On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:14:41 AM UTC-4, wrote:
Where did everyone go?



Out boating I hope

I've spent the past few days upgrading to Windows 7. Problems galore with reloading some of the old stuff - like Forte Agent. Finally dumped it all. Will try to reinstall the new version 7.2, I think.

Anyway, 'Hi' back at ya.

I'm here for a moment

On 9/8/14 8:25 AM, John H wrote:
On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:14:41 AM UTC-4, wrote:
Where did everyone go?



Out boating I hope

I've spent the past few days upgrading to Windows 7. Problems galore with reloading some of the old stuff - like Forte Agent. Finally dumped it all. Will try to reinstall the new version 7.2, I think.

Anyway, 'Hi' back at ya.



It's always nice to start the work week off with a funny such as:

"I've spent the past few days upgrading to Windows 7."

Because, you know, it's really difficult, *especially* if you are
computer illiterate.

When I was bothering with Windoze and major OS upgrades, I found the
best way to handle a change from one version to another was to save onto
a hard drive whatever data files needed to be saved, and then to wipe
the hard drive on which the new OS was to be installed, and then to
install the new OS release onto a clean hard drive.

As for reloading antiquated apps, well, that's pretty much the way it is
with Windoze. Amazed that anyone still uses Forte Agent. Is it still
useful for downloading bootlegged music and vids?

On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 11:14:04 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 05:25:00 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:14:41 AM UTC-4, wrote:
Where did everyone go?



Out boating I hope

I've spent the past few days upgrading to Windows 7. Problems galore with reloading some of the old stuff - like Forte Agent. Finally dumped it all. Will try to reinstall the new version 7.2, I think.

Anyway, 'Hi' back at ya.

I have tried 7 twice and both times I loaded XP on the machine.
I do have a W7 drive for this machine on the shelf in case I want to
try it again.

===

There's a lot to like in Win7 although I do sympathize with your
networking challenges. My wife got a new laptop with Win8 just
before we headed north and that has been difficult. We finally have
the necessary tweaks installed to bring the desktop back to some
semblance of normality. Fortunately one of our daughters-in-law works
for Micro$oft and knew what to do.

On 9/8/14 11:26 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 10:56:27 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

When I was bothering with Windoze and major OS upgrades, I found the
best way to handle a change from one version to another was to save onto
a hard drive whatever data files needed to be saved, and then to wipe
the hard drive on which the new OS was to be installed, and then to
install the new OS release onto a clean hard drive.


I usually take the old drive out and start with a fresh drive. Then if
I change my mind or need something off the other drive, it is easy to
add it in or just swap back.
I keep a couple of USB adapters around so it is easy to get a drive on
the network or into any machine.
I always keep my "system" files and the OS on a different drive than
the one(s) I use for data.
I use standard backup tools (basically just "copy") for the data but I
image the system drive.

As for reloading antiquated apps, well, that's pretty much the way it is
with Windoze. Amazed that anyone still uses Forte Agent. Is it still
useful for downloading bootlegged music and vids?


Agent is still a pretty good news reader.

There are plenty of "antiquated" apps that are better than the
replacement, if a replacement is even available.
That is particularly true of "text" tools that have pretty much fallen
by the wayside in this GUI world.





I tried Agent a few times and found it overly complex for simple
email/usenetting.

Tried a "beta" release of the upcoming new apple OS a few weeks ago. It
worked fine, but a couple of apps misbehaved, and there was no driver
for my DYMO labelwriter, so I simply went into Time Machine and restored
from the previous night's OS/data backup. Took a half an hour with no
further intervention required from me.

Luckily, my "interfaces" with Windoze these days are limited to "fixing"
whatever little things go wrong with my wife's home desktop computer. I
think she's still on Win 7 but I haven't checked for a long time.

On 9/8/14 11:53 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 11:37:29 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

I tried Agent a few times and found it overly complex for simple
email/usenetting.

It takes a while to get it customized but once you do, it is very easy
to run.
Like most windoze apps, that complexity is actually just the ability
to make it what you want and not what some guy in California decided
you wanted.

The other great thing about this version of Agent is it is just an EXE
file. You don't "install" it. You can copy the directory off to a
thumb drive and take it with you, running on any windoze machine you
are sitting on. When you take the drive out, it is gone from that
machine without a trace and you have the updated database with you.
That is handy if you want to log on from a hotel machine..


I suppose, but if I am traveling, I can get my email and just about
anything other connections for which I'd use a computer for on my cell
phone, and if I am out of town, I have my laptop. I've never used a
hotel computer or a business center computer.

I still used Thunderbird for email and usenet, and it "customizes"
easily to suit my needs. The Apple-branded email program is too slick
for my taste.

On 9/8/2014 11:37 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/8/14 11:26 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 10:56:27 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

When I was bothering with Windoze and major OS upgrades, I found the
best way to handle a change from one version to another was to save onto
a hard drive whatever data files needed to be saved, and then to wipe
the hard drive on which the new OS was to be installed, and then to
install the new OS release onto a clean hard drive.


I usually take the old drive out and start with a fresh drive. Then if
I change my mind or need something off the other drive, it is easy to
add it in or just swap back.
I keep a couple of USB adapters around so it is easy to get a drive on
the network or into any machine.
I always keep my "system" files and the OS on a different drive than
the one(s) I use for data.
I use standard backup tools (basically just "copy") for the data but I
image the system drive.

As for reloading antiquated apps, well, that's pretty much the way it is
with Windoze. Amazed that anyone still uses Forte Agent. Is it still
useful for downloading bootlegged music and vids?


Agent is still a pretty good news reader.

There are plenty of "antiquated" apps that are better than the
replacement, if a replacement is even available.
That is particularly true of "text" tools that have pretty much fallen
by the wayside in this GUI world.





I tried Agent a few times and found it overly complex for simple
email/usenetting.

Tried a "beta" release of the upcoming new apple OS a few weeks ago. It
worked fine, but a couple of apps misbehaved, and there was no driver
for my DYMO labelwriter, so I simply went into Time Machine and restored
from the previous night's OS/data backup. Took a half an hour with no
further intervention required from me.

Luckily, my "interfaces" with Windoze these days are limited to "fixing"
whatever little things go wrong with my wife's home desktop computer. I
think she's still on Win 7 but I haven't checked for a long time.


Probably because Win 7 is a stable OS and works just fine. Why
Microsoft came out with the god-awful Win 8 is beyond me. I guess it's
because of the number of people using smart phones.

On 9/8/2014 11:53 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 11:37:29 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

I tried Agent a few times and found it overly complex for simple
email/usenetting.

It takes a while to get it customized but once you do, it is very easy
to run.
Like most windoze apps, that complexity is actually just the ability
to make it what you want and not what some guy in California decided
you wanted.

The other great thing about this version of Agent is it is just an EXE
file. You don't "install" it. You can copy the directory off to a
thumb drive and take it with you, running on any windoze machine you
are sitting on. When you take the drive out, it is gone from that
machine without a trace and you have the updated database with you.
That is handy if you want to log on from a hotel machine..

I'll bet you would like this suite of apps.

http://portableapps.com/suite

On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:14:04 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 05:25:00 -0700 (PDT), John H

wrote:



On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:14:41 AM UTC-4, wrote:

Where did everyone go?







Out boating I hope



I've spent the past few days upgrading to Windows 7. Problems galore with reloading some of the old stuff - like Forte Agent. Finally dumped it all. Will try to reinstall the new version 7.2, I think.



Anyway, 'Hi' back at ya.



I have tried 7 twice and both times I loaded XP on the machine.

I do have a W7 drive for this machine on the shelf in case I want to

try it again.

Win 7 is working OK now, but it didn't like the old agent. I'm thinking of the new Agent, as I said. Which version are you using?

On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:53:59 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 11:37:29 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



I tried Agent a few times and found it overly complex for simple

email/usenetting.



It takes a while to get it customized but once you do, it is very easy

to run.

Like most windoze apps, that complexity is actually just the ability

to make it what you want and not what some guy in California decided

you wanted.



The other great thing about this version of Agent is it is just an EXE

file. You don't "install" it. You can copy the directory off to a

thumb drive and take it with you, running on any windoze machine you

are sitting on. When you take the drive out, it is gone from that

machine without a trace and you have the updated database with you.

That is handy if you want to log on from a hotel machine..

WHICH VERSION, DAMMIT??