On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 17:33:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



http://mic.com/articles/123049/19-years-after-passing-strict-gun-control-laws-here-s-what-happened-in-australia

The thing they avoid saying is it only caused a momentary blip in the
murder rate but the overall slope did not change much.
People just found other ways to kill their fellow man.
Murders were going down and the slope pretty much remained the same
when viewed year to year.
They are going down here too, in spite of what CNN would have us
believe.

On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 23:24:56 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 15:50:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

... and that's where we are heading unless the hard core 2nd Ammendment
clingers don't open their eyes and minds and become willing to discuss
and consider gun control laws that fit contemporary times. To continue
to say "nothing will work" and be satisfied with the status quo is
eventually going to force the issue.


Yup, we would just need to trim 4 or 5 amendments off of the Bill of
Rights.

Wasn't that one reason why we had the 2d amendment in the first place?


No.

I guess you never read some of the comments from the people who wrote
it and considered that they had just won a bloody revolution against
the most powerful country in the world.

The real point is that gun confiscation would have to violate the 2d,
4th, 5th, 6th and perhaps the 10th amendment.
I doubt they would get half in any kind of buy back, even at a
generous market price. Then you get down to forcible "takings", black
markets and millions of instant criminals.
How many prisons are you going to build?

If they gave me enough for a mini-14, I'd let 'em buy back one of my Heritage .22's!
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Ban idiots, not guns!

On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 23:53:46 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 14:08:56 -0700, Califbill billnews wrote:



Yup. All those little kids at Sandy Hook shuda just thrown their copies
of "Dick, Jane and Sally" at the gunman.

This conversation is getting funny. A bunch of unarmed people are going
to ward off a guy with a large magazine, semi-automatic
by throwing books at him.

Boy, that will put terror in the heart of the next nutcase with a gun
who decides to make himself famous.




If the books hit, he will be dodging. Just going to stand there and wait
to be shot?

If you look around the normal office or classroom, there will be lots
of stuff you can throw.
Eventually someone will man up and go get the guy if he gets
distracted enough

The other part of the drill should be to scatter. Create a situation
where he is always surrounded, Once you clump up, it is easy to shoot
a lot of people without having to really look around,

John probably has the army term for that.

'Mobile Defense' - the plan for holding back the Soviets when they attempted to come
through the Fulda Gap.


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Ban idiots, not guns!

On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 08:03:57 -0400, John H.
wrote:

The other part of the drill should be to scatter. Create a situation
where he is always surrounded, Once you clump up, it is easy to shoot
a lot of people without having to really look around,

John probably has the army term for that.

'Mobile Defense' - the plan for holding back the Soviets when they attempted to come
through the Fulda Gap.

I was referring more to the infantry principle of not bunching up so
that one grenade or mortar round would get everyone.

On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 13:56:53 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 08:03:57 -0400, John H.
wrote:

The other part of the drill should be to scatter. Create a situation
where he is always surrounded, Once you clump up, it is easy to shoot
a lot of people without having to really look around,

John probably has the army term for that.

'Mobile Defense' - the plan for holding back the Soviets when they attempted to come
through the Fulda Gap.

I was referring more to the infantry principle of not bunching up so
that one grenade or mortar round would get everyone.

"One round'll getcha all."

Heard that a bunch of times!
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Ban idiots, not guns!

The Johnny spews..

"One round'll getcha all."

Heard that a bunch of times!"


Really...did you ever learn your lessons?

On 10/5/15 3:35 PM, True North wrote:
The Johnny spews..

"One round'll getcha all."

Heard that a bunch of times!"


Really...did you ever learn your lessons?



Frankly, I think the "advice" being given here on how best to protect
yourself and others from a mass murderer armed with firearms is so much
happy horse****.

On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 15:44:41 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/5/15 3:35 PM, True North wrote:
The Johnny spews..

"One round'll getcha all."

Heard that a bunch of times!"


Really...did you ever learn your lessons?



Frankly, I think the "advice" being given here on how best to protect
yourself and others from a mass murderer armed with firearms is so much
happy horse****.

When the alternative is to sit still and wait your turn to be shot,
why is fighting back "horse ****". The shooter wants to control the
room, don't let him.
These guys are insecure losers most of the time and if you can disrupt
their plan, and confuse them, you might get the seconds you need to
take him down. You certainly do not want to follow the order to all
get in one corner. Spread out and try to surround him. If nothing
else, it is harder to hit a moving target.
I would rather die fighting than praying or crying.

I also believe filling the air with thrown objects will enhance the
chaos and disrupt his plan.

Are you really going to be the one saying "there is nothing you can
do"?

On 10/5/15 4:46 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 15:44:41 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/5/15 3:35 PM, True North wrote:
The Johnny spews..

"One round'll getcha all."

Heard that a bunch of times!"


Really...did you ever learn your lessons?



Frankly, I think the "advice" being given here on how best to protect
yourself and others from a mass murderer armed with firearms is so much
happy horse****.

When the alternative is to sit still and wait your turn to be shot,
why is fighting back "horse ****". The shooter wants to control the
room, don't let him.
These guys are insecure losers most of the time and if you can disrupt
their plan, and confuse them, you might get the seconds you need to
take him down. You certainly do not want to follow the order to all
get in one corner. Spread out and try to surround him. If nothing
else, it is harder to hit a moving target.
I would rather die fighting than praying or crying.

I also believe filling the air with thrown objects will enhance the
chaos and disrupt his plan.

Are you really going to be the one saying "there is nothing you can
do"?



I don't think you're going to get a bunch of students in an American
classroom to do much of anything in concert. Plus, if a shooter walks
into a classroom, the students will likely be sitting down at desks or
maybe in a lecture hall.

The crux is to keep firearms out of the hands of the crazies. There are
things that can be down that will help in that direction.

On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 16:51:03 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

The crux is to keep firearms out of the hands of the crazies. There are
things that can be down that will help in that direction.

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Maybe but it apparently hasn't done much to deter you.