Republicans say no to American-made steel for Keystone XL

Republicans like to point to Keystone XL as one of their signature jobs
bills and, when oil prices are high, like to imply that it would mean
cheap oil flowing free in America. But Tuesday afternoon they voted down
two Democratic amendments aimed at just those issues.

Massachusetts Sen. Ed Markey's amendment to the Keystone bill would have
prohibited oil shipped through the pipeline from being exported. It was
killed by a 57 to 42 vote. Minnesota Sen. Al Franken's amendment would
have required that the pipeline be built with American steel. It was
killed by a 53 to 46 vote.

Seriously. "It's a jobs bill! It's a jobs bill!" "Okay, let's require
that it be made with American materials, creating more jobs." "Hell, no."

(Apparently when the GOP talks jobs, it is talking about jobs in Japan
or China.)

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Keyser Söze wrote:
Republicans say no to American-made steel for Keystone XL

Republicans like to point to Keystone XL as one of their signature jobs
bills and, when oil prices are high, like to imply that it would mean
cheap oil flowing free in America. But Tuesday afternoon they voted down
two Democratic amendments aimed at just those issues.

Massachusetts Sen. Ed Markey's amendment to the Keystone bill would have
prohibited oil shipped through the pipeline from being exported. It was
killed by a 57 to 42 vote. Minnesota Sen. Al Franken's amendment would
have required that the pipeline be built with American steel. It was
killed by a 53 to 46 vote.

Seriously. "It's a jobs bill! It's a jobs bill!" "Okay, let's require
that it be made with American materials, creating more jobs." "Hell, no."

(Apparently when the GOP talks jobs, it is talking about jobs in Japan or China.)


Bull****. The Democrats in California, republicans do not have a voice,
let a China company, who had never built a bridge do the majority of the
manufacturing for the SF-Oakland Bay Bridge. Do not blame just the
Republicans!

Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Republicans say no to American-made steel for Keystone XL

Republicans like to point to Keystone XL as one of their signature jobs
bills and, when oil prices are high, like to imply that it would mean
cheap oil flowing free in America. But Tuesday afternoon they voted down
two Democratic amendments aimed at just those issues.

Massachusetts Sen. Ed Markey's amendment to the Keystone bill would have
prohibited oil shipped through the pipeline from being exported. It was
killed by a 57 to 42 vote. Minnesota Sen. Al Franken's amendment would
have required that the pipeline be built with American steel. It was
killed by a 53 to 46 vote.

Seriously. "It's a jobs bill! It's a jobs bill!" "Okay, let's require
that it be made with American materials, creating more jobs." "Hell, no."

(Apparently when the GOP talks jobs, it is talking about jobs in Japan or China.)


Bull****. The Democrats in California, republicans do not have a voice,
let a China company, who had never built a bridge do the majority of the
manufacturing for the SF-Oakland Bay Bridge. Do not blame just the
Republicans!

Steel for the keystone project is under discussion here.
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On 1/20/2015 7:38 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Republicans say no to American-made steel for Keystone XL

Republicans like to point to Keystone XL as one of their signature jobs
bills and, when oil prices are high, like to imply that it would mean
cheap oil flowing free in America. But Tuesday afternoon they voted down
two Democratic amendments aimed at just those issues.

Massachusetts Sen. Ed Markey's amendment to the Keystone bill would have
prohibited oil shipped through the pipeline from being exported. It was
killed by a 57 to 42 vote. Minnesota Sen. Al Franken's amendment would
have required that the pipeline be built with American steel. It was
killed by a 53 to 46 vote.

Seriously. "It's a jobs bill! It's a jobs bill!" "Okay, let's require
that it be made with American materials, creating more jobs." "Hell, no."

(Apparently when the GOP talks jobs, it is talking about jobs in Japan or China.)


Bull****. The Democrats in California, republicans do not have a voice,
let a China company, who had never built a bridge do the majority of the
manufacturing for the SF-Oakland Bay Bridge. Do not blame just the
Republicans!

Steel for the keystone project is under discussion here.



I don't think Franken's amendment is realistic. Most of the quality
steel is being produced elsewhere now-a-days and has been for years.
American manufactured steel shouldn't be excluded if it meets
specifications but steel from other, non-domestic manufacturers should
also be included in the bidding process.

As for Markey ... he's dead against the expanded pipeline anyway.
The primary purpose is to export the oil, not use or sell it in the USA.
We don't need it.

So, by virtue of those amendments the project and the jobs it creates
would be dead in the water.

On 1/20/15 7:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/20/2015 7:38 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Republicans say no to American-made steel for Keystone XL

Republicans like to point to Keystone XL as one of their signature jobs
bills and, when oil prices are high, like to imply that it would mean
cheap oil flowing free in America. But Tuesday afternoon they voted
down
two Democratic amendments aimed at just those issues.

Massachusetts Sen. Ed Markey's amendment to the Keystone bill would
have
prohibited oil shipped through the pipeline from being exported. It was
killed by a 57 to 42 vote. Minnesota Sen. Al Franken's amendment would
have required that the pipeline be built with American steel. It was
killed by a 53 to 46 vote.

Seriously. "It's a jobs bill! It's a jobs bill!" "Okay, let's require
that it be made with American materials, creating more jobs." "Hell,
no."

(Apparently when the GOP talks jobs, it is talking about jobs in
Japan or China.)


Bull****. The Democrats in California, republicans do not have a voice,
let a China company, who had never built a bridge do the majority of the
manufacturing for the SF-Oakland Bay Bridge. Do not blame just the
Republicans!

Steel for the keystone project is under discussion here.



I don't think Franken's amendment is realistic. Most of the quality
steel is being produced elsewhere now-a-days and has been for years.
American manufactured steel shouldn't be excluded if it meets
specifications but steel from other, non-domestic manufacturers should
also be included in the bidding process.

As for Markey ... he's dead against the expanded pipeline anyway.
The primary purpose is to export the oil, not use or sell it in the USA.
We don't need it.

So, by virtue of those amendments the project and the jobs it creates
would be dead in the water.



Hmmm. I remember the proponents were saying we'd use the oil here...but
no one believed them.

So, we've stopped importing oil and we can't make quality steel anymore.



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On Tuesday, January 20, 2015 at 7:56:39 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:

we can't make quality steel anymore.

Blame the unions and liberals for that one.

On 1/20/2015 7:56 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/20/15 7:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/20/2015 7:38 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Republicans say no to American-made steel for Keystone XL

Republicans like to point to Keystone XL as one of their signature
jobs
bills and, when oil prices are high, like to imply that it would mean
cheap oil flowing free in America. But Tuesday afternoon they voted
down
two Democratic amendments aimed at just those issues.

Massachusetts Sen. Ed Markey's amendment to the Keystone bill would
have
prohibited oil shipped through the pipeline from being exported. It
was
killed by a 57 to 42 vote. Minnesota Sen. Al Franken's amendment would
have required that the pipeline be built with American steel. It was
killed by a 53 to 46 vote.

Seriously. "It's a jobs bill! It's a jobs bill!" "Okay, let's require
that it be made with American materials, creating more jobs." "Hell,
no."

(Apparently when the GOP talks jobs, it is talking about jobs in
Japan or China.)


Bull****. The Democrats in California, republicans do not have a
voice,
let a China company, who had never built a bridge do the majority of
the
manufacturing for the SF-Oakland Bay Bridge. Do not blame just the
Republicans!

Steel for the keystone project is under discussion here.



I don't think Franken's amendment is realistic. Most of the quality
steel is being produced elsewhere now-a-days and has been for years.
American manufactured steel shouldn't be excluded if it meets
specifications but steel from other, non-domestic manufacturers should
also be included in the bidding process.

As for Markey ... he's dead against the expanded pipeline anyway.
The primary purpose is to export the oil, not use or sell it in the USA.
We don't need it.

So, by virtue of those amendments the project and the jobs it creates
would be dead in the water.



Hmmm. I remember the proponents were saying we'd use the oil here...but
no one believed them.

So, we've stopped importing oil and we can't make quality steel anymore.




Boy, that's a jump to conclusions.

The number of American steel manufacturers has dropped dramatically over
the years. They still exist, but even back when I bought a lot of
quality stainless steel (304 or 316) it came from overseas. Couldn't
get it domestically without a long delivery and at premium prices.

There's no market in the USA for the dirty Canadian sand oil. It's for
export.

On 1/20/15 8:43 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 19:56:36 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:


Hmmm. I remember the proponents were saying we'd use the oil here...but
no one believed them.

Anyone who said that was not very well informed. Are you listening to
fox again?


So, we've stopped importing oil and we can't make quality steel anymore.

Yes and no in that order.

We are net exporters of oil/gas and we want to expand that.

As for steel, I think we know how to make good steel but we just can't
do it as cheap as China. I also wonder if we even have the capacity to
supply that much. The same issue came up with the Alaska pipeline and
our steel business was bigger then.


I don't see where average Americans will receive direct benefits from
the pipeline.

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On 1/20/15 9:13 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 20:55:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/20/15 8:43 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 19:56:36 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:


Hmmm. I remember the proponents were saying we'd use the oil here...but
no one believed them.

Anyone who said that was not very well informed. Are you listening to
fox again?


So, we've stopped importing oil and we can't make quality steel anymore.

Yes and no in that order.

We are net exporters of oil/gas and we want to expand that.

As for steel, I think we know how to make good steel but we just can't
do it as cheap as China. I also wonder if we even have the capacity to
supply that much. The same issue came up with the Alaska pipeline and
our steel business was bigger then.


I don't see where average Americans will receive direct benefits from
the pipeline.

The average American will never see a benefit from all of these
alternate energy schemes either but there is no shortage of people on
the left who want to spend billions on them.
For the average American, it only means higher energy prices.

Do you want to talk about ethanol?


Some alternative energy programs will yield the results we want. Are you
suggest we do nothing?

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wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 19:56:36 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:


Hmmm. I remember the proponents were saying we'd use the oil here...but
no one believed them.

Anyone who said that was not very well informed. Are you listening to
fox again?


So, we've stopped importing oil and we can't make quality steel anymore.

Yes and no in that order.

We are net exporters of oil/gas and we want to expand that.

As for steel, I think we know how to make good steel but we just can't
do it as cheap as China. I also wonder if we even have the capacity to
supply that much. The same issue came up with the Alaska pipeline and
our steel business was bigger then.

EPA probably would shut down steel plant expansion.