On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 09:18:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 12/5/14 9:14 AM, KC wrote:
On 12/5/2014 8:49 AM, Poco Loco wrote:

The "Tea Party" has never been allowed to materialize...

Not enough white hoods to go around?
--

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument
with a liberal."

....Peter Brimelow (Author)
(Thanks, Luddite!)

On 12/5/14 9:14 AM, KC wrote:


The "Tea Party" has never been allowed to materialize...


The Tea Party morphed into the Tea Baggers. Cruz, et al.

They have had significant influence in the House, causing others to bow
and scrape to the Tea Bagger agenda out of fear of being ostracized.

The Tea Baggers also had a major impact on Romney's campaign for the
presidential nomination. Again, Romney felt obliged to cater to them in
order to maintain his base. If he had not had to do that he may have
stood a better chance in the election.

Jeb Bush has said screw them. He understands and wants no part of
joining with Cruz and others, even if it means he'll never get the
nomination for 2016.

Another interesting transformation is the "new" Rand Paul. He's
distancing himself rapidly from the Tea Baggers and actually is starting
to sound more rational and thoughtful.

On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:15:31 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Johnny perseverates on this sort of crap, hoping to wear you out so you
will play his game. Really. He's a little like Greg, but not nearly as
clever.

===

And you are a little like yourself, obnoxious as ever, and not clever
at all. I'd be interested in hearing your side of the discussion
about unions protecting bad cops, bad teachers, etc.

On 12/5/14 10:35 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:15:31 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Johnny perseverates on this sort of crap, hoping to wear you out so you
will play his game. Really. He's a little like Greg, but not nearly as
clever.

===

And you are a little like yourself, obnoxious as ever, and not clever
at all. I'd be interested in hearing your side of the discussion
about unions protecting bad cops, bad teachers, etc.


Sure, Wayne, as soon as you stop being an asshole here.

--
I feel no need to explain my politics to stupid right-wingers.
After all, I am *not* the Jackass Whisperer.

On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:17:23 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 12/5/14 10:35 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:15:31 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Johnny perseverates on this sort of crap, hoping to wear you out so you
will play his game. Really. He's a little like Greg, but not nearly as
clever.

===

And you are a little like yourself, obnoxious as ever, and not clever
at all. I'd be interested in hearing your side of the discussion
about unions protecting bad cops, bad teachers, etc.


Sure, Wayne, as soon as you stop being an asshole here.

===

OK, I just stopped.

The ball is in your court.

On 12/5/14 11:40 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:17:23 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 12/5/14 10:35 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:15:31 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Johnny perseverates on this sort of crap, hoping to wear you out so you
will play his game. Really. He's a little like Greg, but not nearly as
clever.

===

And you are a little like yourself, obnoxious as ever, and not clever
at all. I'd be interested in hearing your side of the discussion
about unions protecting bad cops, bad teachers, etc.


Sure, Wayne, as soon as you stop being an asshole here.

===

OK, I just stopped.

The ball is in your court.


Okay, I'll play...for the moment...until you revert back.

Labor unions exist to protect and improve the wages, hours, working
conditions, and medical coverage and retirement options of their
members. They also represent their members in grievances with employers.

If by "bad cops" et cetera, you are referring to union members accused
of serious crimes related to their jobs, then, yes, most unions will
support their members by providing and paying for the services of a
good-quality lawyer to mount a defense on the members' behalf. Doing so
ensures the member has the benefit of due process.

My "side" on this is that it is an important and proper benefit of union
membership.




--
I feel no need to explain my politics to stupid right-wingers.
After all, I am *not* the Jackass Whisperer.

On 12/5/14 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 08:57:11 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 08:34:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/4/2014 10:33 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:01:18 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:



I think there's a lot of truth to that and our media folks are doing
everything they can to perpetuate that culture. When I was a little
kid almost everything on television was cowboys shooting each other or
cowboys shooting indians. Starting in the late 50s or so that changed
to detective shows with lots of people shooting each other, and comic
books with soldiers and action heros shooting just about everybody.
Now we are into video games with incredible violence against
everything. Let's not even talk about the Mixed Martial Arts craze
but it's certainly there. And so it goes. Violence is inbred into
the culture as an accepted way of resolving all disputes.


You can track what was on TV buy the guns that were popular at the
time.
In the 50s and 60s it was cowboy stuff and they started selling SA
revolvers and lever action rifles like hot cakes. The old manufactures
rushed to restart lines that were shut down during WWII. Ruger was
born then with their SA army knockoff.
When it was cop shows, snub nosed revolvers took off and we got
Charter Arms coming up out of nowhere.
Dirty Harry brought the 44 mag to the mass market but it was really
too much gun for most people.
Then it was the Miami Vice thing and everyone wanted something that
looked like an Uzi put they usually ended up with an Ingrahm MAC
because they were cheap.
Rambo and all of the war movies after that got everyone, including our
closeted gun nut wanting an AK or an AR and that was driven home by
the Clinton AW ban. Nothing makes Americans wanting something more
than the government saying they can't have it.

China sold us 2 million SKSs, AKS, MAC knockoffs and other assorted
"ugly guns" with some minor change that made them loophole legal (like
Harry's HBAR).
I guess Johnny Huang's $10,000 "teas" were well worth the money.




I was really bummed out when I discovered that the silver bullets in my
Lone Ranger gun belt were .... plastic.

The only way to go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8qXLxHi9_8

Imagine a kid going outside with one of these on his hips.

I had one. They sold stick on caps that went on the back of the
cartridge and the bullet was spring loaded in it so when the hammer
hit the cap, the bullet came out. It was retained in the cartridge by
clips on the side and when the cartridge was pushed forward a
constriction ion the cylinder released the clips.

These days, the cops would shoot you if you had one. They looked too
real.


The cops will shoot you, period.

--
I feel no need to explain my politics to stupid right-wingers.
After all, I am *not* the Jackass Whisperer.

On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:59:30 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 08:57:11 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 08:34:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/4/2014 10:33 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:01:18 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:



I think there's a lot of truth to that and our media folks are doing
everything they can to perpetuate that culture. When I was a little
kid almost everything on television was cowboys shooting each other or
cowboys shooting indians. Starting in the late 50s or so that changed
to detective shows with lots of people shooting each other, and comic
books with soldiers and action heros shooting just about everybody.
Now we are into video games with incredible violence against
everything. Let's not even talk about the Mixed Martial Arts craze
but it's certainly there. And so it goes. Violence is inbred into
the culture as an accepted way of resolving all disputes.


You can track what was on TV buy the guns that were popular at the
time.
In the 50s and 60s it was cowboy stuff and they started selling SA
revolvers and lever action rifles like hot cakes. The old manufactures
rushed to restart lines that were shut down during WWII. Ruger was
born then with their SA army knockoff.
When it was cop shows, snub nosed revolvers took off and we got
Charter Arms coming up out of nowhere.
Dirty Harry brought the 44 mag to the mass market but it was really
too much gun for most people.
Then it was the Miami Vice thing and everyone wanted something that
looked like an Uzi put they usually ended up with an Ingrahm MAC
because they were cheap.
Rambo and all of the war movies after that got everyone, including our
closeted gun nut wanting an AK or an AR and that was driven home by
the Clinton AW ban. Nothing makes Americans wanting something more
than the government saying they can't have it.

China sold us 2 million SKSs, AKS, MAC knockoffs and other assorted
"ugly guns" with some minor change that made them loophole legal (like
Harry's HBAR).
I guess Johnny Huang's $10,000 "teas" were well worth the money.




I was really bummed out when I discovered that the silver bullets in my
Lone Ranger gun belt were .... plastic.

The only way to go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8qXLxHi9_8

Imagine a kid going outside with one of these on his hips.

I had one. They sold stick on caps that went on the back of the
cartridge and the bullet was spring loaded in it so when the hammer
hit the cap, the bullet came out. It was retained in the cartridge by
clips on the side and when the cartridge was pushed forward a
constriction ion the cylinder released the clips.

These days, the cops would shoot you if you had one. They looked too
real.

I had the predecessor, the basic Fanner 50. I think every kid in the
neighborhood had one. We spent a lot of time playing cowboys!
--

"When your argument has backed a liberal into a corner,
expect to be called a racist."

On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 12:03:13 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 12/5/14 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 08:57:11 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 08:34:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/4/2014 10:33 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:01:18 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:



I think there's a lot of truth to that and our media folks are doing
everything they can to perpetuate that culture. When I was a little
kid almost everything on television was cowboys shooting each other or
cowboys shooting indians. Starting in the late 50s or so that changed
to detective shows with lots of people shooting each other, and comic
books with soldiers and action heros shooting just about everybody.
Now we are into video games with incredible violence against
everything. Let's not even talk about the Mixed Martial Arts craze
but it's certainly there. And so it goes. Violence is inbred into
the culture as an accepted way of resolving all disputes.


You can track what was on TV buy the guns that were popular at the
time.
In the 50s and 60s it was cowboy stuff and they started selling SA
revolvers and lever action rifles like hot cakes. The old manufactures
rushed to restart lines that were shut down during WWII. Ruger was
born then with their SA army knockoff.
When it was cop shows, snub nosed revolvers took off and we got
Charter Arms coming up out of nowhere.
Dirty Harry brought the 44 mag to the mass market but it was really
too much gun for most people.
Then it was the Miami Vice thing and everyone wanted something that
looked like an Uzi put they usually ended up with an Ingrahm MAC
because they were cheap.
Rambo and all of the war movies after that got everyone, including our
closeted gun nut wanting an AK or an AR and that was driven home by
the Clinton AW ban. Nothing makes Americans wanting something more
than the government saying they can't have it.

China sold us 2 million SKSs, AKS, MAC knockoffs and other assorted
"ugly guns" with some minor change that made them loophole legal (like
Harry's HBAR).
I guess Johnny Huang's $10,000 "teas" were well worth the money.




I was really bummed out when I discovered that the silver bullets in my
Lone Ranger gun belt were .... plastic.

The only way to go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8qXLxHi9_8

Imagine a kid going outside with one of these on his hips.

I had one. They sold stick on caps that went on the back of the
cartridge and the bullet was spring loaded in it so when the hammer
hit the cap, the bullet came out. It was retained in the cartridge by
clips on the side and when the cartridge was pushed forward a
constriction ion the cylinder released the clips.

These days, the cops would shoot you if you had one. They looked too
real.


The cops will shoot you, period.

No sweat, the unions will protect the cops.
--

"When your argument has backed a liberal into a corner,
expect to be called a racist."

On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:55:35 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Okay, I'll play...for the moment...until you revert back.

Labor unions exist to protect and improve the wages, hours, working
conditions, and medical coverage and retirement options of their
members. They also represent their members in grievances with employers.

If by "bad cops" et cetera, you are referring to union members accused
of serious crimes related to their jobs, then, yes, most unions will
support their members by providing and paying for the services of a
good-quality lawyer to mount a defense on the members' behalf. Doing so
ensures the member has the benefit of due process.

My "side" on this is that it is an important and proper benefit of union
membership.

===

Rightly or wrongly there is a widespread public perception that unions
protect incompetent members.