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On 3/24/15 10:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/24/2015 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 08:47:25 -0400, John H.
wrote:



I think Greg forgets that I spent three winters living in Florida where
there were many bridges and overpasses. I never saw sand blasting and
repainting of any of them. I am sure it happens from time to time but
not to the extent that you see in the northeast. During the summer
months there are crews out constantly sand blasting and repainting the
bridge and overpass structures.

Probably a lot more of your basic concrete beam bridges which don't
require
repainting regularly - too many kids with spray cans keep them
freshly painted.

The problem with the prestressed concrete beams is the salt water
infiltrates the beam and gets to the rebar.. A little rust on that
rebar will blow that beam out as fast as a series of freeze thaw
cycles.

I do find it amazing that this many "boaters" are blowing off the
effects of 24/7/356 salt water corrosion in sub tropical water.
Richard mentioned cars ... OK how many Florida boats are that
attractive, even to Chesapeake Bay boaters, much less someone near
Tim.

If road salt is that deleterious to the structure UNDER your bridges,
maybe you should be looking at how you engineer bridges to see how the
salt is getting there and why it isn't harmlessly going out the
scuppers and over the side.,


I don't question how bridges are designed to withstand the elements.
There are people far more qualified than you or I that do that.



You obviously missed the article in the Boston Globe announcing that
Gregg has been hired by the Harvard School of Medicine to teach courses
on "There is no need for trained, experienced, educated doctors," and
"Tips on Performing Your Own Heart Surgery." These are only taught by
the world's greatest living expert.

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On 3/24/2015 11:26 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/24/15 10:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/24/2015 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 08:47:25 -0400, John H.
wrote:



I think Greg forgets that I spent three winters living in Florida
where
there were many bridges and overpasses. I never saw sand blasting and
repainting of any of them. I am sure it happens from time to time but
not to the extent that you see in the northeast. During the summer
months there are crews out constantly sand blasting and repainting the
bridge and overpass structures.

Probably a lot more of your basic concrete beam bridges which don't
require
repainting regularly - too many kids with spray cans keep them
freshly painted.

The problem with the prestressed concrete beams is the salt water
infiltrates the beam and gets to the rebar.. A little rust on that
rebar will blow that beam out as fast as a series of freeze thaw
cycles.

I do find it amazing that this many "boaters" are blowing off the
effects of 24/7/356 salt water corrosion in sub tropical water.
Richard mentioned cars ... OK how many Florida boats are that
attractive, even to Chesapeake Bay boaters, much less someone near
Tim.

If road salt is that deleterious to the structure UNDER your bridges,
maybe you should be looking at how you engineer bridges to see how the
salt is getting there and why it isn't harmlessly going out the
scuppers and over the side.,


I don't question how bridges are designed to withstand the elements.
There are people far more qualified than you or I that do that.



You obviously missed the article in the Boston Globe announcing that
Gregg has been hired by the Harvard School of Medicine to teach courses
on "There is no need for trained, experienced, educated doctors," and
"Tips on Performing Your Own Heart Surgery." These are only taught by
the world's greatest living expert.


And you won a Pulitzer for your contribution to the Kansas City Star
Obit. column.

Your jealousy is evident. Greg is knowledgeable on some things that
matter, and you, well, you just make **** up.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

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On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 11:26:34 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/24/15 10:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/24/2015 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 08:47:25 -0400, John H.
wrote:



I think Greg forgets that I spent three winters living in Florida where
there were many bridges and overpasses. I never saw sand blasting and
repainting of any of them. I am sure it happens from time to time but
not to the extent that you see in the northeast. During the summer
months there are crews out constantly sand blasting and repainting the
bridge and overpass structures.

Probably a lot more of your basic concrete beam bridges which don't
require
repainting regularly - too many kids with spray cans keep them
freshly painted.

The problem with the prestressed concrete beams is the salt water
infiltrates the beam and gets to the rebar.. A little rust on that
rebar will blow that beam out as fast as a series of freeze thaw
cycles.

I do find it amazing that this many "boaters" are blowing off the
effects of 24/7/356 salt water corrosion in sub tropical water.
Richard mentioned cars ... OK how many Florida boats are that
attractive, even to Chesapeake Bay boaters, much less someone near
Tim.

If road salt is that deleterious to the structure UNDER your bridges,
maybe you should be looking at how you engineer bridges to see how the
salt is getting there and why it isn't harmlessly going out the
scuppers and over the side.,


I don't question how bridges are designed to withstand the elements.
There are people far more qualified than you or I that do that.



You obviously missed the article in the Boston Globe announcing that
Gregg has been hired by the Harvard School of Medicine to teach courses
on "There is no need for trained, experienced, educated doctors," and
"Tips on Performing Your Own Heart Surgery." These are only taught by
the world's greatest living expert.

Why turn a reasonable, sociable discussion into an attack on Greg? That's twice now.
You reckon to get a pat on the back for this one too?
--

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Gun owner behavior causes problems.

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On 3/24/15 12:03 PM, John H. wrote:

Why turn a reasonable, sociable discussion into an attack on Greg? That's twice now.


Pot, kettle, black. Most of your posts here and the posts of many of
your buddies here are nothing more than attacks. Perhaps I'll take you
seriously when you stop and when you castigate your buddies for their
bad behavior. Until then...**** off.

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On 3/24/2015 12:16 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 10:21:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/24/2015 9:47 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 3/24/2015 7:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
No matter how severe the environment is for infrastructure in the
northeast, Gregg assures us it is far, far worse in SW Florida. Well, of
course it is. :)



And used Florida cars are not highly desirable up here due to their lack
of rust and frame rot. :-)


Harry lies and you swear to it. ;-)
What percentage of federal and state road taxes collected are used to
repair and improve the road system in your state, as compared to Florida.

Beats me. I thought we were discussing what area has more bridge and
overpass corrosion due to their relative climates ... Florida or the
Northeast.

If you are looking for how gasoline taxes and tolls contribute to a
state's spending on road systems, here's a chart. As the article
states, it's only about a third of the total amount spent. The rest
comes from other revenue sources.

I think you have to also consider the size of the states, miles of roads
and number of bridges and users. The chart isn't a relative comparison
of who spends the most or least per capita.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/gasoline-taxes-and-tolls-pay-only-third-state-local-road-spending

Actually this started with me suggesting that they raise the gasoline
tax, provided that it all gets spent on the roads.
If you and Harry are right and your roads need more maintenance, you
should be paying higher gasoline taxes.

Taxachusetts actually does pretty well ranking #8. Surprised the hell
out of me.

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Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

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On 3/24/2015 12:24 PM, wrote:
BTW has anyone told you not to be such an asshole in the last few
minutes?
Congratulations, you are the first today. ;-)

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

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On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 12:03:25 -0400, John H.
wrote:

You obviously missed the article in the Boston Globe announcing that
Gregg has been hired by the Harvard School of Medicine to teach courses
on "There is no need for trained, experienced, educated doctors," and
"Tips on Performing Your Own Heart Surgery." These are only taught by
the world's greatest living expert.

Why turn a reasonable, sociable discussion into an attack on Greg? That's twice now.
You reckon to get a pat on the back for this one too?

===

It's part of Harry's long standing behavior of attacking anyone who
displays knowledge on a subject matter. When you're constantly trying
to be the center of attention, who wants a bunch of experts
distracting from that?

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On 3/24/15 12:26 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 12:03:25 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 11:26:34 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


You obviously missed the article in the Boston Globe announcing that
Gregg has been hired by the Harvard School of Medicine to teach courses
on "There is no need for trained, experienced, educated doctors," and
"Tips on Performing Your Own Heart Surgery." These are only taught by
the world's greatest living expert.

Why turn a reasonable, sociable discussion into an attack on Greg? That's twice now.
You reckon to get a pat on the back for this one too?

When Harry can't deal with the message, he attacks the messenger.


Nah. I just get a kick out of how many fields, and they seem endless, in
which you claim such extraordinary expertise.

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On 3/24/2015 12:24 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 11:26:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/24/15 10:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/24/2015 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 08:47:25 -0400, John H.
wrote:



I think Greg forgets that I spent three winters living in Florida where
there were many bridges and overpasses. I never saw sand blasting and
repainting of any of them. I am sure it happens from time to time but
not to the extent that you see in the northeast. During the summer
months there are crews out constantly sand blasting and repainting the
bridge and overpass structures.

Probably a lot more of your basic concrete beam bridges which don't
require
repainting regularly - too many kids with spray cans keep them
freshly painted.

The problem with the prestressed concrete beams is the salt water
infiltrates the beam and gets to the rebar.. A little rust on that
rebar will blow that beam out as fast as a series of freeze thaw
cycles.

I do find it amazing that this many "boaters" are blowing off the
effects of 24/7/356 salt water corrosion in sub tropical water.
Richard mentioned cars ... OK how many Florida boats are that
attractive, even to Chesapeake Bay boaters, much less someone near
Tim.

If road salt is that deleterious to the structure UNDER your bridges,
maybe you should be looking at how you engineer bridges to see how the
salt is getting there and why it isn't harmlessly going out the
scuppers and over the side.,


I don't question how bridges are designed to withstand the elements.
There are people far more qualified than you or I that do that.



You obviously missed the article in the Boston Globe announcing that
Gregg has been hired by the Harvard School of Medicine to teach courses
on "There is no need for trained, experienced, educated doctors," and
"Tips on Performing Your Own Heart Surgery." These are only taught by
the world's greatest living expert.

If road salt is that big an issue even a dumb old guy like me knows
you should be designing your bridges to send that salt over the side
and not send it up under the bridge .


I don't know why bridges are designed as they are. Most around here are
steel I-Beam frames on concrete forms. Perhaps they don't want heavy
rains to cause water or runoff from pouring down on whatever is under
the bridge .... like cars traveling at 70 miles per hour on a highway.

All I know is during the summer it is routine to see half of a highway
blocked off while a crew is sandblasting and then repainting the steel
frames of bridges. The only type of construction work on bridges in
Florida that I ever saw was new construction and changes to roadways.
Come to think of it, I never even saw any repaving being done although I
am sure it is done from time to time.

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On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 12:14:09 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/24/15 12:03 PM, John H. wrote:

Why turn a reasonable, sociable discussion into an attack on Greg? That's twice now.


Pot, kettle, black. Most of your posts here and the posts of many of
your buddies here are nothing more than attacks. Perhaps I'll take you
seriously when you stop and when you castigate your buddies for their
bad behavior. Until then...**** off.

So your behavior is dependent on that of others?
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.