F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 10:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:29 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote:

John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People
ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S.
Constitution says I can" ...



Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that
disables it?

We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe
or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be
stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm.

My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are loaded
but kept in a safe.

Best keep your safe open, lest you need quick access to your hand
cannons ;-)


I keep them all in the safe during the day (unless I am carrying one
which is rare).

At night I keep one of them within easy reach from my bed.

I think I told the story of hunting down "Fudge" recently in the middle
of the night. Goofy dog got out of the garage and was exploring the
house at 2am. Sounded for sure that someone was moving around from room
to room.


These days, I keep an unloaded .357 revolver close by at night, with a
5Star Speedloader with six rounds of Hornady Defense Ammo nearby:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO6Dm_PNJM



.357 MAG ammo is... *loud* !




You must live in a crappy neighborhood.

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 10:51 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:24 AM, Tim wrote:

Richard, that's a good question. Actually there's nothing in law here
in illinois about trigger locks. My sure about Cook county(Chicago)
though. The only thing there is here is about transporting a firearm.
They must be unloaded, in a case, bag, or even wrapped, and either
locked in the trunk or if up front, be in plain visible sight. Nothing
under the seat etc. pistols can be stored in a glove box but still
must be secured in a case and unloaded.


Tim, are you sure about the lock requirement? It would be strange
since Illinois has some other laws governing firearms that follow some
of the more "progressive" thinking.

As for transporting, MA laws state that if you hold a Class A,
unrestricted concealed carry license, you can have a loaded handgun with
you in your car as long as it is "under your control". Means it can be
on your person or in a glove compartment or other area within reach ...
BUT ... it has to be out of sight (concealed). That's the license I
have but I very rarely carry anymore. I did when I was carrying lots of
cash when I had the guitar shop.

MA also issues (or did) a "Class B" license as well that required
transporting in a similar manner to your Illinois transport laws.

Transporting long guns is different however, even with the Class A
license. They must be transported unloaded and either in a lockable
container or have a trigger or chamber lock installed.


Does a soft case on which you can padlock the zippers closed count as a
lockable container for a rifle?


In California it does. Same for a pistol.

On 10/28/14 3:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 10:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:29 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote:

John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People
ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S.
Constitution says I can" ...



Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that
disables it?

We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe
or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be
stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm.

My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are loaded
but kept in a safe.

Best keep your safe open, lest you need quick access to your hand
cannons ;-)


I keep them all in the safe during the day (unless I am carrying one
which is rare).

At night I keep one of them within easy reach from my bed.

I think I told the story of hunting down "Fudge" recently in the middle
of the night. Goofy dog got out of the garage and was exploring the
house at 2am. Sounded for sure that someone was moving around from room
to room.


These days, I keep an unloaded .357 revolver close by at night, with a
5Star Speedloader with six rounds of Hornady Defense Ammo nearby:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO6Dm_PNJM



.357 MAG ammo is... *loud* !




You must live in a crappy neighborhood.



I'm sure the .357 MAG rounds would be just as noisy in your neighborhood.

Oh, you think I live in a dangerous neighborhood. I suspect the violent
crime rate in this part of our county is lower than it is in your 'hood.

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On 10/28/2014 2:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 2:48 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:23:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

$35 every three years doesn't sound onerous to me. We pay $100 for six
years up here. Free if 70 or over.


Per gun? Eeek!

You will love Florida


A state where men are men, you can stand your ground, and there will be
water shortages.


No need to visit then. Florida doesn't want your wife's money.

On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 14:56:29 -0400, KC wrote:

On 10/28/2014 1:03 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:37:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/28/2014 11:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:51:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/28/2014 10:24 AM, Tim wrote:

Richard, that's a good question. Actually there's nothing in law here in illinois about trigger locks. My sure about Cook county(Chicago) though. The only thing there is here is about transporting a firearm. They must be unloaded, in a case, bag, or even wrapped, and either locked in the trunk or if up front, be in plain visible sight. Nothing under the seat etc. pistols can be stored in a glove box but still must be secured in a case and unloaded.


Tim, are you sure about the lock requirement? It would be strange
since Illinois has some other laws governing firearms that follow some
of the more "progressive" thinking.

As for transporting, MA laws state that if you hold a Class A,
unrestricted concealed carry license, you can have a loaded handgun with
you in your car as long as it is "under your control". Means it can be
on your person or in a glove compartment or other area within reach ...
BUT ... it has to be out of sight (concealed). That's the license I
have but I very rarely carry anymore. I did when I was carrying lots of
cash when I had the guitar shop.

MA also issues (or did) a "Class B" license as well that required
transporting in a similar manner to your Illinois transport laws.

Transporting long guns is different however, even with the Class A
license. They must be transported unloaded and either in a lockable
container or have a trigger or chamber lock installed.

There are probably zillions of wild hogs where Tim lives. He needs to
keep something powerful quite handy.



I don't know where Tim lives. Laws establish a general rule butit
really comes down to common sense and being responsible. In my case, I
am not home all day and often my wife will have visitors with small
kids. I don't want a gun laying around for them to discover.

If I lived in some remote place with no neighbors, visitors or
unexpected people visiting, I might be less concerned.


No, I would not want a gun 'laying around' for a kid to discover.
There are several places in a typical home where a gun can be
'available' to the owner but be inaccessible to kids.


Dick is right. Not knowing where Tim lives (ie the neighborhood) we
really can't say. I mean, there are still places out there where folks
don't lock their doors because the adults and kids are brought up in a
manner where it's not a problem, could be that in Tims area, most kids
are more familiar with gun handling and care than the children of some
of our plastic bottle hunters here....

I expect Tim has enough experience with firearms to know what he's
doing. I also expect he doesn't get a lot of kids visiting his shop.
And besides, he said nothing about it being loaded.

On 10/28/2014 2:48 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:23:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

$35 every three years doesn't sound onerous to me. We pay $100 for six
years up here. Free if 70 or over.


Per gun? Eeek!

You will love Florida



LOL ... no

The $100 is for the license or renewal every 6 years.
You can own as many guns as you want. The registration process allows
the state to monitor how many you buy and sell though and they might
investigate if they suspect you are an unlicensed dealer.

I didn't take John's $35 (for three years) as being a fee per gun.
It's just for the fingerprinting.

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 3:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 10:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:29 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote:

John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People
ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S.
Constitution says I can" ...



Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that
disables it?

We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe
or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be
stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm.

My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are loaded
but kept in a safe.

Best keep your safe open, lest you need quick access to your hand
cannons ;-)


I keep them all in the safe during the day (unless I am carrying one
which is rare).

At night I keep one of them within easy reach from my bed.

I think I told the story of hunting down "Fudge" recently in the middle
of the night. Goofy dog got out of the garage and was exploring the
house at 2am. Sounded for sure that someone was moving around from room
to room.


These days, I keep an unloaded .357 revolver close by at night, with a
5Star Speedloader with six rounds of Hornady Defense Ammo nearby:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO6Dm_PNJM



.357 MAG ammo is... *loud* !




You must live in a crappy neighborhood.



I'm sure the .357 MAG rounds would be just as noisy in your neighborhood.

Oh, you think I live in a dangerous neighborhood. I suspect the violent
crime rate in this part of our county is lower than it is in your 'hood.


Said nothing about the sound. You must live in a crappy hood, to think you
need a firearm handy at night. We have little violent crime in my hood.
Mostly white collar criminal.

On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:37:09 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/28/2014 2:48 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:23:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

$35 every three years doesn't sound onerous to me. We pay $100 for six
years up here. Free if 70 or over.


Per gun? Eeek!

You will love Florida



LOL ... no

The $100 is for the license or renewal every 6 years.
You can own as many guns as you want. The registration process allows
the state to monitor how many you buy and sell though and they might
investigate if they suspect you are an unlicensed dealer.

I didn't take John's $35 (for three years) as being a fee per gun.
It's just for the fingerprinting.


As I said, you missed the fee per gun part.

On 10/28/14 5:45 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 3:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 10:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:29 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote:

John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People
ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S.
Constitution says I can" ...



Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that
disables it?

We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe
or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be
stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm.

My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are loaded
but kept in a safe.

Best keep your safe open, lest you need quick access to your hand
cannons ;-)


I keep them all in the safe during the day (unless I am carrying one
which is rare).

At night I keep one of them within easy reach from my bed.

I think I told the story of hunting down "Fudge" recently in the middle
of the night. Goofy dog got out of the garage and was exploring the
house at 2am. Sounded for sure that someone was moving around from room
to room.


These days, I keep an unloaded .357 revolver close by at night, with a
5Star Speedloader with six rounds of Hornady Defense Ammo nearby:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO6Dm_PNJM



.357 MAG ammo is... *loud* !




You must live in a crappy neighborhood.



I'm sure the .357 MAG rounds would be just as noisy in your neighborhood.

Oh, you think I live in a dangerous neighborhood. I suspect the violent
crime rate in this part of our county is lower than it is in your 'hood.


Said nothing about the sound. You must live in a crappy hood, to think you
need a firearm handy at night. We have little violent crime in my hood.
Mostly white collar criminal.



You just never know when a little **** with a big mouth from Connecticut
(or his full-patch motorcycle gang buddy) will jump on a kid's
motorbike, drive down here, and bust his way through the door. If that
happens, I want to be ready and able to greet him properly.

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On 10/28/14 5:46 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 14:52:46 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/28/14 2:48 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:23:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

$35 every three years doesn't sound onerous to me. We pay $100 for six
years up here. Free if 70 or over.


Per gun? Eeek!

You will love Florida


A state where men are men, you can stand your ground, and there will be
water shortages.


We were talking about taxes, but nice diversion.
Florida has an easily fixable water problem,

My environmental engineer relative who lives in Florida says otherwise.
But, of course, you know more about the fresh water problems the state
is having because, well, because.


--
A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST:

Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean
Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding
Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT
Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote.