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On 12/3/2014 1:15 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
Less availability of guns in modern western societies seems to result in a less violent society, eh? It should be so easy to cite your statistical sources for that very bold statement. Don't disappoint us now, ya hear Asshat? |
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:48:00 -0500, Let it snowe
wrote: On 12/3/2014 1:15 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: Less availability of guns in modern western societies seems to result in a less violent society, eh? It should be so easy to cite your statistical sources for that very bold statement. Don't disappoint us now, ya hear Asshat? He and jps just can't seem to understand that it's not the gun's fault when someone gets shot. They both need to look at the Ferguson case. Not one person has blamed Brown's death on the gun. They've all blamed the cop - even jps, Toad, and .... him (although only be inference). Ooops, I take some of that back. I think Toad did comment that Brown's death was possibly related to the availability of guns. That made no sense, but he did say that (or words to that effect = in case I'm being closely monitored). -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ....Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) |
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:15:52 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 12/3/14 12:24 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 12:04:53 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: On 12/3/14 12:02 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 06:38:34 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: On 12/2/14 10:50 PM, wrote: On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 21:02:39 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: Interesting that in other modern nations like England, Germany, Japan, et cetera, the police there hardly ever kill anyone. Their police hardly ever get killed either. Why do you suppose that is? A culturally less violent and more compliant society. If you ask your average German whether it was OK to attack an officer and try to take his weapon he would simply be aghast. They would expect to be killed. Oh. So it has nothing to do with the easy availability of guns. German police have guns, Toad. Are you implying that Brown was killed because of the easy availability of guns? To cops? Or to Brown? You're making little sense here, Toad. -- Less availability of guns in modern western societies seems to result in a less violent society, eh? It's the behavior of the folks behind the gun that's the problem, Toad. Look at Switzerland, they have a lot of guns, but the behavior of the gun owners is much better. Look at the guys here on rec.boats. Lots of them own guns, some, like yourself, own a whole arsenal of guns. How many folks have you shot with them? None? Well, why the hell not? Lots of guns were available to you, but you didn't go out and shoot anyone. In fact, I don't think anyone here has shot anyone. Wonder why not? -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ....Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) |
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On 12/3/2014 2:51 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:15:52 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: On 12/3/14 12:24 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 12:04:53 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: On 12/3/14 12:02 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 06:38:34 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: On 12/2/14 10:50 PM, wrote: On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 21:02:39 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: Interesting that in other modern nations like England, Germany, Japan, et cetera, the police there hardly ever kill anyone. Their police hardly ever get killed either. Why do you suppose that is? A culturally less violent and more compliant society. If you ask your average German whether it was OK to attack an officer and try to take his weapon he would simply be aghast. They would expect to be killed. Oh. So it has nothing to do with the easy availability of guns. German police have guns, Toad. Are you implying that Brown was killed because of the easy availability of guns? To cops? Or to Brown? You're making little sense here, Toad. -- Less availability of guns in modern western societies seems to result in a less violent society, eh? It's the behavior of the folks behind the gun that's the problem, Toad. Look at Switzerland, they have a lot of guns, but the behavior of the gun owners is much better. Look at the guys here on rec.boats. Lots of them own guns, some, like yourself, own a whole arsenal of guns. How many folks have you shot with them? None? Well, why the hell not? Lots of guns were available to you, but you didn't go out and shoot anyone. Well, it's still the guns fault, just like the story below where violent school busses kill far more kids during school hours than guns.. https://www.facebook.com/19074743427...type=1&theater man, get with the program, get rid of all school busses, and cars too!!! Support Moms Against Cars! lol! In fact, I don't think anyone here has shot anyone. Wonder why not? -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ...Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) |
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On 12/4/2014 11:42 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 05:12:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/4/2014 12:02 AM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:15:52 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: Less availability of guns in modern western societies seems to result in a less violent society, eh? They are simply less violent. There were more stabbing murders in LA last year than the total number of murders in Canada all causes. Maybe it does have to do with our ethnic make up ... but we can't say that. Statistics can be very misleading unless you take all factors into account. You have to come away with the fact that Americans are more violent, across the board. When you look at Australia where they did do a massive gun roundup, the people who wanted to kill their fellow man, simply moved to other weapons. The overall slope of murder rates didn't really change. John won't like this but guns, wars and violence are "ingrained" in our culture. :-) |
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On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:44:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 12/4/2014 11:42 AM, wrote: On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 05:12:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/4/2014 12:02 AM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:15:52 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: Less availability of guns in modern western societies seems to result in a less violent society, eh? They are simply less violent. There were more stabbing murders in LA last year than the total number of murders in Canada all causes. Maybe it does have to do with our ethnic make up ... but we can't say that. Statistics can be very misleading unless you take all factors into account. You have to come away with the fact that Americans are more violent, across the board. When you look at Australia where they did do a massive gun roundup, the people who wanted to kill their fellow man, simply moved to other weapons. The overall slope of murder rates didn't really change. John won't like this but guns, wars and violence are "ingrained" in our culture. :-) === I think there's a lot of truth to that and our media folks are doing everything they can to perpetuate that culture. When I was a little kid almost everything on television was cowboys shooting each other or cowboys shooting indians. Starting in the late 50s or so that changed to detective shows with lots of people shooting each other, and comic books with soldiers and action heros shooting just about everybody. Now we are into video games with incredible violence against everything. Let's not even talk about the Mixed Martial Arts craze but it's certainly there. And so it goes. Violence is inbred into the culture as an accepted way of resolving all disputes. |
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On 12/4/2014 12:01 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:44:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/4/2014 11:42 AM, wrote: On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 05:12:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/4/2014 12:02 AM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:15:52 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: Less availability of guns in modern western societies seems to result in a less violent society, eh? They are simply less violent. There were more stabbing murders in LA last year than the total number of murders in Canada all causes. Maybe it does have to do with our ethnic make up ... but we can't say that. Statistics can be very misleading unless you take all factors into account. You have to come away with the fact that Americans are more violent, across the board. When you look at Australia where they did do a massive gun roundup, the people who wanted to kill their fellow man, simply moved to other weapons. The overall slope of murder rates didn't really change. John won't like this but guns, wars and violence are "ingrained" in our culture. :-) === I think there's a lot of truth to that and our media folks are doing everything they can to perpetuate that culture. When I was a little kid almost everything on television was cowboys shooting each other or cowboys shooting indians. Starting in the late 50s or so that changed to detective shows with lots of people shooting each other, and comic books with soldiers and action heros shooting just about everybody. Now we are into video games with incredible violence against everything. Let's not even talk about the Mixed Martial Arts craze but it's certainly there. And so it goes. Violence is inbred into the culture as an accepted way of resolving all disputes. Absolutely. I have the same memories being a little kid when all I wanted for Christmas was a holster and gun with silver bullets like the Lone Ranger had. Funny thing is that back then the TV shows and movies were not anywhere near as graphic and violent as they are today. It has only become worse over the past 50-60 years. Wow. 50 or 60 years. I have to let that sink in for a bit. :-) |
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On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 22:41:35 -0500, wrote:
When Paladin shot someone, they just fell down. === If anything that was even more desensitizing than the really gory stuff. |
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