
learn from the Russian disaster in Afghanistan. These modern-day
terrorists have no real hometown or territory anymore. They might take a
town for a while, and then they'll give it up for another town. If you
bomb the town into the stone age (where it probably is already), you end
up killing lots of non-combatants and you make lots of converts. The
only real way to fight these guys is to have the folks whose towns they
take over fight back. But then you don't know what you are ending up
with.




Unfortunately air strikes alone won't help much other than providing a
minor moral booster to those locals willing to fight, IMO. It's going
to require "boots on the ground" at some point.

Many "expert" commentators claim the USA lacks the "stomach" for a
serious, boots on the ground retaliation. I'd suggest they survey those
who would actually do the fighting ... namely members of the US armed
forces. I'll bet the answer would be unanimous.

Ideally it should be a multi-national coalition, but the USA needs to
lead the way.




Boot on the ground was a failed policy in Afghanistan for Russia and the
United States, and it was a failed policy in Iraq for the United States.
Toppling Saddam only made Iraq worse than it was.


ISIL is holding an American female captive. Will you feel the same if
they behead her as well?

Yes. We're not going to beat ISIS with American boots on the ground there
unless we can send Herring, Bertie and FlatulentJim.


Your attempt at humor escapes me tonight.

I think you will soon see a deployment of up to 5,000 troops in Iraq with
a mission to hunt down and kill any or all ISIS members. Syria is a
different problem and will require some more behind the scenes negotiations.

Do the ISIS fellas wear special armbands?


Plenty of Iraqi's will be pointing them out.