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On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:52:45 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 9/15/15 1:34 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 9/15/15 1:59 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 18:35:33 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Even if the goal was to end slavery, I always had to ask, wouldn't a
system of economic sanctions work better than a war that killed 2.5%
of the entire US population?
After all, sanctions ended apartheid in South Africa in a little over
30 years and if you listen to people like Al Sharpton, Michael Eric
Dyson or Cornel West, it still hasn't ended here over 150 years later.
The war certainly never ended the conflict between north and south.
If anything it only made the divisions stronger.

Whew. Thank goodness you fellas were never allowed to teach in the
public's schools, at least not in the non-civil war revisionist part of
the country.

Do you think that a war that killed 3/4 million people and destroyed
the economy of the part of the country where all of the slaves resided
was good for the slaves?
This was a 19th century Iraq. The north invades, broke virtually
everything and then just left. Those freed slaves were abandoned in a
devastates landscape and most ended up going back to the same
plantations they used to work at, begging for a job.Their pay pretty
much covered their living expenses but not always.
Life did not really change much for them for almost 100 years.

You think that was the best solution?

I still have to ask "what if" and wonder if a program of economic
sanctions and boycotts of slave grown cotton would not have been more
effective.
I still think war is always the last choice, not the first choice but
that was the only option that was offered.

You seem to forget that the South started the civil war by seceding, by
grabbing Union facilities and forts, and by firing the first shots.

Was the civil war good for the slaves? Well, it got them freed. Perhaps
if only we waited another...what? Another 100 years for them to be
emancipated? And I'm sure that if the colonists of the 1770s had only
waited another 100 years, Queen Victoria would have set them free, and I
forgot, how long did it take for the Brits to set India free after the
English traders took over commerce and made virtual slaves of the
ordinary citizens? About 130 years, eh?

One of the problems with reconstruction after the civil war was that
there was still a white power structure and white ownership of virtually
everything. That kept the newly freed blacks impoverished, and the impact
of that is still being felt today.

Revisionist. Slavery would have died very quickly if someone had invented
a cotton picker earlier.

A cotton picker? Practical mechanical cotton pickers "arrived" about 80
years after the end of the Civil War.

Perhaps you are confusing Eli Whitney's cotton gin with World War II
era mechanical cotton harvesters.

Whitney spent much of his life in New Haven, my home town. He
manufactured cotton engines there, as well as firearms. He was a close
friend of James Hillhouse, another famous businessman from New Haven.
In fact, there is a technical high school named after Whitney in the New
Haven area, and I went to Hillhouse high school. Whitney, however, went
to Hopkins Grammar, a prep school that is located only five minutes from
where my parents built their home.

Gosh. I spent 12 months in Seoul, Korea.

Tell us more about all the time you spent in Vietnam finding the bodies of soldiers
killed in action and left behind by their units. What organization was that again?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Wayne.B

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 15:27:05 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:52:45 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 9/15/15 1:34 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 9/15/15 1:59 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 18:35:33 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Even if the goal was to end slavery, I always had to ask, wouldn't a
system of economic sanctions work better than a war that killed 2.5%
of the entire US population?
After all, sanctions ended apartheid in South Africa in a little over
30 years and if you listen to people like Al Sharpton, Michael Eric
Dyson or Cornel West, it still hasn't ended here over 150 years later.
The war certainly never ended the conflict between north and south.
If anything it only made the divisions stronger.

Whew. Thank goodness you fellas were never allowed to teach in the
public's schools, at least not in the non-civil war revisionist part of
the country.

Do you think that a war that killed 3/4 million people and destroyed
the economy of the part of the country where all of the slaves resided
was good for the slaves?
This was a 19th century Iraq. The north invades, broke virtually
everything and then just left. Those freed slaves were abandoned in a
devastates landscape and most ended up going back to the same
plantations they used to work at, begging for a job.Their pay pretty
much covered their living expenses but not always.
Life did not really change much for them for almost 100 years.

You think that was the best solution?

I still have to ask "what if" and wonder if a program of economic
sanctions and boycotts of slave grown cotton would not have been more
effective.
I still think war is always the last choice, not the first choice but
that was the only option that was offered.

You seem to forget that the South started the civil war by seceding, by
grabbing Union facilities and forts, and by firing the first shots.

Was the civil war good for the slaves? Well, it got them freed. Perhaps
if only we waited another...what? Another 100 years for them to be
emancipated? And I'm sure that if the colonists of the 1770s had only
waited another 100 years, Queen Victoria would have set them free, and I
forgot, how long did it take for the Brits to set India free after the
English traders took over commerce and made virtual slaves of the
ordinary citizens? About 130 years, eh?

One of the problems with reconstruction after the civil war was that
there was still a white power structure and white ownership of virtually
everything. That kept the newly freed blacks impoverished, and the impact
of that is still being felt today.

Revisionist. Slavery would have died very quickly if someone had invented
a cotton picker earlier.

A cotton picker? Practical mechanical cotton pickers "arrived" about 80
years after the end of the Civil War.

Perhaps you are confusing Eli Whitney's cotton gin with World War II
era mechanical cotton harvesters.

Whitney spent much of his life in New Haven, my home town. He
manufactured cotton engines there, as well as firearms. He was a close
friend of James Hillhouse, another famous businessman from New Haven.
In fact, there is a technical high school named after Whitney in the New
Haven area, and I went to Hillhouse high school. Whitney, however, went
to Hopkins Grammar, a prep school that is located only five minutes from
where my parents built their home.

Gosh. I spent 12 months in Seoul, Korea.

Tell us more about all the time you spent in Vietnam finding the bodies of soldiers
killed in action and left behind by their units. What organization was that again?

===

I've researched Harry's military service claims and believe he was
probably in the British Thermal Unit. He never said it was a US
general that he worked under, and that might explain his obsession
with the king's english.

John H.[_5_]

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:33:22 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 15:27:05 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:52:45 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 9/15/15 1:34 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 9/15/15 1:59 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 18:35:33 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Even if the goal was to end slavery, I always had to ask, wouldn't a
system of economic sanctions work better than a war that killed 2.5%
of the entire US population?
After all, sanctions ended apartheid in South Africa in a little over
30 years and if you listen to people like Al Sharpton, Michael Eric
Dyson or Cornel West, it still hasn't ended here over 150 years later.
The war certainly never ended the conflict between north and south.
If anything it only made the divisions stronger.

Whew. Thank goodness you fellas were never allowed to teach in the
public's schools, at least not in the non-civil war revisionist part of
the country.

Do you think that a war that killed 3/4 million people and destroyed
the economy of the part of the country where all of the slaves resided
was good for the slaves?
This was a 19th century Iraq. The north invades, broke virtually
everything and then just left. Those freed slaves were abandoned in a
devastates landscape and most ended up going back to the same
plantations they used to work at, begging for a job.Their pay pretty
much covered their living expenses but not always.
Life did not really change much for them for almost 100 years.

You think that was the best solution?

I still have to ask "what if" and wonder if a program of economic
sanctions and boycotts of slave grown cotton would not have been more
effective.
I still think war is always the last choice, not the first choice but
that was the only option that was offered.

You seem to forget that the South started the civil war by seceding, by
grabbing Union facilities and forts, and by firing the first shots.

Was the civil war good for the slaves? Well, it got them freed. Perhaps
if only we waited another...what? Another 100 years for them to be
emancipated? And I'm sure that if the colonists of the 1770s had only
waited another 100 years, Queen Victoria would have set them free, and I
forgot, how long did it take for the Brits to set India free after the
English traders took over commerce and made virtual slaves of the
ordinary citizens? About 130 years, eh?

One of the problems with reconstruction after the civil war was that
there was still a white power structure and white ownership of virtually
everything. That kept the newly freed blacks impoverished, and the impact
of that is still being felt today.

Revisionist. Slavery would have died very quickly if someone had invented
a cotton picker earlier.

A cotton picker? Practical mechanical cotton pickers "arrived" about 80
years after the end of the Civil War.

Perhaps you are confusing Eli Whitney's cotton gin with World War II
era mechanical cotton harvesters.

Whitney spent much of his life in New Haven, my home town. He
manufactured cotton engines there, as well as firearms. He was a close
friend of James Hillhouse, another famous businessman from New Haven.
In fact, there is a technical high school named after Whitney in the New
Haven area, and I went to Hillhouse high school. Whitney, however, went
to Hopkins Grammar, a prep school that is located only five minutes from
where my parents built their home.

Gosh. I spent 12 months in Seoul, Korea.

Tell us more about all the time you spent in Vietnam finding the bodies of soldiers
killed in action and left behind by their units. What organization was that again?

===

I've researched Harry's military service claims and believe he was
probably in the British Thermal Unit. He never said it was a US
general that he worked under, and that might explain his obsession
with the king's english.

Now why didn't I think of that? He does spew a lot of hot air.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

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