On 3/8/15 7:07 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:16:36 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/8/15 2:07 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:54:05 -0400, John H.
wrote:


Hey, he only does it twice a year, starting before dawn for six hour eight mile hike.
He should be OK, as long as he doesn't get run over by kids running their way up the
trail.

We set up a little agility trail behind the house to stay in shape for
our vacations although my wife's phone says she is walking 10,000,
12,000 steps a day. It is all flat land tho.
Way back when, Seaboard Railroad owned the right of way behind my
house and they piled up quite a berm for a trestle above the Estero
River so it makes a great training hill. The grade is over 100% (more
rise than run)


Since neither you nor Herring have done the trail I mentioned, your
comments about it are just silly.

I suspect this might be the outcome for either of you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhhRajRxoyI


The point was that it was too lame for us.


Right...especially the rock climbing parts...

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 19:35:44 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/8/15 7:07 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:16:36 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/8/15 2:07 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:54:05 -0400, John H.
wrote:


Hey, he only does it twice a year, starting before dawn for six hour eight mile hike.
He should be OK, as long as he doesn't get run over by kids running their way up the
trail.

We set up a little agility trail behind the house to stay in shape for
our vacations although my wife's phone says she is walking 10,000,
12,000 steps a day. It is all flat land tho.
Way back when, Seaboard Railroad owned the right of way behind my
house and they piled up quite a berm for a trestle above the Estero
River so it makes a great training hill. The grade is over 100% (more
rise than run)


Since neither you nor Herring have done the trail I mentioned, your
comments about it are just silly.

I suspect this might be the outcome for either of you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhhRajRxoyI


The point was that it was too lame for us.


Right...especially the rock climbing parts...

Kids do it.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 19:35:44 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/8/15 7:07 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:16:36 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/8/15 2:07 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:54:05 -0400, John H.
wrote:


Hey, he only does it twice a year, starting before dawn for six hour eight mile hike.
He should be OK, as long as he doesn't get run over by kids running their way up the
trail.

We set up a little agility trail behind the house to stay in shape for
our vacations although my wife's phone says she is walking 10,000,
12,000 steps a day. It is all flat land tho.
Way back when, Seaboard Railroad owned the right of way behind my
house and they piled up quite a berm for a trestle above the Estero
River so it makes a great training hill. The grade is over 100% (more
rise than run)


Since neither you nor Herring have done the trail I mentioned, your
comments about it are just silly.

I suspect this might be the outcome for either of you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhhRajRxoyI


The point was that it was too lame for us.


Right...especially the rock climbing parts...

Kids do it.

Some kids are agile and limber. You aren't.
--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:59:22 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:29:18 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:15:02 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 15:14:52 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:22:28 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 13:31:56 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 11:32:04 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 10:32:28 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/8/15 8:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 22:28:05 -0500, Someone wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:44:45 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/7/15 4:41 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:27:17 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/7/15 4:04 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 15:28:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/nb8dgjs


Nah. It's my new S&W 686 in .357 MAG with a 4" barrel. Those are
snapcaps in the chambers.
I'll have to stick with the N frame, thank you.

N frame .357s are nice, but too heavy. Now, for a larger caliber, maybe
not.
Too heavy for what? Concealed carry?

Open carry out in the woods in a holster. About 10 ounces heavier than a
686, which is also fairly heavy. I would have gone for a 686 with a 3"
barrel, but the one that came up I was offered has the 4" barrel. Still,
it is lighter than the Ruger GP100 I had and sold.
How many miles do you walk in the woods with a pistol in a holster? I can't imagine
ten ounces making a difference unless you're putting in about 40 miles a day.


My money is on ZERO...

I bought small luggage carrier to put on our bicycles. When I mentioned same to my
bicyclist brother, he commented that they added too much weight. I told him it
weighed only a little over a pound. His reply, "That's a lot of weight when you're
carrying it from here (Seattle) to Portland in a weekend."

I suppose he was right.



There are some interesting trails we hike in the Shenandoah/Skyline
area. The ones we like are not like walking around a golf course pulling
a bag of clubs in a cart. Every ounce of weight you carry on your belt
or in your pack matters sometimes. We usually do Old Rag Mountain twice
a season, starting before dawn. Perhaps you should try it and report
back here.

Yup, you're right. Pushing a golf cart five or six miles on a relatively (compared to
the Shenandoah Mountains) flat golf course would not be considered 'real' walking to
you heavy hikers!

(You're sounding almost like Luddite!)

I can see why you'd want to carry a .357 revolver on the Old Rag Mountain hike:

"The Old Rag Mountain hike in the Shenandoah National Park is one of the most popular
hikes in the mid-Atlantic region. With many spectacular panoramic views, and one of
the most challenging rock scrambles in the park, this circuit hike is a favorite of
many hikers. But be prepared for the crowds. This is the only hike we give a star
rating for solitude."

Gotta be prepared to defend against all those people, eh? This wouldn't just be a way
to show off to the families and kids, would it?

We drove by it and couldn't find a parking space.

That is not our kind of hike anyway.
We like a 5-8 mile walk where we don't see anyone else.
We had to get to this trail on a boat and we were alone.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg

http://dnr.alaska.gov/parks/units/kbay/kbayl.htm

I still didn't think I needed a gun

Looked a lot like Mendenhall Glacier by Juneau.

http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/med...ll-glacier.jpg

===

We took a helicopter ride from Juneau to a spot on the top of the
Mendenhall, up in the valley above that lake. We were able to hike
around on the glacier for an hour or so. It was an interesting
experience and a great view. The irisidescent blue color that old ice
develops in the crevices is really spectacular.

We didn't have time for the helicopter jaunt. The Disney ship had changed the
departure port from Vancouver, Canada, to Seattle, WA. This made boarding and such
much easier for us as I have a brother living there. But, the extra sailing time was
subtracted from some of the stops. I won't ever do that cruise again, but if I did,
I'd want to go out of Vancouver.

===

It was recommended to us that we do the reverse route where you fly
into Fairbanks, work your way south on the bus and train tour, and
then board the cruise ship in Whittier for the ride south to
Vancouver. It worked out very well and the weather was great even
though there was still snow on the ground in Fairbanks.

That's what I'd do next time. Did you set that up with a travel agency, cruise line,
or do it yourself?

===

If I recall correctly Princess Cruises did all the heavy lifting. They
were very well organized and all of our excursions and connections
came off without a hitch.

https://book.princess.com/html/global/destinations/alaska/

On 3/9/2015 2:25 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 19:35:44 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/8/15 7:07 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:16:36 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/8/15 2:07 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:54:05 -0400, John H.
wrote:


Hey, he only does it twice a year, starting before dawn for six hour eight mile hike.
He should be OK, as long as he doesn't get run over by kids running their way up the
trail.

We set up a little agility trail behind the house to stay in shape for
our vacations although my wife's phone says she is walking 10,000,
12,000 steps a day. It is all flat land tho.
Way back when, Seaboard Railroad owned the right of way behind my
house and they piled up quite a berm for a trestle above the Estero
River so it makes a great training hill. The grade is over 100% (more
rise than run)


Since neither you nor Herring have done the trail I mentioned, your
comments about it are just silly.

I suspect this might be the outcome for either of you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhhRajRxoyI


The point was that it was too lame for us.


Right...especially the rock climbing parts...

Rock scrambling, not climbing. Big difference.
We have been on plenty of trails where you are scrambling over big
rocks.

Harry has no trouble making mountains out of molehills.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On 9 Mar 2015 01:03:20 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 19:35:44 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/8/15 7:07 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:16:36 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/8/15 2:07 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:54:05 -0400, John H.
wrote:


Hey, he only does it twice a year, starting before dawn for six hour eight mile hike.
He should be OK, as long as he doesn't get run over by kids running their way up the
trail.

We set up a little agility trail behind the house to stay in shape for
our vacations although my wife's phone says she is walking 10,000,
12,000 steps a day. It is all flat land tho.
Way back when, Seaboard Railroad owned the right of way behind my
house and they piled up quite a berm for a trestle above the Estero
River so it makes a great training hill. The grade is over 100% (more
rise than run)


Since neither you nor Herring have done the trail I mentioned, your
comments about it are just silly.

I suspect this might be the outcome for either of you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhhRajRxoyI


The point was that it was too lame for us.


Right...especially the rock climbing parts...

Kids do it.

Some kids are agile and limber. You aren't.

Fat kids do it.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 23:50:08 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:59:22 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:29:18 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:15:02 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 15:14:52 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:22:28 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 13:31:56 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 11:32:04 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 10:32:28 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/8/15 8:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 22:28:05 -0500, Someone wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:44:45 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/7/15 4:41 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:27:17 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/7/15 4:04 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 15:28:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/nb8dgjs


Nah. It's my new S&W 686 in .357 MAG with a 4" barrel. Those are
snapcaps in the chambers.
I'll have to stick with the N frame, thank you.

N frame .357s are nice, but too heavy. Now, for a larger caliber, maybe
not.
Too heavy for what? Concealed carry?

Open carry out in the woods in a holster. About 10 ounces heavier than a
686, which is also fairly heavy. I would have gone for a 686 with a 3"
barrel, but the one that came up I was offered has the 4" barrel. Still,
it is lighter than the Ruger GP100 I had and sold.
How many miles do you walk in the woods with a pistol in a holster? I can't imagine
ten ounces making a difference unless you're putting in about 40 miles a day.


My money is on ZERO...

I bought small luggage carrier to put on our bicycles. When I mentioned same to my
bicyclist brother, he commented that they added too much weight. I told him it
weighed only a little over a pound. His reply, "That's a lot of weight when you're
carrying it from here (Seattle) to Portland in a weekend."

I suppose he was right.



There are some interesting trails we hike in the Shenandoah/Skyline
area. The ones we like are not like walking around a golf course pulling
a bag of clubs in a cart. Every ounce of weight you carry on your belt
or in your pack matters sometimes. We usually do Old Rag Mountain twice
a season, starting before dawn. Perhaps you should try it and report
back here.

Yup, you're right. Pushing a golf cart five or six miles on a relatively (compared to
the Shenandoah Mountains) flat golf course would not be considered 'real' walking to
you heavy hikers!

(You're sounding almost like Luddite!)

I can see why you'd want to carry a .357 revolver on the Old Rag Mountain hike:

"The Old Rag Mountain hike in the Shenandoah National Park is one of the most popular
hikes in the mid-Atlantic region. With many spectacular panoramic views, and one of
the most challenging rock scrambles in the park, this circuit hike is a favorite of
many hikers. But be prepared for the crowds. This is the only hike we give a star
rating for solitude."

Gotta be prepared to defend against all those people, eh? This wouldn't just be a way
to show off to the families and kids, would it?

We drove by it and couldn't find a parking space.

That is not our kind of hike anyway.
We like a 5-8 mile walk where we don't see anyone else.
We had to get to this trail on a boat and we were alone.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg

http://dnr.alaska.gov/parks/units/kbay/kbayl.htm

I still didn't think I needed a gun

Looked a lot like Mendenhall Glacier by Juneau.

http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/med...ll-glacier.jpg

===

We took a helicopter ride from Juneau to a spot on the top of the
Mendenhall, up in the valley above that lake. We were able to hike
around on the glacier for an hour or so. It was an interesting
experience and a great view. The irisidescent blue color that old ice
develops in the crevices is really spectacular.

We didn't have time for the helicopter jaunt. The Disney ship had changed the
departure port from Vancouver, Canada, to Seattle, WA. This made boarding and such
much easier for us as I have a brother living there. But, the extra sailing time was
subtracted from some of the stops. I won't ever do that cruise again, but if I did,
I'd want to go out of Vancouver.

===

It was recommended to us that we do the reverse route where you fly
into Fairbanks, work your way south on the bus and train tour, and
then board the cruise ship in Whittier for the ride south to
Vancouver. It worked out very well and the weather was great even
though there was still snow on the ground in Fairbanks.

That's what I'd do next time. Did you set that up with a travel agency, cruise line,
or do it yourself?

===

If I recall correctly Princess Cruises did all the heavy lifting. They
were very well organized and all of our excursions and connections
came off without a hitch.

https://book.princess.com/html/global/destinations/alaska/

Thanks. Do you remember which ship? I see some things are 'exceptions' on some of
their ships.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 08:27:50 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 3/9/2015 2:25 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 19:35:44 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/8/15 7:07 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:16:36 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/8/15 2:07 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:54:05 -0400, John H.
wrote:


Hey, he only does it twice a year, starting before dawn for six hour eight mile hike.
He should be OK, as long as he doesn't get run over by kids running their way up the
trail.

We set up a little agility trail behind the house to stay in shape for
our vacations although my wife's phone says she is walking 10,000,
12,000 steps a day. It is all flat land tho.
Way back when, Seaboard Railroad owned the right of way behind my
house and they piled up quite a berm for a trestle above the Estero
River so it makes a great training hill. The grade is over 100% (more
rise than run)


Since neither you nor Herring have done the trail I mentioned, your
comments about it are just silly.

I suspect this might be the outcome for either of you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhhRajRxoyI


The point was that it was too lame for us.


Right...especially the rock climbing parts...

Rock scrambling, not climbing. Big difference.
We have been on plenty of trails where you are scrambling over big
rocks.

Harry has no trouble making mountains out of molehills.

LOL!
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:29:18 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:



It was recommended to us that we do the reverse route where you fly
into Fairbanks, work your way south on the bus and train tour, and
then board the cruise ship in Whittier for the ride south to
Vancouver. It worked out very well and the weather was great even
though there was still snow on the ground in Fairbanks.

We flew into Fairbanks, rented a van and drove around for 3 weeks,
flying out of Anchorage.

After driving to Alaska. I would fly in and rent a 4x4 camper. As there
were places where lodging was very scarce. That way you have sleeping
accommodations when no hotel or motel is available. Do not have to sleep
in the camper if near a nice hotel.

On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 16:22:56 -0500, Califbill wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:29:18 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:



It was recommended to us that we do the reverse route where you fly
into Fairbanks, work your way south on the bus and train tour, and
then board the cruise ship in Whittier for the ride south to
Vancouver. It worked out very well and the weather was great even
though there was still snow on the ground in Fairbanks.

We flew into Fairbanks, rented a van and drove around for 3 weeks,
flying out of Anchorage.

After driving to Alaska. I would fly in and rent a 4x4 camper. As there
were places where lodging was very scarce. That way you have sleeping
accommodations when no hotel or motel is available. Do not have to sleep
in the camper if near a nice hotel.

Or drag a 5th wheeler up there and hang out for a while. Some friends here did that.
Spent about ten weeks traveling and seeing sights across the US, into Canada, and on
into Alaska. It's one of those things we think about occasionally.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.