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jps September 6th 14 04:12 AM

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You can always trust a guy with a CCP, cuz they're solid citizens...

A Michigan man and his wife had just eaten lunch Tuesday afternoon and
were on their way to pick up their children from the first day of
school when they were cut off by a speeding pickup truck.

Police said 43-year-old Derek Flemming got out of his SUV at the next
stoplight, approached the Dodge pickup, and asked the driver: “What’s
your problem?”

The other driver then rolled down his window and shot Flemming in the
face, killing him, police said.

Police took 69-year-old Martin Zale into custody after the shooting,
and prosecutors waited two days to charge him with open murder, two
counts of felony firearms, and discharge of a weapon from a vehicle.

Michigan law does not require prosecutors to choose between first- or
second-degree murder, even at trial, and a jury may determine the
appropriate charge based on the evidence.

“I fully support the right of individuals to keep and possess
firearms, but it’s when they misuse those weapons that it becomes a
problem,” said Livingston County Prosecutor William Vailliencourt.

The prosecutor said he was confident Zale, who has a concealed carry
permit, was not acting in self-defense when he shot Flemming once in
the face with a handgun.

“You can’t shoot someone because you’re not happy with them,”
Vailliencourt said.

Flemming was not carrying any weapons, investigators said, and
witnesses said he did not make any verbal threats.

The landscape contractor’s family hired a private investigator to
examine Zale’s background while the prosecutor decided whether to
charge the older man.

Amy Flemming said Zale was “screaming down a side street” in his
pickup, and she and her husband believed he would crash into their
Ford Escape as he tailgated their SUV.

She said the pickup cut them off turning onto another road, and Derek
Flemming moved into the right lane to allow him to pass.

Zale then pulled in front of their SUV and slammed on the brakes, Amy
Flemming told police.

Her husband intended to confront Zale about his driving when they
stopped, she said.

The couple’s daughter turned 6 years old Thursday, and they also have
a 7-year-old son.

The children “are asking where their father is,” the family’s attorney
said.

Tom Nofinger September 7th 14 02:07 PM

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On Friday, September 5, 2014 7:12:07 PM UTC-7, jps wrote:
You can always trust a guy with a CCP, cuz they're solid citizens...



A Michigan man and his wife had just eaten lunch Tuesday afternoon and

were on their way to pick up their children from the first day of

school when they were cut off by a speeding pickup truck.



Police said 43-year-old Derek Flemming got out of his SUV at the next

stoplight, approached the Dodge pickup, and asked the driver: �What�s

your problem?�



The other driver then rolled down his window and shot Flemming in the

face, killing him, police said.



Police took 69-year-old Martin Zale into custody after the shooting,

and prosecutors waited two days to charge him with open murder, two

counts of felony firearms, and discharge of a weapon from a vehicle.



Michigan law does not require prosecutors to choose between first- or

second-degree murder, even at trial, and a jury may determine the

appropriate charge based on the evidence.



�I fully support the right of individuals to keep and possess

firearms, but it�s when they misuse those weapons that it becomes a

problem,� said Livingston County Prosecutor William Vailliencourt..



The prosecutor said he was confident Zale, who has a concealed carry

permit, was not acting in self-defense when he shot Flemming once in

the face with a handgun.



�You can�t shoot someone because you�re not happy with them,�

Vailliencourt said.



Flemming was not carrying any weapons, investigators said, and

witnesses said he did not make any verbal threats.



The landscape contractor�s family hired a private investigator to

examine Zale�s background while the prosecutor decided whether to

charge the older man.



Amy Flemming said Zale was �screaming down a side street� in his

pickup, and she and her husband believed he would crash into their

Ford Escape as he tailgated their SUV.



She said the pickup cut them off turning onto another road, and Derek

Flemming moved into the right lane to allow him to pass.



Zale then pulled in front of their SUV and slammed on the brakes, Amy

Flemming told police.



Her husband intended to confront Zale about his driving when they

stopped, she said.



The couple�s daughter turned 6 years old Thursday, and they also have

a 7-year-old son.



The children �are asking where their father is,� the family�s attorney

said.


Roue friend Krause boasts about his CCP. Maybe this was some of his relation?

John H[_15_] September 8th 14 03:31 PM

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On Friday, September 5, 2014 10:12:07 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:
You can always trust a guy with a CCP, cuz they're solid citizens...


Looks like I spoke to soon. Here I thought you'd developed some sense.

How's Chicago doing these days?

Haven't seen your comment on this shooting:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...h-man-fatally/

I wonder why?

Roger September 9th 14 01:59 AM

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John H wrote:
On Friday, September 5, 2014 10:12:07 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:
You can always trust a guy with a CCP, cuz they're solid citizens...

Looks like I spoke to soon. Here I thought you'd developed some sense.

How's Chicago doing these days?

Haven't seen your comment on this shooting:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...h-man-fatally/

I wonder why?

Al and Jesse are on their way to sort things out.


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