On Monday, September 8, 2014 9:26:50 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/8/14 9:18 PM, wrote:





Replacement of the battery on an iPhone 4S is easy. 2 screws, slide the back off, peel the battery out and unplug it, replace, then slide the battery back on and replace the screws.



If you can't do that, your eyesight and fine motor skills aren't good enough to shoot worth a crap at 10 yards with a handgun.



Two screws on the outside, two on the inside, plus antenna removal, plus

one or two other steps, and the screws are tiny. Has nothing to do with

shooting a handgun. Moron.

There's two screws on the connector, but no antenna removal, and no other steps, moron. Unless you count having to change your Depends.

Easy.

On Monday, September 8, 2014 8:50:45 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:
One of my dislikes about the Apple iPhone has to do with battery

replacement/upgrades. There really are no upgrades, and replacing the

battery is a real pain in the ass and requires "fine motor skills" I'm

sure I never had. So, you end up going to Apple ($75 plus tax) or one of

the third party kiosk guys at the mall ($55 plus tax) for a new battery.

Bummer.




$50 bucks to change a $5.00 battery?

On Tuesday, September 9, 2014 7:31:11 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
On Monday, September 8, 2014 8:50:45 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:

One of my dislikes about the Apple iPhone has to do with battery



replacement/upgrades. There really are no upgrades, and replacing the



battery is a real pain in the ass and requires "fine motor skills" I'm



sure I never had. So, you end up going to Apple ($75 plus tax) or one of



the third party kiosk guys at the mall ($55 plus tax) for a new battery.



Bummer.


$50 bucks to change a $5.00 battery?

Union labor? You can get the whole front screen replaced for just over $100, including the screen. That's a *lot* more labor and trouble.

On 9/9/14 7:31 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, September 8, 2014 8:50:45 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:
One of my dislikes about the Apple iPhone has to do with battery

replacement/upgrades. There really are no upgrades, and replacing the

battery is a real pain in the ass and requires "fine motor skills" I'm

sure I never had. So, you end up going to Apple ($75 plus tax) or one of

the third party kiosk guys at the mall ($55 plus tax) for a new battery.

Bummer.




$50 bucks to change a $5.00 battery?



$5 to $8 is about the right price for the battery itself for that phone.
Good guess on your part.

On Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:22:55 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 04:38:15 -0700 (PDT), wrote:



On Tuesday, September 9, 2014 7:31:11 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:

On Monday, September 8, 2014 8:50:45 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:



One of my dislikes about the Apple iPhone has to do with battery







replacement/upgrades. There really are no upgrades, and replacing the







battery is a real pain in the ass and requires "fine motor skills" I'm







sure I never had. So, you end up going to Apple ($75 plus tax) or one of







the third party kiosk guys at the mall ($55 plus tax) for a new battery.







Bummer.





$50 bucks to change a $5.00 battery?



Union labor? You can get the whole front screen replaced for just over $100, including the screen. That's a *lot* more labor and trouble.



I used to write contracts and one thing you always have to factor in

is "risk".

If there is a chance you will trash a $700 phone, you need to build

that chance into your price.

The better the guy, the more you have to pay him and you allow more

time so the lessen the risk.

In the extended labor cost world,. $50 is chump change.

Even 20 years ago, the minimum IBM labor rate was ~$185 an hour (up to

$325), one hour minimum. I could write a contract at $125 an hour but

that was 4 hour minimum and virtually zero risk.

I understand what you're saying, but it's apples and oranges (see what I did there?). You're talking about onsite maintenance of enterprise computer equipment by highly trained, professional staff. And if they cause an outage it could potentially cost the client 10's or 100's of thousands of $$$.

This is a kid in a little shop at a strip mall or kiosk in the mall, doing a 5 minute battery replacement with virtually zero risk. Think changing your cordless phone battery, but with smaller parts.

I suppose if someone had bad eyesight and their hands were shaky, there's some risk. :-)

On 9/9/14 1:38 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 09:43:23 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:22:55 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 04:38:15 -0700 (PDT), wrote:



On Tuesday, September 9, 2014 7:31:11 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:

On Monday, September 8, 2014 8:50:45 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:



One of my dislikes about the Apple iPhone has to do with battery







replacement/upgrades. There really are no upgrades, and replacing the







battery is a real pain in the ass and requires "fine motor skills" I'm







sure I never had. So, you end up going to Apple ($75 plus tax) or one of







the third party kiosk guys at the mall ($55 plus tax) for a new battery.







Bummer.





$50 bucks to change a $5.00 battery?



Union labor? You can get the whole front screen replaced for just over $100, including the screen. That's a *lot* more labor and trouble.



I used to write contracts and one thing you always have to factor in

is "risk".

If there is a chance you will trash a $700 phone, you need to build

that chance into your price.

The better the guy, the more you have to pay him and you allow more

time so the lessen the risk.

In the extended labor cost world,. $50 is chump change.

Even 20 years ago, the minimum IBM labor rate was ~$185 an hour (up to

$325), one hour minimum. I could write a contract at $125 an hour but

that was 4 hour minimum and virtually zero risk.

I understand what you're saying, but it's apples and oranges (see what I did there?). You're talking about onsite maintenance of enterprise computer equipment by highly trained, professional staff. And if they cause an outage it could potentially cost the client 10's or 100's of thousands of $$$.

This is a kid in a little shop at a strip mall or kiosk in the mall, doing a 5 minute battery replacement with virtually zero risk. Think changing your cordless phone battery, but with smaller parts.

I suppose if someone had bad eyesight and their hands were shaky, there's some risk. :-)

If this kid is making $15 an hour, the actual labor cost is closer to
$30 by the time you pay FICA, unemployment and insurance and they have
to keep the lights on in the store.
$50 is probably a fair price when you throw in the battery. I wouldn't
pay it but if I was nervous about cracking into a $700 phone I might.

to get this back to boats...
Dealers charge about $300 for the 100 hour service on a Yamaha and
that is basically dropping the foot and changing the oil. They give
you a long checklist of stuff they did but is mostly just looking at
stuff and saying "it looks OK to me". Unnecessary parts replacement
can get that south of $400. (replacing pristine spark plugs, impellers
and such)



My "problem" with the iPhone battery is not the cost of replacement so
much as it is Apple's never ending quest to make its phones thinner and
thinner and thinner. The iPhone 6 introduced today is even thinner than
the iPhone 5S. For Apple, the thinness means a sealed phone that
requires pain in the ass effort to change out the battery. My old 'droid
phone allowed me to open up the back of the case and pop in a newly
charged and really larger battery.

I didn't see anything in the iPhone 6 announcement today that will
motivate me to became an "early adopter."

On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 13:48:19 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

I didn't see anything in the iPhone 6 announcement today that will
motivate me to became an "early adopter."

===

Really? I think you're a prime candidate for the newly announced
iPutz application.

On 9/9/14 3:22 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 13:48:19 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

My "problem" with the iPhone battery is not the cost of replacement so
much as it is Apple's never ending quest to make its phones thinner and
thinner and thinner. The iPhone 6 introduced today is even thinner than
the iPhone 5S. For Apple, the thinness means a sealed phone that
requires pain in the ass effort to change out the battery. My old 'droid
phone allowed me to open up the back of the case and pop in a newly
charged and really larger battery.

I didn't see anything in the iPhone 6 announcement today that will
motivate me to became an "early adopter."

The kid who works for my wife is standing in line for one as we speak.
He is eating the whole $800 nut to buy it since he does not want to
lose his current contract.

The funny thing, he is buying it because the screen is the same size
as my wife's Note II.. He was originally critical of it.



The really big new iPhone 6 is so large, I doubt it will fit into my
shirt pocket, which is where I like to keep my cell. The iPhone I have
now barely fits in with its Otterbox rubber case.

Here's a funny. I have an old LG VX8300 flip phone, left over from about
2007 when I bought my first Android phone. My brother in law busted his
phone and he's not eligible for a new phone at no cost for a few months.
So, I found my old LG and turned it on and voila! The battery had enough
juice to power up, even though it has been sitting in a drawer for seven
years. I got it changed over to his number and mailed it to him. I knew
it would work because it worked when I stuffed it into my junk drawer,
but I was amazed the battery still had juice.

On 9/9/2014 3:22 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 13:48:19 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

My "problem" with the iPhone battery is not the cost of replacement so
much as it is Apple's never ending quest to make its phones thinner and
thinner and thinner. The iPhone 6 introduced today is even thinner than
the iPhone 5S. For Apple, the thinness means a sealed phone that
requires pain in the ass effort to change out the battery. My old 'droid
phone allowed me to open up the back of the case and pop in a newly
charged and really larger battery.

I didn't see anything in the iPhone 6 announcement today that will
motivate me to became an "early adopter."

The kid who works for my wife is standing in line for one as we speak.
He is eating the whole $800 nut to buy it since he does not want to
lose his current contract.

The funny thing, he is buying it because the screen is the same size
as my wife's Note II.. He was originally critical of it.


As a founding member and plank owner of the Luddite Society I am
grateful that I never succumbed to whatever draws everyone to iPhones,
Smartphones, texting, emails, picture taking and whatever else they are
used for.

I seems to me that it's a well orchestrated marketing ploy to sign you
up to a long term contract and then come out with new phones every 8
months with "have to have" bells and whistles. My wife is hooked. She
can't live without her iPhone at her side and the damn thing beeps,
burbs or farts every other minute. Annoys the hell out of me when we
are having a real, live conversation and I look over at her and she's
texting away to someone while carrying on our conversation ... sorta ...
or playing Scrabble with 4 or 5 people at the same time.

I have a phone. Don't know what it is or who makes it because I very
rarely use it and when I do it's only to make a phone call. Probably
gets used once or twice a month for about a minute or less. People know
not to even try calling me because I never answer it.

On 9/9/14 3:48 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 15:37:27 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/9/14 3:22 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 13:48:19 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

My "problem" with the iPhone battery is not the cost of replacement so
much as it is Apple's never ending quest to make its phones thinner and
thinner and thinner. The iPhone 6 introduced today is even thinner than
the iPhone 5S. For Apple, the thinness means a sealed phone that
requires pain in the ass effort to change out the battery. My old 'droid
phone allowed me to open up the back of the case and pop in a newly
charged and really larger battery.

I didn't see anything in the iPhone 6 announcement today that will
motivate me to became an "early adopter."

The kid who works for my wife is standing in line for one as we speak.
He is eating the whole $800 nut to buy it since he does not want to
lose his current contract.

The funny thing, he is buying it because the screen is the same size
as my wife's Note II.. He was originally critical of it.



The really big new iPhone 6 is so large, I doubt it will fit into my
shirt pocket, which is where I like to keep my cell. The iPhone I have
now barely fits in with its Otterbox rubber case.

Once you get used to the big format, you will wonder how you ever got
along without it. It is great for looking at the RADAR on the boat.
The Note also has a stylus that is handy for drawing plans and stuff
in the field. Obviously you can also write "notes".


I had an iPad and sold it. I don't need a big format in the field, and I
have a lightweight Apple laptop that's far more powerful than even a
large cell phone.