On 3/23/2015 7:00 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 23:22:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The iPad I have has a GPS built in. As the guy in the video explained
it will receive the GPS signal and work with Navionics even if you don't
have a 3G connection or have it shut off. That's how I understood what
he said.

===

That's the way Navionics on my smartphone works as long as you've
downloaded the charts you need in advance. I do that at home on my
wifi connection by going to the areas I'm interested in and zooming in
for maximum detail. After that, the charts for that area are
permanently stored.



I have an older (2011) iPad-2 but it is the full featured version with
64Gb, wi-fi, cellular, and has the GPS chipset. This might give me a
reason to use it. It just sits on my desk because I don't really have a
use for it.

On 3/23/15 7:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/23/2015 7:00 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 23:22:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The iPad I have has a GPS built in. As the guy in the video explained
it will receive the GPS signal and work with Navionics even if you don't
have a 3G connection or have it shut off. That's how I understood what
he said.

===

That's the way Navionics on my smartphone works as long as you've
downloaded the charts you need in advance. I do that at home on my
wifi connection by going to the areas I'm interested in and zooming in
for maximum detail. After that, the charts for that area are
permanently stored.



I have an older (2011) iPad-2 but it is the full featured version with
64Gb, wi-fi, cellular, and has the GPS chipset. This might give me a
reason to use it. It just sits on my desk because I don't really have a
use for it.


I sold my iPad after a year and went back to a Macbook Air. The iPad was
nice for "entertainment," but I never got used to the inability to reach
the file system in a "normal" computer way. My wife has a Kindle and
enjoys it: she's on the commuter bus twice a day and reads books or does
email offline. Last week, I bought her a new iPhone and in the process
at the phone store I was offered a new iPad for "almost free," which
makes me wonder if the bloom of tablets is fading a little.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

On 3/23/2015 8:15 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/23/15 7:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/23/2015 7:00 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 23:22:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The iPad I have has a GPS built in. As the guy in the video explained
it will receive the GPS signal and work with Navionics even if you
don't
have a 3G connection or have it shut off. That's how I understood what
he said.

===

That's the way Navionics on my smartphone works as long as you've
downloaded the charts you need in advance. I do that at home on my
wifi connection by going to the areas I'm interested in and zooming in
for maximum detail. After that, the charts for that area are
permanently stored.



I have an older (2011) iPad-2 but it is the full featured version with
64Gb, wi-fi, cellular, and has the GPS chipset. This might give me a
reason to use it. It just sits on my desk because I don't really have a
use for it.


I sold my iPad after a year and went back to a Macbook Air. The iPad was
nice for "entertainment," but I never got used to the inability to reach
the file system in a "normal" computer way. My wife has a Kindle and
enjoys it: she's on the commuter bus twice a day and reads books or does
email offline. Last week, I bought her a new iPhone and in the process
at the phone store I was offered a new iPad for "almost free," which
makes me wonder if the bloom of tablets is fading a little.


I really don't follow the smart phone and tablet varieties that seem to
have taken over and dominated so many people's lives today. My wife is
an iPhone addict, constantly using it for texting, calling, playing
Scrabble or some similar game with 10 people at the same time. I have a
Android cell phone that I guess is a "smart phone" but I rarely use it
and when I do it's just to make a quick phone call. I don't use it's
internet browser and rarely use it to read email. Old fashioned I
guess. I like computers with a real keyboard. Trying to text someone a
message on the tiny little keyboard that slides out or on the fake
keyboard on the screen takes me forever. I just have no interest in it.

I used the iPad for a while at the guitar shop and it was much better
for browsing or emailing but it wasn't a cell phone. I usually just
left it out on a table with it displaying the shop's website, list of
guitars and prices for customer's use. When I turned the shop over to
my friend I took it home and it just sits, unused.

On Monday, 23 March 2015 10:06:16 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/23/2015 8:15 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/23/15 7:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/23/2015 7:00 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 23:22:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The iPad I have has a GPS built in. As the guy in the video explained
it will receive the GPS signal and work with Navionics even if you
don't
have a 3G connection or have it shut off. That's how I understood what
he said.

===

That's the way Navionics on my smartphone works as long as you've
downloaded the charts you need in advance. I do that at home on my
wifi connection by going to the areas I'm interested in and zooming in
for maximum detail. After that, the charts for that area are
permanently stored.



I have an older (2011) iPad-2 but it is the full featured version with
64Gb, wi-fi, cellular, and has the GPS chipset. This might give me a
reason to use it. It just sits on my desk because I don't really have a
use for it.


I sold my iPad after a year and went back to a Macbook Air. The iPad was
nice for "entertainment," but I never got used to the inability to reach
the file system in a "normal" computer way. My wife has a Kindle and
enjoys it: she's on the commuter bus twice a day and reads books or does
email offline. Last week, I bought her a new iPhone and in the process
at the phone store I was offered a new iPad for "almost free," which
makes me wonder if the bloom of tablets is fading a little.


I really don't follow the smart phone and tablet varieties that seem to
have taken over and dominated so many people's lives today. My wife is
an iPhone addict, constantly using it for texting, calling, playing
Scrabble or some similar game with 10 people at the same time. I have a
Android cell phone that I guess is a "smart phone" but I rarely use it
and when I do it's just to make a quick phone call. I don't use it's
internet browser and rarely use it to read email. Old fashioned I
guess. I like computers with a real keyboard. Trying to text someone a
message on the tiny little keyboard that slides out or on the fake
keyboard on the screen takes me forever. I just have no interest in it.

I used the iPad for a while at the guitar shop and it was much better
for browsing or emailing but it wasn't a cell phone. I usually just
left it out on a table with it displaying the shop's website, list of
guitars and prices for customer's use. When I turned the shop over to
my friend I took it home and it just sits, unused.

I seldom use my HTC 'smart phone' either, so when the 3 year contract was up with Virgin last August, I changed over to prepaid. I pay $100.00 up front and if I don't get too gabby or carried away with texts, that'll last the full year..working out to just over $8.00 per month for my cellphone (plus 15% tax)
I doubt many can beat that.

On 3/23/2015 10:03 AM, True North wrote:
On Monday, 23 March 2015 10:06:16 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/23/2015 8:15 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/23/15 7:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/23/2015 7:00 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 23:22:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The iPad I have has a GPS built in. As the guy in the video explained
it will receive the GPS signal and work with Navionics even if you
don't
have a 3G connection or have it shut off. That's how I understood what
he said.

===

That's the way Navionics on my smartphone works as long as you've
downloaded the charts you need in advance. I do that at home on my
wifi connection by going to the areas I'm interested in and zooming in
for maximum detail. After that, the charts for that area are
permanently stored.



I have an older (2011) iPad-2 but it is the full featured version with
64Gb, wi-fi, cellular, and has the GPS chipset. This might give me a
reason to use it. It just sits on my desk because I don't really have a
use for it.


I sold my iPad after a year and went back to a Macbook Air. The iPad was
nice for "entertainment," but I never got used to the inability to reach
the file system in a "normal" computer way. My wife has a Kindle and
enjoys it: she's on the commuter bus twice a day and reads books or does
email offline. Last week, I bought her a new iPhone and in the process
at the phone store I was offered a new iPad for "almost free," which
makes me wonder if the bloom of tablets is fading a little.


I really don't follow the smart phone and tablet varieties that seem to
have taken over and dominated so many people's lives today. My wife is
an iPhone addict, constantly using it for texting, calling, playing
Scrabble or some similar game with 10 people at the same time. I have a
Android cell phone that I guess is a "smart phone" but I rarely use it
and when I do it's just to make a quick phone call. I don't use it's
internet browser and rarely use it to read email. Old fashioned I
guess. I like computers with a real keyboard. Trying to text someone a
message on the tiny little keyboard that slides out or on the fake
keyboard on the screen takes me forever. I just have no interest in it.

I used the iPad for a while at the guitar shop and it was much better
for browsing or emailing but it wasn't a cell phone. I usually just
left it out on a table with it displaying the shop's website, list of
guitars and prices for customer's use. When I turned the shop over to
my friend I took it home and it just sits, unused.

I seldom use my HTC 'smart phone' either, so when the 3 year contract was up with Virgin last August, I changed over to prepaid. I pay $100.00 up front and if I don't get too gabby or carried away with texts, that'll last the full year..working out to just over $8.00 per month for my cellphone (plus 15% tax)
I doubt many can beat that.

How much data, text, minutes do you get for $100?

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 09:06:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Trying to text someone a
message on the tiny little keyboard that slides out or on the fake
keyboard on the screen takes me forever. I just have no interest in it.

===

You need a bigger screen. I recently bought one of these from Amazon
and it has been great:

http://www.amazon.com/BLU-Studio-Unlocked-Phone-Black/dp/B00SZEFDH8

It has a nice big screen and is a good value. It is unlocked with
dual SIM card slots so I'll be able to use it in the Bahamas or in
Europe.

On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 11:02:47 -0400, wrote:

As for the question at hand, I think a tablet would do most of your
navigation needs in a boat and the main issue would be the packaging.
If you are running a dry cruising boat like Wayne it should be fine
but in a CC fishing boat you want something tougher.

===

Navionics on a large smartphone in a ziploc baggie works pretty well,
even in the dinghy.

On 3/23/2015 12:48 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 11:02:47 -0400, wrote:

As for the question at hand, I think a tablet would do most of your
navigation needs in a boat and the main issue would be the packaging.
If you are running a dry cruising boat like Wayne it should be fine
but in a CC fishing boat you want something tougher.

===

Navionics on a large smartphone in a ziploc baggie works pretty well,
even in the dinghy.


Future boat plans are for something in the 36'-38' range that will have
an enclosed helm station so I don't think salt spray, etc, will be an
issue. If I ever get a smaller, outboard type boat a cheap, dedicated
Garmin or whatever would suffice. I wouldn't be going cruising in it.

On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:46:35 -0400, wrote:

I certainly would not trust the NOAA charts in the bays around here..

===

The local charts leave a lot to be desired but they are a whole lot
better than just guessing. In the Bahamas the water is clear enough
that you can use eyeball navigation but we've got too many mangroves
for that.

On 3/23/2015 4:46 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 13:25:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/23/2015 12:48 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 11:02:47 -0400, wrote:

As for the question at hand, I think a tablet would do most of your
navigation needs in a boat and the main issue would be the packaging.
If you are running a dry cruising boat like Wayne it should be fine
but in a CC fishing boat you want something tougher.

===

Navionics on a large smartphone in a ziploc baggie works pretty well,
even in the dinghy.


Future boat plans are for something in the 36'-38' range that will have
an enclosed helm station so I don't think salt spray, etc, will be an
issue. If I ever get a smaller, outboard type boat a cheap, dedicated
Garmin or whatever would suffice. I wouldn't be going cruising in it.


What ever happened to the days when local knowledge was all you
needed? I know people who can't seem to find their way to the Publix
without the nav system in their car and they have lived here 20 years.
I am still not sure why you need electronics if you are not going
offshore.
I certainly would not trust the NOAA charts in the bays around here..



Local knowledge is fine if you have local knowledge.

You don't have to be off-shore to benefit from a chartplotter.
I found it to be invaluable on certain parts of the ICW as well. You
don't necessarily need it but at least for me there were parts that were
confusing the first time through. The chartplotter confirmed or
corrected what visual markers I was watching for and interpreting. Even
then, I still took a wrong turn once or twice.

Another part that stuck in my mind was transiting the Palmico Sound in
North Carolina. You think you are out in the middle of the ocean but in
fact the water can be very shallow. There's a channel you follow
but unless you are constantly looking back at the last channel marker
you passed and then looking for the next one coming up, it's easy to
find your depth alarm going off as you move out of the channel. Again,
the chartplotter helped a lot.