The President said yesterday that cities in America that have the most gun laws have the least amount of gun violence. ............I guess he hasn't read the Chicago tribune or the Sun Times lately.

On 10/2/2015 6:46 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
If you look at the statistics, the states with the most or most
restrictive gun laws tend to have fewer gun deaths per 100,000 inhabitants.
O'Bama didn't say that, you did.

On 10/2/15 7:07 AM, Tim wrote:
The President said yesterday that cities in America that have the most gun laws have the least amount of gun violence. ............I guess he hasn't read the Chicago tribune or the Sun Times lately.



No, Tim, that's not what he said.

"We know that states with the most gun laws tend to have the fewest gun
deaths."

If you look at the statistics, the states with the most or most
restrictive gun laws tend to have fewer gun deaths per 100,000 inhabitants.


http://kff.org/other/state-indicator...te-per-100000/


Your state, Illinois, has a death rate due to injuries from firearms of
8.6 per 100,000 inhabitants...or about the national average.

The rate in Alabama is 17.6, Alaska is 19.8, Arkansas 16.8, D.C. 8.9,
Connecticut 4.4, Louisiana 19.3, Maryland 9.7, Virginia 10.2, South
Carolina 15.2.

Perhaps you should listen more carefully when the president speaks, or
find a news source that is less tilted towards the NRA.

Right now Chicago is a bullet throwing blood bath and has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. My statement still stands

http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/cri...ile_touch=true

This thug had just previously been arrested for domestic abide and firearms violations. He then got another gun. Obviously he didn't need a background check and 3 day waiting period to rearm himself

On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 04:07:49 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

The President said yesterday that cities in America that have the most gun laws have the least amount of gun violence. ............I guess he hasn't read the Chicago tribune or the Sun Times lately.

He really had his head up his ass with that one.

He didn't even look at statistics from his current 'home town'.
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Ban idiots, not guns!

On 10/2/2015 8:10 AM, Tim wrote:

Right now Chicago is a bullet throwing blood bath and has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. My statement still stands



I think people expect too much too quickly when an attempt is made to
address a social problem. Your state's "tougher" gun laws are fairly
recent. They are not going to have much effect on those who already
have firearms or know who to pay to get one.

It may take a generation or two in order to start seeing positive
results. You have to start somewhere. The same old, same old NRA
excuses as to why they won't work are wearing thin.

On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 07:46:19 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/2/15 7:07 AM, Tim wrote:
The President said yesterday that cities in America that have the most gun laws have the least amount of gun violence. ............I guess he hasn't read the Chicago tribune or the Sun Times lately.



No, Tim, that's not what he said.

"We know that states with the most gun laws tend to have the fewest gun
deaths."

If you look at the statistics, the states with the most or most
restrictive gun laws tend to have fewer gun deaths per 100,000 inhabitants.


http://kff.org/other/state-indicator...te-per-100000/


Your state, Illinois, has a death rate due to injuries from firearms of
8.6 per 100,000 inhabitants...or about the national average.

The rate in Alabama is 17.6, Alaska is 19.8, Arkansas 16.8, D.C. 8.9,
Connecticut 4.4, Louisiana 19.3, Maryland 9.7, Virginia 10.2, South
Carolina 15.2.

Perhaps you should listen more carefully when the president speaks, or
find a news source that is less tilted towards the NRA.


Perhaps you should focus on the cities, where the problems really exist, and not lump
in all the farmers.
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Ban idiots, not guns!

On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:31:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/2/2015 8:10 AM, Tim wrote:

Right now Chicago is a bullet throwing blood bath and has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. My statement still stands



I think people expect too much too quickly when an attempt is made to
address a social problem. Your state's "tougher" gun laws are fairly
recent. They are not going to have much effect on those who already
have firearms or know who to pay to get one.

It may take a generation or two in order to start seeing positive
results. You have to start somewhere. The same old, same old NRA
excuses as to why they won't work are wearing thin.


Chicago has had tough gun laws for 50 years

If we are just waiting for a generational change, just wait. In spite
of the hyperbole in the media, the actual murder rate has been in
decline for years.

The fact also remains the biggest "stranger danger" is still
surrounding the drug business. Nobody on the left wants to talk about
that.

The mass shooting thing is media driven as much as anything. These are
unstable people who are suicidal and want to go out as a famous
person. Shoot up a soft target and you can be the only thing on the
news for weeks and the object of google searches forever.

I don't know how you address it but I doubt anyone will come up with a
"law" solution that is not going to be challenged from the right and
the left. The most obvious thing is trying to stop these guys before
they start shooting but that is hard to do without infringing on their
rights. You can't arrest someone until they actually commit a crime.

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On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:31:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/2/2015 8:10 AM, Tim wrote:

Right now Chicago is a bullet throwing blood bath and has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. My statement still stands



I think people expect too much too quickly when an attempt is made to
address a social problem. Your state's "tougher" gun laws are fairly
recent. They are not going to have much effect on those who already
have firearms or know who to pay to get one.

It may take a generation or two in order to start seeing positive
results. You have to start somewhere. The same old, same old NRA
excuses as to why they won't work are wearing thin.


Chicago has had tough gun laws for 50 years


WTF? Indiana is ten minutes away by car. Gun shows galore.
Criminals don't care about Chicago laws, nor do the legal sellers
at Indiana gun shows.