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On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:17:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/23/2015 8:29 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:38:20 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 5:20 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 15:02:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: All depends on who is the replacement. I don't see Hillary as having what it takes. She'll be too busy ducking answers to questions and asking why we don't simply respect the fact that she's the first woman president. If this was not such a corrupt government and so many scams going on, I would suggest a 20 cent hike in the gasoline tax that went for absolutely NOTHING BUT fixing roads and bridges. The thing that prevents me form being serious about it, is how badly the government is in spending money like this on what they were supposed to be collecting it for. In states like Florida, it would actually go into the roads but up north, where they really need infrastructure improvements, the money gets siphoned off into totally unrelated programs. That is why Florida only has around 2% of their bridges in trouble and that is up in the double digits in California, New York and the North East states. Wrong. The reason is that Florida doesn't have a freeze-thaw cycle that lasts half the year, it seems, as the northeast states do. *That* and the salt are the killers of road infrastructure. There is plenty of salt here. Most of the bridges go over salt water. Freeze thaw can be an issue but not if the road is properly engineered. Usually frost heaves are when they did a quicky patch last time. Water gets under the patch and blows it out when it freezes. It is still undeniable that the places with the biggest road and bridge problems have diverted road building money to other things like trains people won't ride or simply to patch other holes in their budget instead of patching holes in the bridge. I doubt very much that the bridges in Florida are subjected to the amount of salt corrosion that the bridges up here are subjected to. Down there you get plenty of rain that rinses any salt spray that wind might deposit on them. Up here the salting starts with the first freezing sleet or snow and continues all winter. It's only swept up in the spring. They sweep the roads to get the salt mix up? Down here it washes off with the rain or melting snow, but I've never seen it swept. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On 3/24/2015 6:52 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:17:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/23/2015 8:29 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:38:20 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 5:20 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 15:02:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: All depends on who is the replacement. I don't see Hillary as having what it takes. She'll be too busy ducking answers to questions and asking why we don't simply respect the fact that she's the first woman president. If this was not such a corrupt government and so many scams going on, I would suggest a 20 cent hike in the gasoline tax that went for absolutely NOTHING BUT fixing roads and bridges. The thing that prevents me form being serious about it, is how badly the government is in spending money like this on what they were supposed to be collecting it for. In states like Florida, it would actually go into the roads but up north, where they really need infrastructure improvements, the money gets siphoned off into totally unrelated programs. That is why Florida only has around 2% of their bridges in trouble and that is up in the double digits in California, New York and the North East states. Wrong. The reason is that Florida doesn't have a freeze-thaw cycle that lasts half the year, it seems, as the northeast states do. *That* and the salt are the killers of road infrastructure. There is plenty of salt here. Most of the bridges go over salt water. Freeze thaw can be an issue but not if the road is properly engineered. Usually frost heaves are when they did a quicky patch last time. Water gets under the patch and blows it out when it freezes. It is still undeniable that the places with the biggest road and bridge problems have diverted road building money to other things like trains people won't ride or simply to patch other holes in their budget instead of patching holes in the bridge. I doubt very much that the bridges in Florida are subjected to the amount of salt corrosion that the bridges up here are subjected to. Down there you get plenty of rain that rinses any salt spray that wind might deposit on them. Up here the salting starts with the first freezing sleet or snow and continues all winter. It's only swept up in the spring. They sweep the roads to get the salt mix up? Down here it washes off with the rain or melting snow, but I've never seen it swept. I am sure much of it washes away into storm drains but every spring the town and state highway departments are out with the big street sweepers, picking up what is left. It's recycled and used again. In areas where you get a lot of snow the first thing that is done in a storm is treating the roadways, overpasses and bridges with treated sand. Bridges and overpasses are important because they will freeze before the roadways. Then, as it snows the mess is plowed to the side and the treated sand is applied again. This will happen many times during a major storm and the sand and salt in the plowed snow piles stays there until there's a major melt. We still have 3 4 foot snow banks on all the roads up here from the storms we had in January and February. The corrosive sand and salt mixture just sits there for weeks and months. I think Greg forgets that I spent three winters living in Florida where there were many bridges and overpasses. I never saw sand blasting and repainting of any of them. I am sure it happens from time to time but not to the extent that you see in the northeast. During the summer months there are crews out constantly sand blasting and repainting the bridge and overpass structures. |
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On 3/24/15 7:20 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/24/2015 6:52 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:17:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/23/2015 8:29 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:38:20 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 5:20 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 15:02:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: All depends on who is the replacement. I don't see Hillary as having what it takes. She'll be too busy ducking answers to questions and asking why we don't simply respect the fact that she's the first woman president. If this was not such a corrupt government and so many scams going on, I would suggest a 20 cent hike in the gasoline tax that went for absolutely NOTHING BUT fixing roads and bridges. The thing that prevents me form being serious about it, is how badly the government is in spending money like this on what they were supposed to be collecting it for. In states like Florida, it would actually go into the roads but up north, where they really need infrastructure improvements, the money gets siphoned off into totally unrelated programs. That is why Florida only has around 2% of their bridges in trouble and that is up in the double digits in California, New York and the North East states. Wrong. The reason is that Florida doesn't have a freeze-thaw cycle that lasts half the year, it seems, as the northeast states do. *That* and the salt are the killers of road infrastructure. There is plenty of salt here. Most of the bridges go over salt water. Freeze thaw can be an issue but not if the road is properly engineered. Usually frost heaves are when they did a quicky patch last time. Water gets under the patch and blows it out when it freezes. It is still undeniable that the places with the biggest road and bridge problems have diverted road building money to other things like trains people won't ride or simply to patch other holes in their budget instead of patching holes in the bridge. I doubt very much that the bridges in Florida are subjected to the amount of salt corrosion that the bridges up here are subjected to. Down there you get plenty of rain that rinses any salt spray that wind might deposit on them. Up here the salting starts with the first freezing sleet or snow and continues all winter. It's only swept up in the spring. They sweep the roads to get the salt mix up? Down here it washes off with the rain or melting snow, but I've never seen it swept. I am sure much of it washes away into storm drains but every spring the town and state highway departments are out with the big street sweepers, picking up what is left. It's recycled and used again. In areas where you get a lot of snow the first thing that is done in a storm is treating the roadways, overpasses and bridges with treated sand. Bridges and overpasses are important because they will freeze before the roadways. Then, as it snows the mess is plowed to the side and the treated sand is applied again. This will happen many times during a major storm and the sand and salt in the plowed snow piles stays there until there's a major melt. We still have 3 4 foot snow banks on all the roads up here from the storms we had in January and February. The corrosive sand and salt mixture just sits there for weeks and months. I think Greg forgets that I spent three winters living in Florida where there were many bridges and overpasses. I never saw sand blasting and repainting of any of them. I am sure it happens from time to time but not to the extent that you see in the northeast. During the summer months there are crews out constantly sand blasting and repainting the bridge and overpass structures. No matter how severe the environment is for infrastructure in the northeast, Gregg assures us it is far, far worse in SW Florida. Well, of course it is. :) -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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On 3/24/2015 7:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/24/15 7:20 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2015 6:52 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:17:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/23/2015 8:29 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:38:20 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 5:20 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 15:02:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: All depends on who is the replacement. I don't see Hillary as having what it takes. She'll be too busy ducking answers to questions and asking why we don't simply respect the fact that she's the first woman president. If this was not such a corrupt government and so many scams going on, I would suggest a 20 cent hike in the gasoline tax that went for absolutely NOTHING BUT fixing roads and bridges. The thing that prevents me form being serious about it, is how badly the government is in spending money like this on what they were supposed to be collecting it for. In states like Florida, it would actually go into the roads but up north, where they really need infrastructure improvements, the money gets siphoned off into totally unrelated programs. That is why Florida only has around 2% of their bridges in trouble and that is up in the double digits in California, New York and the North East states. Wrong. The reason is that Florida doesn't have a freeze-thaw cycle that lasts half the year, it seems, as the northeast states do. *That* and the salt are the killers of road infrastructure. There is plenty of salt here. Most of the bridges go over salt water. Freeze thaw can be an issue but not if the road is properly engineered. Usually frost heaves are when they did a quicky patch last time. Water gets under the patch and blows it out when it freezes. It is still undeniable that the places with the biggest road and bridge problems have diverted road building money to other things like trains people won't ride or simply to patch other holes in their budget instead of patching holes in the bridge. I doubt very much that the bridges in Florida are subjected to the amount of salt corrosion that the bridges up here are subjected to. Down there you get plenty of rain that rinses any salt spray that wind might deposit on them. Up here the salting starts with the first freezing sleet or snow and continues all winter. It's only swept up in the spring. They sweep the roads to get the salt mix up? Down here it washes off with the rain or melting snow, but I've never seen it swept. I am sure much of it washes away into storm drains but every spring the town and state highway departments are out with the big street sweepers, picking up what is left. It's recycled and used again. In areas where you get a lot of snow the first thing that is done in a storm is treating the roadways, overpasses and bridges with treated sand. Bridges and overpasses are important because they will freeze before the roadways. Then, as it snows the mess is plowed to the side and the treated sand is applied again. This will happen many times during a major storm and the sand and salt in the plowed snow piles stays there until there's a major melt. We still have 3 4 foot snow banks on all the roads up here from the storms we had in January and February. The corrosive sand and salt mixture just sits there for weeks and months. I think Greg forgets that I spent three winters living in Florida where there were many bridges and overpasses. I never saw sand blasting and repainting of any of them. I am sure it happens from time to time but not to the extent that you see in the northeast. During the summer months there are crews out constantly sand blasting and repainting the bridge and overpass structures. No matter how severe the environment is for infrastructure in the northeast, Gregg assures us it is far, far worse in SW Florida. Well, of course it is. :) And used Florida cars are not highly desirable up here due to their lack of rust and frame rot. :-) |
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 07:20:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/24/2015 6:52 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:17:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/23/2015 8:29 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:38:20 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 5:20 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 15:02:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: All depends on who is the replacement. I don't see Hillary as having what it takes. She'll be too busy ducking answers to questions and asking why we don't simply respect the fact that she's the first woman president. If this was not such a corrupt government and so many scams going on, I would suggest a 20 cent hike in the gasoline tax that went for absolutely NOTHING BUT fixing roads and bridges. The thing that prevents me form being serious about it, is how badly the government is in spending money like this on what they were supposed to be collecting it for. In states like Florida, it would actually go into the roads but up north, where they really need infrastructure improvements, the money gets siphoned off into totally unrelated programs. That is why Florida only has around 2% of their bridges in trouble and that is up in the double digits in California, New York and the North East states. Wrong. The reason is that Florida doesn't have a freeze-thaw cycle that lasts half the year, it seems, as the northeast states do. *That* and the salt are the killers of road infrastructure. There is plenty of salt here. Most of the bridges go over salt water. Freeze thaw can be an issue but not if the road is properly engineered. Usually frost heaves are when they did a quicky patch last time. Water gets under the patch and blows it out when it freezes. It is still undeniable that the places with the biggest road and bridge problems have diverted road building money to other things like trains people won't ride or simply to patch other holes in their budget instead of patching holes in the bridge. I doubt very much that the bridges in Florida are subjected to the amount of salt corrosion that the bridges up here are subjected to. Down there you get plenty of rain that rinses any salt spray that wind might deposit on them. Up here the salting starts with the first freezing sleet or snow and continues all winter. It's only swept up in the spring. They sweep the roads to get the salt mix up? Down here it washes off with the rain or melting snow, but I've never seen it swept. I am sure much of it washes away into storm drains but every spring the town and state highway departments are out with the big street sweepers, picking up what is left. It's recycled and used again. In areas where you get a lot of snow the first thing that is done in a storm is treating the roadways, overpasses and bridges with treated sand. Bridges and overpasses are important because they will freeze before the roadways. Then, as it snows the mess is plowed to the side and the treated sand is applied again. This will happen many times during a major storm and the sand and salt in the plowed snow piles stays there until there's a major melt. We still have 3 4 foot snow banks on all the roads up here from the storms we had in January and February. The corrosive sand and salt mixture just sits there for weeks and months. We don't have it nearly so bad. The stuff left on the road gets ground to powder by tires and then rained or blown away. The stuff on sides just 'dissipates' somehow. I've never seen a sweeper go after it. I think Greg forgets that I spent three winters living in Florida where there were many bridges and overpasses. I never saw sand blasting and repainting of any of them. I am sure it happens from time to time but not to the extent that you see in the northeast. During the summer months there are crews out constantly sand blasting and repainting the bridge and overpass structures. Probably a lot more of your basic concrete beam bridges which don't require repainting regularly - too many kids with spray cans keep them freshly painted. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On 3/24/2015 7:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
No matter how severe the environment is for infrastructure in the northeast, Gregg assures us it is far, far worse in SW Florida. Well, of course it is. :) And used Florida cars are not highly desirable up here due to their lack of rust and frame rot. :-) Harry lies and you swear to it. ;-) What percentage of federal and state road taxes collected are used to repair and improve the road system in your state, as compared to Florida. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On 3/24/2015 9:47 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 3/24/2015 7:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: No matter how severe the environment is for infrastructure in the northeast, Gregg assures us it is far, far worse in SW Florida. Well, of course it is. :) And used Florida cars are not highly desirable up here due to their lack of rust and frame rot. :-) Harry lies and you swear to it. ;-) What percentage of federal and state road taxes collected are used to repair and improve the road system in your state, as compared to Florida. Beats me. I thought we were discussing what area has more bridge and overpass corrosion due to their relative climates ... Florida or the Northeast. If you are looking for how gasoline taxes and tolls contribute to a state's spending on road systems, here's a chart. As the article states, it's only about a third of the total amount spent. The rest comes from other revenue sources. I think you have to also consider the size of the states, miles of roads and number of bridges and users. The chart isn't a relative comparison of who spends the most or least per capita. http://taxfoundation.org/article/gasoline-taxes-and-tolls-pay-only-third-state-local-road-spending |
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On 3/24/2015 10:13 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 07:27:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2015 7:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/24/15 7:20 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2015 6:52 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:17:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/23/2015 8:29 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:38:20 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 5:20 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 15:02:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: All depends on who is the replacement. I don't see Hillary as having what it takes. She'll be too busy ducking answers to questions and asking why we don't simply respect the fact that she's the first woman president. If this was not such a corrupt government and so many scams going on, I would suggest a 20 cent hike in the gasoline tax that went for absolutely NOTHING BUT fixing roads and bridges. The thing that prevents me form being serious about it, is how badly the government is in spending money like this on what they were supposed to be collecting it for. In states like Florida, it would actually go into the roads but up north, where they really need infrastructure improvements, the money gets siphoned off into totally unrelated programs. That is why Florida only has around 2% of their bridges in trouble and that is up in the double digits in California, New York and the North East states. Wrong. The reason is that Florida doesn't have a freeze-thaw cycle that lasts half the year, it seems, as the northeast states do. *That* and the salt are the killers of road infrastructure. There is plenty of salt here. Most of the bridges go over salt water. Freeze thaw can be an issue but not if the road is properly engineered. Usually frost heaves are when they did a quicky patch last time. Water gets under the patch and blows it out when it freezes. It is still undeniable that the places with the biggest road and bridge problems have diverted road building money to other things like trains people won't ride or simply to patch other holes in their budget instead of patching holes in the bridge. I doubt very much that the bridges in Florida are subjected to the amount of salt corrosion that the bridges up here are subjected to. Down there you get plenty of rain that rinses any salt spray that wind might deposit on them. Up here the salting starts with the first freezing sleet or snow and continues all winter. It's only swept up in the spring. They sweep the roads to get the salt mix up? Down here it washes off with the rain or melting snow, but I've never seen it swept. I am sure much of it washes away into storm drains but every spring the town and state highway departments are out with the big street sweepers, picking up what is left. It's recycled and used again. In areas where you get a lot of snow the first thing that is done in a storm is treating the roadways, overpasses and bridges with treated sand. Bridges and overpasses are important because they will freeze before the roadways. Then, as it snows the mess is plowed to the side and the treated sand is applied again. This will happen many times during a major storm and the sand and salt in the plowed snow piles stays there until there's a major melt. We still have 3 4 foot snow banks on all the roads up here from the storms we had in January and February. The corrosive sand and salt mixture just sits there for weeks and months. I think Greg forgets that I spent three winters living in Florida where there were many bridges and overpasses. I never saw sand blasting and repainting of any of them. I am sure it happens from time to time but not to the extent that you see in the northeast. During the summer months there are crews out constantly sand blasting and repainting the bridge and overpass structures. No matter how severe the environment is for infrastructure in the northeast, Gregg assures us it is far, far worse in SW Florida. Well, of course it is. :) And used Florida cars are not highly desirable up here due to their lack of rust and frame rot. :-) You are not that fond of cars that lived near the beach. BTW if you look at the car carriers, used cars move south, not north,. Of course. Florida is full of snowbirds shipping cars south and retirees getting out of Dodge. Come to think of it, just about *everything* that ends up in Florida, especially where you are, arrives from the north. A used "Florida" car commands a premium in the used car lots up here. They haven't been driven for years in the sand/salt slush that rots out the fenders and frames. |
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