On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:37:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/28/2014 11:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:51:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/28/2014 10:24 AM, Tim wrote:

Richard, that's a good question. Actually there's nothing in law here in illinois about trigger locks. My sure about Cook county(Chicago) though. The only thing there is here is about transporting a firearm. They must be unloaded, in a case, bag, or even wrapped, and either locked in the trunk or if up front, be in plain visible sight. Nothing under the seat etc. pistols can be stored in a glove box but still must be secured in a case and unloaded.


Tim, are you sure about the lock requirement? It would be strange
since Illinois has some other laws governing firearms that follow some
of the more "progressive" thinking.

As for transporting, MA laws state that if you hold a Class A,
unrestricted concealed carry license, you can have a loaded handgun with
you in your car as long as it is "under your control". Means it can be
on your person or in a glove compartment or other area within reach ...
BUT ... it has to be out of sight (concealed). That's the license I
have but I very rarely carry anymore. I did when I was carrying lots of
cash when I had the guitar shop.

MA also issues (or did) a "Class B" license as well that required
transporting in a similar manner to your Illinois transport laws.

Transporting long guns is different however, even with the Class A
license. They must be transported unloaded and either in a lockable
container or have a trigger or chamber lock installed.

There are probably zillions of wild hogs where Tim lives. He needs to
keep something powerful quite handy.



I don't know where Tim lives. Laws establish a general rule butit
really comes down to common sense and being responsible. In my case, I
am not home all day and often my wife will have visitors with small
kids. I don't want a gun laying around for them to discover.

If I lived in some remote place with no neighbors, visitors or
unexpected people visiting, I might be less concerned.


No, I would not want a gun 'laying around' for a kid to discover.
There are several places in a typical home where a gun can be
'available' to the owner but be inaccessible to kids.

Harry, it's illegal to hunt deer with a rifle in Illinois. Shotgun, black powder or bow. Though not mine, some counties have a pistol season. Ironically you can use any slug gun you want except for a .410. The reason being because a .410 is grandfathered in as a rifle caliber.

On 10/28/14 1:03 PM, Tim wrote:
Harry, it's illegal to hunt deer with a rifle in Illinois. Shotgun, black powder or bow. Though not mine, some counties have a pistol season. Ironically you can use any slug gun you want except for a .410. The reason being because a .410 is grandfathered in as a rifle caliber.


I was kidding, Tim. I wouldn't shoot a deer under any circumstances,
even the ones here that chomp on my wife's garden beds.

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Oh I know you were kidding, Harry. But I took the opertunity to explain the hunting laws around here.

One reason deer hunting is popular in this area is because the deer are so thick many end up going through someone's windshield . A good amount of the deer meat that is brought in for processing is donated to food pantries. But the processing is paid for by the hunter. One processor claims about 70% is donated to food pantries and labeled "not for sale" or " donated"

Here's one of the fine organizations that promotes donating venison

http://www.venisondonation.com

On 10/28/14 2:25 PM, Tim wrote:
Oh I know you were kidding, Harry. But I took the opertunity to explain the hunting laws around here.

One reason deer hunting is popular in this area is because the deer are so thick many end up going through someone's windshield . A good amount of the deer meat that is brought in for processing is donated to food pantries. But the processing is paid for by the hunter. One processor claims about 70% is donated to food pantries and labeled "not for sale" or " donated"



We have a lot of roadkilled critters, too.


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Tim wrote:
John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People
ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S.
Constitution says I can" ...

About 50 years ago, a buddy bought a 303 enfield. Problem in those days,
was finding ammo.

On 10/28/14 2:48 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:23:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

$35 every three years doesn't sound onerous to me. We pay $100 for six
years up here. Free if 70 or over.


Per gun? Eeek!

You will love Florida


A state where men are men, you can stand your ground, and there will be
water shortages.

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On 10/28/2014 1:03 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:37:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/28/2014 11:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:51:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/28/2014 10:24 AM, Tim wrote:

Richard, that's a good question. Actually there's nothing in law here in illinois about trigger locks. My sure about Cook county(Chicago) though. The only thing there is here is about transporting a firearm. They must be unloaded, in a case, bag, or even wrapped, and either locked in the trunk or if up front, be in plain visible sight. Nothing under the seat etc. pistols can be stored in a glove box but still must be secured in a case and unloaded.


Tim, are you sure about the lock requirement? It would be strange
since Illinois has some other laws governing firearms that follow some
of the more "progressive" thinking.

As for transporting, MA laws state that if you hold a Class A,
unrestricted concealed carry license, you can have a loaded handgun with
you in your car as long as it is "under your control". Means it can be
on your person or in a glove compartment or other area within reach ...
BUT ... it has to be out of sight (concealed). That's the license I
have but I very rarely carry anymore. I did when I was carrying lots of
cash when I had the guitar shop.

MA also issues (or did) a "Class B" license as well that required
transporting in a similar manner to your Illinois transport laws.

Transporting long guns is different however, even with the Class A
license. They must be transported unloaded and either in a lockable
container or have a trigger or chamber lock installed.

There are probably zillions of wild hogs where Tim lives. He needs to
keep something powerful quite handy.



I don't know where Tim lives. Laws establish a general rule butit
really comes down to common sense and being responsible. In my case, I
am not home all day and often my wife will have visitors with small
kids. I don't want a gun laying around for them to discover.

If I lived in some remote place with no neighbors, visitors or
unexpected people visiting, I might be less concerned.


No, I would not want a gun 'laying around' for a kid to discover.
There are several places in a typical home where a gun can be
'available' to the owner but be inaccessible to kids.


Dick is right. Not knowing where Tim lives (ie the neighborhood) we
really can't say. I mean, there are still places out there where folks
don't lock their doors because the adults and kids are brought up in a
manner where it's not a problem, could be that in Tims area, most kids
are more familiar with gun handling and care than the children of some
of our plastic bottle hunters here....

On 10/28/14 2:56 PM, KC wrote:
On 10/28/2014 1:03 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:37:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/28/2014 11:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:51:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/28/2014 10:24 AM, Tim wrote:

Richard, that's a good question. Actually there's nothing in law
here in illinois about trigger locks. My sure about Cook
county(Chicago) though. The only thing there is here is about
transporting a firearm. They must be unloaded, in a case, bag, or
even wrapped, and either locked in the trunk or if up front, be in
plain visible sight. Nothing under the seat etc. pistols can be
stored in a glove box but still must be secured in a case and
unloaded.


Tim, are you sure about the lock requirement? It would be strange
since Illinois has some other laws governing firearms that follow some
of the more "progressive" thinking.

As for transporting, MA laws state that if you hold a Class A,
unrestricted concealed carry license, you can have a loaded handgun
with
you in your car as long as it is "under your control". Means it
can be
on your person or in a glove compartment or other area within reach
...
BUT ... it has to be out of sight (concealed). That's the license I
have but I very rarely carry anymore. I did when I was carrying
lots of
cash when I had the guitar shop.

MA also issues (or did) a "Class B" license as well that required
transporting in a similar manner to your Illinois transport laws.

Transporting long guns is different however, even with the Class A
license. They must be transported unloaded and either in a lockable
container or have a trigger or chamber lock installed.

There are probably zillions of wild hogs where Tim lives. He needs to
keep something powerful quite handy.



I don't know where Tim lives. Laws establish a general rule butit
really comes down to common sense and being responsible. In my case, I
am not home all day and often my wife will have visitors with small
kids. I don't want a gun laying around for them to discover.

If I lived in some remote place with no neighbors, visitors or
unexpected people visiting, I might be less concerned.


No, I would not want a gun 'laying around' for a kid to discover.
There are several places in a typical home where a gun can be
'available' to the owner but be inaccessible to kids.


Dick is right. Not knowing where Tim lives (ie the neighborhood) we
really can't say. I mean, there are still places out there where folks
don't lock their doors because the adults and kids are brought up in a
manner where it's not a problem, could be that in Tims area, most kids
are more familiar with gun handling and care than the children of some
of our plastic bottle hunters here....


You send your kids out to collect plastic bottles by the roadside to
turn in for deposit? I suppose that is easier on you than finding and
keeping a decent job.

What are you, about 50? Unless you fall over and die from one of your
several diseases, you've probably got 20 years of unemployment ahead of
you. Sucks.

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Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding
Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT
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