On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 10:32:28 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/8/15 8:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 22:28:05 -0500, Someone wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:44:45 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/7/15 4:41 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:27:17 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/7/15 4:04 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 15:28:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/nb8dgjs


Nah. It's my new S&W 686 in .357 MAG with a 4" barrel. Those are
snapcaps in the chambers.
I'll have to stick with the N frame, thank you.

N frame .357s are nice, but too heavy. Now, for a larger caliber, maybe
not.
Too heavy for what? Concealed carry?

Open carry out in the woods in a holster. About 10 ounces heavier than a
686, which is also fairly heavy. I would have gone for a 686 with a 3"
barrel, but the one that came up I was offered has the 4" barrel. Still,
it is lighter than the Ruger GP100 I had and sold.
How many miles do you walk in the woods with a pistol in a holster? I can't imagine
ten ounces making a difference unless you're putting in about 40 miles a day.


My money is on ZERO...

I bought small luggage carrier to put on our bicycles. When I mentioned same to my
bicyclist brother, he commented that they added too much weight. I told him it
weighed only a little over a pound. His reply, "That's a lot of weight when you're
carrying it from here (Seattle) to Portland in a weekend."

I suppose he was right.



There are some interesting trails we hike in the Shenandoah/Skyline
area. The ones we like are not like walking around a golf course pulling
a bag of clubs in a cart. Every ounce of weight you carry on your belt
or in your pack matters sometimes. We usually do Old Rag Mountain twice
a season, starting before dawn. Perhaps you should try it and report
back here.

Yup, you're right. Pushing a golf cart five or six miles on a relatively (compared to
the Shenandoah Mountains) flat golf course would not be considered 'real' walking to
you heavy hikers!

(You're sounding almost like Luddite!)

I can see why you'd want to carry a .357 revolver on the Old Rag Mountain hike:

"The Old Rag Mountain hike in the Shenandoah National Park is one of the most popular
hikes in the mid-Atlantic region. With many spectacular panoramic views, and one of
the most challenging rock scrambles in the park, this circuit hike is a favorite of
many hikers. But be prepared for the crowds. This is the only hike we give a star
rating for solitude."

Gotta be prepared to defend against all those people, eh? This wouldn't just be a way
to show off to the families and kids, would it?
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

On 3/8/15 11:32 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 10:32:28 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/8/15 8:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 22:28:05 -0500, Someone wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:44:45 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/7/15 4:41 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:27:17 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/7/15 4:04 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 15:28:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/nb8dgjs


Nah. It's my new S&W 686 in .357 MAG with a 4" barrel. Those are
snapcaps in the chambers.
I'll have to stick with the N frame, thank you.

N frame .357s are nice, but too heavy. Now, for a larger caliber, maybe
not.
Too heavy for what? Concealed carry?

Open carry out in the woods in a holster. About 10 ounces heavier than a
686, which is also fairly heavy. I would have gone for a 686 with a 3"
barrel, but the one that came up I was offered has the 4" barrel. Still,
it is lighter than the Ruger GP100 I had and sold.
How many miles do you walk in the woods with a pistol in a holster? I can't imagine
ten ounces making a difference unless you're putting in about 40 miles a day.


My money is on ZERO...

I bought small luggage carrier to put on our bicycles. When I mentioned same to my
bicyclist brother, he commented that they added too much weight. I told him it
weighed only a little over a pound. His reply, "That's a lot of weight when you're
carrying it from here (Seattle) to Portland in a weekend."

I suppose he was right.



There are some interesting trails we hike in the Shenandoah/Skyline
area. The ones we like are not like walking around a golf course pulling
a bag of clubs in a cart. Every ounce of weight you carry on your belt
or in your pack matters sometimes. We usually do Old Rag Mountain twice
a season, starting before dawn. Perhaps you should try it and report
back here.

Yup, you're right. Pushing a golf cart five or six miles on a relatively (compared to
the Shenandoah Mountains) flat golf course would not be considered 'real' walking to
you heavy hikers!

(You're sounding almost like Luddite!)

I can see why you'd want to carry a .357 revolver on the Old Rag Mountain hike:

"The Old Rag Mountain hike in the Shenandoah National Park is one of the most popular
hikes in the mid-Atlantic region. With many spectacular panoramic views, and one of
the most challenging rock scrambles in the park, this circuit hike is a favorite of
many hikers. But be prepared for the crowds. This is the only hike we give a star
rating for solitude."

Gotta be prepared to defend against all those people, eh? This wouldn't just be a way
to show off to the families and kids, would it?



We do that one in the early spring and late fall, and only occasionally
encounter other hikers, and rarely others with small kids.

Probably not a hike for you, what with all your surgeries and
disabilities.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 11:41:44 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/8/15 11:32 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 10:32:28 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/8/15 8:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 22:28:05 -0500, Someone wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:44:45 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/7/15 4:41 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:27:17 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/7/15 4:04 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 15:28:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/nb8dgjs


Nah. It's my new S&W 686 in .357 MAG with a 4" barrel. Those are
snapcaps in the chambers.
I'll have to stick with the N frame, thank you.

N frame .357s are nice, but too heavy. Now, for a larger caliber, maybe
not.
Too heavy for what? Concealed carry?

Open carry out in the woods in a holster. About 10 ounces heavier than a
686, which is also fairly heavy. I would have gone for a 686 with a 3"
barrel, but the one that came up I was offered has the 4" barrel. Still,
it is lighter than the Ruger GP100 I had and sold.
How many miles do you walk in the woods with a pistol in a holster? I can't imagine
ten ounces making a difference unless you're putting in about 40 miles a day.


My money is on ZERO...

I bought small luggage carrier to put on our bicycles. When I mentioned same to my
bicyclist brother, he commented that they added too much weight. I told him it
weighed only a little over a pound. His reply, "That's a lot of weight when you're
carrying it from here (Seattle) to Portland in a weekend."

I suppose he was right.



There are some interesting trails we hike in the Shenandoah/Skyline
area. The ones we like are not like walking around a golf course pulling
a bag of clubs in a cart. Every ounce of weight you carry on your belt
or in your pack matters sometimes. We usually do Old Rag Mountain twice
a season, starting before dawn. Perhaps you should try it and report
back here.

Yup, you're right. Pushing a golf cart five or six miles on a relatively (compared to
the Shenandoah Mountains) flat golf course would not be considered 'real' walking to
you heavy hikers!

(You're sounding almost like Luddite!)

I can see why you'd want to carry a .357 revolver on the Old Rag Mountain hike:

"The Old Rag Mountain hike in the Shenandoah National Park is one of the most popular
hikes in the mid-Atlantic region. With many spectacular panoramic views, and one of
the most challenging rock scrambles in the park, this circuit hike is a favorite of
many hikers. But be prepared for the crowds. This is the only hike we give a star
rating for solitude."

Gotta be prepared to defend against all those people, eh? This wouldn't just be a way
to show off to the families and kids, would it?



We do that one in the early spring and late fall, and only occasionally
encounter other hikers, and rarely others with small kids.

Probably not a hike for you, what with all your surgeries and
disabilities.

How's your back? Sore? Red?
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

On 3/8/15 11:49 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 11:41:44 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/8/15 11:32 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 10:32:28 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/8/15 8:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 22:28:05 -0500, Someone wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:44:45 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/7/15 4:41 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:27:17 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/7/15 4:04 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 15:28:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/nb8dgjs


Nah. It's my new S&W 686 in .357 MAG with a 4" barrel. Those are
snapcaps in the chambers.
I'll have to stick with the N frame, thank you.

N frame .357s are nice, but too heavy. Now, for a larger caliber, maybe
not.
Too heavy for what? Concealed carry?

Open carry out in the woods in a holster. About 10 ounces heavier than a
686, which is also fairly heavy. I would have gone for a 686 with a 3"
barrel, but the one that came up I was offered has the 4" barrel. Still,
it is lighter than the Ruger GP100 I had and sold.
How many miles do you walk in the woods with a pistol in a holster? I can't imagine
ten ounces making a difference unless you're putting in about 40 miles a day.


My money is on ZERO...

I bought small luggage carrier to put on our bicycles. When I mentioned same to my
bicyclist brother, he commented that they added too much weight. I told him it
weighed only a little over a pound. His reply, "That's a lot of weight when you're
carrying it from here (Seattle) to Portland in a weekend."

I suppose he was right.



There are some interesting trails we hike in the Shenandoah/Skyline
area. The ones we like are not like walking around a golf course pulling
a bag of clubs in a cart. Every ounce of weight you carry on your belt
or in your pack matters sometimes. We usually do Old Rag Mountain twice
a season, starting before dawn. Perhaps you should try it and report
back here.

Yup, you're right. Pushing a golf cart five or six miles on a relatively (compared to
the Shenandoah Mountains) flat golf course would not be considered 'real' walking to
you heavy hikers!

(You're sounding almost like Luddite!)

I can see why you'd want to carry a .357 revolver on the Old Rag Mountain hike:

"The Old Rag Mountain hike in the Shenandoah National Park is one of the most popular
hikes in the mid-Atlantic region. With many spectacular panoramic views, and one of
the most challenging rock scrambles in the park, this circuit hike is a favorite of
many hikers. But be prepared for the crowds. This is the only hike we give a star
rating for solitude."

Gotta be prepared to defend against all those people, eh? This wouldn't just be a way
to show off to the families and kids, would it?



We do that one in the early spring and late fall, and only occasionally
encounter other hikers, and rarely others with small kids.

Probably not a hike for you, what with all your surgeries and
disabilities.

How's your back? Sore? Red?



D'oh.

Usually, it is my upper legs that get sore from those hikes, but I know
that's not what you mean.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

On 3/8/2015 12:06 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/8/15 11:49 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 11:41:44 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/8/15 11:32 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 10:32:28 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/8/15 8:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 22:28:05 -0500, Someone
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:44:45 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/7/15 4:41 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:27:17 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/7/15 4:04 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 15:28:11 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/nb8dgjs


Nah. It's my new S&W 686 in .357 MAG with a 4" barrel.
Those are
snapcaps in the chambers.
I'll have to stick with the N frame, thank you.

N frame .357s are nice, but too heavy. Now, for a larger
caliber, maybe
not.
Too heavy for what? Concealed carry?

Open carry out in the woods in a holster. About 10 ounces
heavier than a
686, which is also fairly heavy. I would have gone for a 686
with a 3"
barrel, but the one that came up I was offered has the 4"
barrel. Still,
it is lighter than the Ruger GP100 I had and sold.
How many miles do you walk in the woods with a pistol in a
holster? I can't imagine
ten ounces making a difference unless you're putting in about 40
miles a day.


My money is on ZERO...

I bought small luggage carrier to put on our bicycles. When I
mentioned same to my
bicyclist brother, he commented that they added too much weight. I
told him it
weighed only a little over a pound. His reply, "That's a lot of
weight when you're
carrying it from here (Seattle) to Portland in a weekend."

I suppose he was right.



There are some interesting trails we hike in the Shenandoah/Skyline
area. The ones we like are not like walking around a golf course
pulling
a bag of clubs in a cart. Every ounce of weight you carry on your belt
or in your pack matters sometimes. We usually do Old Rag Mountain
twice
a season, starting before dawn. Perhaps you should try it and report
back here.

Yup, you're right. Pushing a golf cart five or six miles on a
relatively (compared to
the Shenandoah Mountains) flat golf course would not be considered
'real' walking to
you heavy hikers!

(You're sounding almost like Luddite!)

I can see why you'd want to carry a .357 revolver on the Old Rag
Mountain hike:

"The Old Rag Mountain hike in the Shenandoah National Park is one of
the most popular
hikes in the mid-Atlantic region. With many spectacular panoramic
views, and one of
the most challenging rock scrambles in the park, this circuit hike
is a favorite of
many hikers. But be prepared for the crowds. This is the only hike
we give a star
rating for solitude."

Gotta be prepared to defend against all those people, eh? This
wouldn't just be a way
to show off to the families and kids, would it?



We do that one in the early spring and late fall, and only occasionally
encounter other hikers, and rarely others with small kids.

Probably not a hike for you, what with all your surgeries and
disabilities.

How's your back? Sore? Red?



D'oh.

Usually, it is my upper legs that get sore from those hikes, but I know
that's not what you mean.

If you'd shed a few pounds, walking would be easier for you.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 10:32:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

There are some interesting trails we hike in the Shenandoah/Skyline
area. The ones we like are not like walking around a golf course pulling
a bag of clubs in a cart. Every ounce of weight you carry on your belt
or in your pack matters sometimes. We usually do Old Rag Mountain twice
a season, starting before dawn. Perhaps you should try it and report
back here.

===

You should spend more time out there.

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:12:26 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 3/8/2015 12:06 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/8/15 11:49 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 11:41:44 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/8/15 11:32 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 10:32:28 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/8/15 8:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 22:28:05 -0500, Someone
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:44:45 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/7/15 4:41 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:27:17 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/7/15 4:04 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 15:28:11 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/nb8dgjs


Nah. It's my new S&W 686 in .357 MAG with a 4" barrel.
Those are
snapcaps in the chambers.
I'll have to stick with the N frame, thank you.

N frame .357s are nice, but too heavy. Now, for a larger
caliber, maybe
not.
Too heavy for what? Concealed carry?

Open carry out in the woods in a holster. About 10 ounces
heavier than a
686, which is also fairly heavy. I would have gone for a 686
with a 3"
barrel, but the one that came up I was offered has the 4"
barrel. Still,
it is lighter than the Ruger GP100 I had and sold.
How many miles do you walk in the woods with a pistol in a
holster? I can't imagine
ten ounces making a difference unless you're putting in about 40
miles a day.


My money is on ZERO...

I bought small luggage carrier to put on our bicycles. When I
mentioned same to my
bicyclist brother, he commented that they added too much weight. I
told him it
weighed only a little over a pound. His reply, "That's a lot of
weight when you're
carrying it from here (Seattle) to Portland in a weekend."

I suppose he was right.



There are some interesting trails we hike in the Shenandoah/Skyline
area. The ones we like are not like walking around a golf course
pulling
a bag of clubs in a cart. Every ounce of weight you carry on your belt
or in your pack matters sometimes. We usually do Old Rag Mountain
twice
a season, starting before dawn. Perhaps you should try it and report
back here.

Yup, you're right. Pushing a golf cart five or six miles on a
relatively (compared to
the Shenandoah Mountains) flat golf course would not be considered
'real' walking to
you heavy hikers!

(You're sounding almost like Luddite!)

I can see why you'd want to carry a .357 revolver on the Old Rag
Mountain hike:

"The Old Rag Mountain hike in the Shenandoah National Park is one of
the most popular
hikes in the mid-Atlantic region. With many spectacular panoramic
views, and one of
the most challenging rock scrambles in the park, this circuit hike
is a favorite of
many hikers. But be prepared for the crowds. This is the only hike
we give a star
rating for solitude."

Gotta be prepared to defend against all those people, eh? This
wouldn't just be a way
to show off to the families and kids, would it?



We do that one in the early spring and late fall, and only occasionally
encounter other hikers, and rarely others with small kids.

Probably not a hike for you, what with all your surgeries and
disabilities.

How's your back? Sore? Red?



D'oh.

Usually, it is my upper legs that get sore from those hikes, but I know
that's not what you mean.

If you'd shed a few pounds, walking would be easier for you.

Hey, he only does it twice a year, starting before dawn for six hour eight mile hike.
He should be OK, as long as he doesn't get run over by kids running their way up the
trail.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

On 3/8/15 12:54 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:12:26 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 3/8/2015 12:06 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/8/15 11:49 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 11:41:44 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/8/15 11:32 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 10:32:28 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/8/15 8:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 22:28:05 -0500, Someone
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:44:45 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/7/15 4:41 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:27:17 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/7/15 4:04 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 15:28:11 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/nb8dgjs


Nah. It's my new S&W 686 in .357 MAG with a 4" barrel.
Those are
snapcaps in the chambers.
I'll have to stick with the N frame, thank you.

N frame .357s are nice, but too heavy. Now, for a larger
caliber, maybe
not.
Too heavy for what? Concealed carry?

Open carry out in the woods in a holster. About 10 ounces
heavier than a
686, which is also fairly heavy. I would have gone for a 686
with a 3"
barrel, but the one that came up I was offered has the 4"
barrel. Still,
it is lighter than the Ruger GP100 I had and sold.
How many miles do you walk in the woods with a pistol in a
holster? I can't imagine
ten ounces making a difference unless you're putting in about 40
miles a day.


My money is on ZERO...

I bought small luggage carrier to put on our bicycles. When I
mentioned same to my
bicyclist brother, he commented that they added too much weight. I
told him it
weighed only a little over a pound. His reply, "That's a lot of
weight when you're
carrying it from here (Seattle) to Portland in a weekend."

I suppose he was right.



There are some interesting trails we hike in the Shenandoah/Skyline
area. The ones we like are not like walking around a golf course
pulling
a bag of clubs in a cart. Every ounce of weight you carry on your belt
or in your pack matters sometimes. We usually do Old Rag Mountain
twice
a season, starting before dawn. Perhaps you should try it and report
back here.

Yup, you're right. Pushing a golf cart five or six miles on a
relatively (compared to
the Shenandoah Mountains) flat golf course would not be considered
'real' walking to
you heavy hikers!

(You're sounding almost like Luddite!)

I can see why you'd want to carry a .357 revolver on the Old Rag
Mountain hike:

"The Old Rag Mountain hike in the Shenandoah National Park is one of
the most popular
hikes in the mid-Atlantic region. With many spectacular panoramic
views, and one of
the most challenging rock scrambles in the park, this circuit hike
is a favorite of
many hikers. But be prepared for the crowds. This is the only hike
we give a star
rating for solitude."

Gotta be prepared to defend against all those people, eh? This
wouldn't just be a way
to show off to the families and kids, would it?



We do that one in the early spring and late fall, and only occasionally
encounter other hikers, and rarely others with small kids.

Probably not a hike for you, what with all your surgeries and
disabilities.

How's your back? Sore? Red?



D'oh.

Usually, it is my upper legs that get sore from those hikes, but I know
that's not what you mean.

If you'd shed a few pounds, walking would be easier for you.

Hey, he only does it twice a year, starting before dawn for six hour eight mile hike.
He should be OK, as long as he doesn't get run over by kids running their way up the
trail.



There's nothing quite like the lack of reading comprehension skills
among you righties. Indeed, We usually do Old Rag Mountain
twice a season, starting before dawn. Nowhere in that phrase is it
stated or implied that is the only trail hiking we do. Also, as I
stated, you should try it and report back here, or have your survivors
do so.


--
Proud to be a Liberal.

On 3/8/15 2:07 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:54:05 -0400, John H.
wrote:


Hey, he only does it twice a year, starting before dawn for six hour eight mile hike.
He should be OK, as long as he doesn't get run over by kids running their way up the
trail.

We set up a little agility trail behind the house to stay in shape for
our vacations although my wife's phone says she is walking 10,000,
12,000 steps a day. It is all flat land tho.
Way back when, Seaboard Railroad owned the right of way behind my
house and they piled up quite a berm for a trestle above the Estero
River so it makes a great training hill. The grade is over 100% (more
rise than run)


Since neither you nor Herring have done the trail I mentioned, your
comments about it are just silly.

I suspect this might be the outcome for either of you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhhRajRxoyI

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 13:31:56 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 11:32:04 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 10:32:28 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/8/15 8:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 22:28:05 -0500, Someone wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:44:45 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/7/15 4:41 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:27:17 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/7/15 4:04 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 15:28:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/nb8dgjs


Nah. It's my new S&W 686 in .357 MAG with a 4" barrel. Those are
snapcaps in the chambers.
I'll have to stick with the N frame, thank you.

N frame .357s are nice, but too heavy. Now, for a larger caliber, maybe
not.
Too heavy for what? Concealed carry?

Open carry out in the woods in a holster. About 10 ounces heavier than a
686, which is also fairly heavy. I would have gone for a 686 with a 3"
barrel, but the one that came up I was offered has the 4" barrel. Still,
it is lighter than the Ruger GP100 I had and sold.
How many miles do you walk in the woods with a pistol in a holster? I can't imagine
ten ounces making a difference unless you're putting in about 40 miles a day.


My money is on ZERO...

I bought small luggage carrier to put on our bicycles. When I mentioned same to my
bicyclist brother, he commented that they added too much weight. I told him it
weighed only a little over a pound. His reply, "That's a lot of weight when you're
carrying it from here (Seattle) to Portland in a weekend."

I suppose he was right.



There are some interesting trails we hike in the Shenandoah/Skyline
area. The ones we like are not like walking around a golf course pulling
a bag of clubs in a cart. Every ounce of weight you carry on your belt
or in your pack matters sometimes. We usually do Old Rag Mountain twice
a season, starting before dawn. Perhaps you should try it and report
back here.

Yup, you're right. Pushing a golf cart five or six miles on a relatively (compared to
the Shenandoah Mountains) flat golf course would not be considered 'real' walking to
you heavy hikers!

(You're sounding almost like Luddite!)

I can see why you'd want to carry a .357 revolver on the Old Rag Mountain hike:

"The Old Rag Mountain hike in the Shenandoah National Park is one of the most popular
hikes in the mid-Atlantic region. With many spectacular panoramic views, and one of
the most challenging rock scrambles in the park, this circuit hike is a favorite of
many hikers. But be prepared for the crowds. This is the only hike we give a star
rating for solitude."

Gotta be prepared to defend against all those people, eh? This wouldn't just be a way
to show off to the families and kids, would it?

We drove by it and couldn't find a parking space.

That is not our kind of hike anyway.
We like a 5-8 mile walk where we don't see anyone else.
We had to get to this trail on a boat and we were alone.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg

http://dnr.alaska.gov/parks/units/kbay/kbayl.htm

I still didn't think I needed a gun

Looked a lot like Mendenhall Glacier by Juneau.

http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/med...ll-glacier.jpg
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