On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 18:13:59 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 20:53:03 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/20/15 8:43 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 16:07:57 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 17:26:50 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 13:24:49 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 18:04:38 -0400, John H.
wrote:

...over the shootings in Tennessee? Is it because the victims were Marines? Because
the shooter was a Muslim? Where's the attention?

Damn shame.

Just another day of shootings in Murkia. Why would it be any
different if the shooter is a Muslim?

There were 5 shootings and a bunch of dead people and kids in the
Western Washington area over the past 3 days. I didn't post about
them either.

My problem is the profusion of unchecked gun distribution coupled with
the violent nature of our society and the impact those two components
have on our country and its citizens.

33,000 dead per year. A tiny fraction of that is the result of Muslim
violence with many more at the hands of right wing whackos.

What percent is from the druggies in the ten major murder cities? Yet I've seen you
whine only about the most exceptional of cases.

Weird.

Almost 50% are suicides where the despondent have easier access to
weapons than someone to talk to.

The despondents had no telephones? Parents? Friends? Are you a hotline volunteer? Why
not?

And, you failed to answer the question.



One note Johnny, the right-wing racist gasbag who thinks his "questions"
should be answered because he's entitled.

He'd rather blame a race and parenting than rampant poverty and
underfunded, failing schools.

Where people have little opportunity and little chance of escape, they
learn to survive in the few ways available.

Other countries don't let their populations fail like this, at least
most westernized countries. Murika is about servicing the rich at the
cost of everything and everyone else.

Among the rich are the gun lobby, who spread money around and use
their influence to scare politicians into doing nothing.

****ing assholes.

What has Hillary said she'd do for the poor? She keeps talking about helping the
middle class, but says not one word about helping the poor.

Among the rich are the anti-gun lobby, who spread money around and use their
influence to scare politicians who do nothing anyway.

Go to Europe and see for yourself what is happening in other countries. As the number
of immigrants swells, so do the rolls of the homeless and druggies.

Lastly, look at the cities with the biggest problems. You know which they are. Which
party has been in control of them for the past umpteen years. You know that also. So
when you comment on underfunded schools, a comment with which I agree, who has had
control of the purse strings? Failing schools? Look no further than the NEA or the
AFT.

Ultra-lastly, get your head out of Krause's ass.
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Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 21:40:29 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 16:07:57 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 17:26:50 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 13:24:49 -0700, jps wrote:


33,000 dead per year. A tiny fraction of that is the result of Muslim
violence with many more at the hands of right wing whackos.

What percent is from the druggies in the ten major murder cities? Yet I've seen you
whine only about the most exceptional of cases.

Weird.

Almost 50% are suicides where the despondent have easier access to
weapons than someone to talk to.

I am glad you pointed that out because I was going to call bull**** on
the 33,000.
Suicide is not really a weapon problem, it is a suicide problem. The
There are lots of ways to kill yourself. If there is a will there is a
way.

Japanese have more suicides than we do with virtually no guns.

It's a great sounding statistic for the anti-gun crowd.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:22:50 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 18:13:59 -0700, jps wrote:

He'd rather blame a race and parenting than rampant poverty and
underfunded, failing schools.

Where people have little opportunity and little chance of escape, they
learn to survive in the few ways available.

Other countries don't let their populations fail like this, at least
most westernized countries. Murika is about servicing the rich at the
cost of everything and everyone else.

Other countries (northern Europe, Japan, Singapore etc) have don't
have the same kind of give away programs as the "great society".
People are steered to work. They have no problem telling people that
they are going to be trained for a blue collar job and not acting like
everyone is going to Harvard.
They also have an entirely different culture about work, family and
social responsibility.

The great society created an entire welfare culture that was very hard
to break out of. We packed the inner citoes with people who had no
skills, except crime and little opportunity to escape.
Add to that the fact that low skill jobs have fled the country and you
have middle class people competing for them because those white collar
management jobs went away too,

What would your plan be? Throw more money at them?


Blame Bush.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

On 7/21/2015 12:59 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:22:50 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 18:13:59 -0700, jps wrote:

He'd rather blame a race and parenting than rampant poverty and
underfunded, failing schools.

Where people have little opportunity and little chance of escape, they
learn to survive in the few ways available.

Other countries don't let their populations fail like this, at least
most westernized countries. Murika is about servicing the rich at the
cost of everything and everyone else.

Other countries (northern Europe, Japan, Singapore etc) have don't
have the same kind of give away programs as the "great society".
People are steered to work. They have no problem telling people that
they are going to be trained for a blue collar job and not acting like
everyone is going to Harvard.
They also have an entirely different culture about work, family and
social responsibility.

The great society created an entire welfare culture that was very hard
to break out of. We packed the inner citoes with people who had no
skills, except crime and little opportunity to escape.
Add to that the fact that low skill jobs have fled the country and you
have middle class people competing for them because those white collar
management jobs went away too,

What would your plan be? Throw more money at them?



Hogwash. Northern European countries subsidize the poor so they don't
have to starve and go without health coverage. They have the happiest
societies in the world with a tiny homicide rate.


The problem with this argument is the USA has never been a socialist
democracy like those to which you refer and has never been viewed as
such. It has always been viewed as "the land of opportunity" ... not
welfare. This is further evidenced by the fact that the USA has the
highest number of legal, yearly immigration of all countries in the
world, many coming from the "happiest societies in the world".

On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 12:59:54 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:22:50 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 18:13:59 -0700, jps wrote:

He'd rather blame a race and parenting than rampant poverty and
underfunded, failing schools.

Where people have little opportunity and little chance of escape, they
learn to survive in the few ways available.

Other countries don't let their populations fail like this, at least
most westernized countries. Murika is about servicing the rich at the
cost of everything and everyone else.

Other countries (northern Europe, Japan, Singapore etc) have don't
have the same kind of give away programs as the "great society".
People are steered to work. They have no problem telling people that
they are going to be trained for a blue collar job and not acting like
everyone is going to Harvard.
They also have an entirely different culture about work, family and
social responsibility.

The great society created an entire welfare culture that was very hard
to break out of. We packed the inner citoes with people who had no
skills, except crime and little opportunity to escape.
Add to that the fact that low skill jobs have fled the country and you
have middle class people competing for them because those white collar
management jobs went away too,

What would your plan be? Throw more money at them?

Hogwash. Northern European countries subsidize the poor so they don't
have to starve and go without health coverage. They have the happiest
societies in the world with a tiny homicide rate.

The great society hasn't gone far enough to be successsful. We have a
class of billionaires who aren't taxed and are getting more wealthy at
an obscene rate. We cater to the rich here. The rest can go ****
themselves.

Murika is an episode of the hunger games.

Ah yes, Sweden and Norway are paradise for the poor. Of course, there are few of them. Leave northern Europe and go down to Holland and points south. Those countries used to be Utopia for the poor also. Now they're being inundated with immigrants from across the Mediterranean.

On 7/21/15 5:28 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/21/2015 12:59 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:22:50 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 18:13:59 -0700, jps wrote:

He'd rather blame a race and parenting than rampant poverty and
underfunded, failing schools.

Where people have little opportunity and little chance of escape, they
learn to survive in the few ways available.

Other countries don't let their populations fail like this, at least
most westernized countries. Murika is about servicing the rich at the
cost of everything and everyone else.

Other countries (northern Europe, Japan, Singapore etc) have don't
have the same kind of give away programs as the "great society".
People are steered to work. They have no problem telling people that
they are going to be trained for a blue collar job and not acting like
everyone is going to Harvard.
They also have an entirely different culture about work, family and
social responsibility.

The great society created an entire welfare culture that was very hard
to break out of. We packed the inner citoes with people who had no
skills, except crime and little opportunity to escape.
Add to that the fact that low skill jobs have fled the country and you
have middle class people competing for them because those white collar
management jobs went away too,

What would your plan be? Throw more money at them?



Hogwash. Northern European countries subsidize the poor so they don't
have to starve and go without health coverage. They have the happiest
societies in the world with a tiny homicide rate.


The problem with this argument is the USA has never been a socialist
democracy like those to which you refer and has never been viewed as
such. It has always been viewed as "the land of opportunity" ... not
welfare. This is further evidenced by the fact that the USA has the
highest number of legal, yearly immigration of all countries in the
world, many coming from the "happiest societies in the world".


With the near end of defined benefit pensions, company provided health
insurance, and flat paychecks, and most of the opportunity being
siphoned off by corporations and their execs, perhaps it is time to
restructure so that there are more than crumbs for the lower income groups.

On 7/21/15 6:18 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 12:59:54 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:22:50 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 18:13:59 -0700, jps wrote:

He'd rather blame a race and parenting than rampant poverty and
underfunded, failing schools.

Where people have little opportunity and little chance of escape, they
learn to survive in the few ways available.

Other countries don't let their populations fail like this, at least
most westernized countries. Murika is about servicing the rich at the
cost of everything and everyone else.

Other countries (northern Europe, Japan, Singapore etc) have don't
have the same kind of give away programs as the "great society".
People are steered to work. They have no problem telling people that
they are going to be trained for a blue collar job and not acting like
everyone is going to Harvard.
They also have an entirely different culture about work, family and
social responsibility.

The great society created an entire welfare culture that was very hard
to break out of. We packed the inner citoes with people who had no
skills, except crime and little opportunity to escape.
Add to that the fact that low skill jobs have fled the country and you
have middle class people competing for them because those white collar
management jobs went away too,

What would your plan be? Throw more money at them?

Hogwash. Northern European countries subsidize the poor so they don't
have to starve and go without health coverage. They have the happiest
societies in the world with a tiny homicide rate.

The great society hasn't gone far enough to be successsful. We have a
class of billionaires who aren't taxed and are getting more wealthy at
an obscene rate. We cater to the rich here. The rest can go ****
themselves.

Murika is an episode of the hunger games.

Ah yes, Sweden and Norway are paradise for the poor. Of course, there are few of them. Leave northern Europe and go down to Holland and points south. Those countries used to be Utopia for the poor also. Now they're being inundated with immigrants from across the Mediterranean.



Ah, yes...those darker skinned people you despise.

On 7/21/2015 6:50 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/21/15 5:28 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/21/2015 12:59 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:22:50 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 18:13:59 -0700, jps wrote:

He'd rather blame a race and parenting than rampant poverty and
underfunded, failing schools.

Where people have little opportunity and little chance of escape, they
learn to survive in the few ways available.

Other countries don't let their populations fail like this, at least
most westernized countries. Murika is about servicing the rich at the
cost of everything and everyone else.

Other countries (northern Europe, Japan, Singapore etc) have don't
have the same kind of give away programs as the "great society".
People are steered to work. They have no problem telling people that
they are going to be trained for a blue collar job and not acting like
everyone is going to Harvard.
They also have an entirely different culture about work, family and
social responsibility.

The great society created an entire welfare culture that was very hard
to break out of. We packed the inner citoes with people who had no
skills, except crime and little opportunity to escape.
Add to that the fact that low skill jobs have fled the country and you
have middle class people competing for them because those white collar
management jobs went away too,

What would your plan be? Throw more money at them?



Hogwash. Northern European countries subsidize the poor so they don't
have to starve and go without health coverage. They have the happiest
societies in the world with a tiny homicide rate.


The problem with this argument is the USA has never been a socialist
democracy like those to which you refer and has never been viewed as
such. It has always been viewed as "the land of opportunity" ... not
welfare. This is further evidenced by the fact that the USA has the
highest number of legal, yearly immigration of all countries in the
world, many coming from the "happiest societies in the world".


With the near end of defined benefit pensions, company provided health
insurance, and flat paychecks, and most of the opportunity being
siphoned off by corporations and their execs, perhaps it is time to
restructure so that there are more than crumbs for the lower income groups.


Harry, in your world opportunity is provided by the federal government,
state government or big business investments and/or benefits. In my
world and in the world of many others opportunity is created by yourself
along with some hard work, long hours, risk and tenacity.

That's what appeals to many immigrants to this country. Not everyone in
the world wants to live like a Lemming.

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/21/15 6:18 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 12:59:54 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:22:50 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 18:13:59 -0700, jps wrote:

He'd rather blame a race and parenting than rampant poverty and
underfunded, failing schools.

Where people have little opportunity and little chance of escape, they
learn to survive in the few ways available.

Other countries don't let their populations fail like this, at least
most westernized countries. Murika is about servicing the rich at the
cost of everything and everyone else.

Other countries (northern Europe, Japan, Singapore etc) have don't
have the same kind of give away programs as the "great society".
People are steered to work. They have no problem telling people that
they are going to be trained for a blue collar job and not acting like
everyone is going to Harvard.
They also have an entirely different culture about work, family and
social responsibility.

The great society created an entire welfare culture that was very hard
to break out of. We packed the inner citoes with people who had no
skills, except crime and little opportunity to escape.
Add to that the fact that low skill jobs have fled the country and you
have middle class people competing for them because those white collar
management jobs went away too,

What would your plan be? Throw more money at them?

Hogwash. Northern European countries subsidize the poor so they don't
have to starve and go without health coverage. They have the happiest
societies in the world with a tiny homicide rate.

The great society hasn't gone far enough to be successsful. We have a
class of billionaires who aren't taxed and are getting more wealthy at
an obscene rate. We cater to the rich here. The rest can go ****
themselves.

Murika is an episode of the hunger games.

Ah yes, Sweden and Norway are paradise for the poor. Of course, there
are few of them. Leave northern Europe and go down to Holland and points
south. Those countries used to be Utopia for the poor also. Now they're
being inundated with immigrants from across the Mediterranean.



Ah, yes...those darker skinned people you despise.

With no skills and a lust for Sharia Law.

On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 19:01:06 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/21/15 6:18 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 12:59:54 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:22:50 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 18:13:59 -0700, jps wrote:

He'd rather blame a race and parenting than rampant poverty and
underfunded, failing schools.

Where people have little opportunity and little chance of escape, they
learn to survive in the few ways available.

Other countries don't let their populations fail like this, at least
most westernized countries. Murika is about servicing the rich at the
cost of everything and everyone else.

Other countries (northern Europe, Japan, Singapore etc) have don't
have the same kind of give away programs as the "great society".
People are steered to work. They have no problem telling people that
they are going to be trained for a blue collar job and not acting like
everyone is going to Harvard.
They also have an entirely different culture about work, family and
social responsibility.

The great society created an entire welfare culture that was very hard
to break out of. We packed the inner citoes with people who had no
skills, except crime and little opportunity to escape.
Add to that the fact that low skill jobs have fled the country and you
have middle class people competing for them because those white collar
management jobs went away too,

What would your plan be? Throw more money at them?

Hogwash. Northern European countries subsidize the poor so they don't
have to starve and go without health coverage. They have the happiest
societies in the world with a tiny homicide rate.

The great society hasn't gone far enough to be successsful. We have a
class of billionaires who aren't taxed and are getting more wealthy at
an obscene rate. We cater to the rich here. The rest can go ****
themselves.

Murika is an episode of the hunger games.

Ah yes, Sweden and Norway are paradise for the poor. Of course, there
are few of them. Leave northern Europe and go down to Holland and points
south. Those countries used to be Utopia for the poor also. Now they're
being inundated with immigrants from across the Mediterranean.



Ah, yes...those darker skinned people you despise.

With no skills and a lust for Sharia Law.

Well, most have memorized the Koran.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.