On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 16:51:03 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/5/15 4:46 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 15:44:41 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/5/15 3:35 PM, True North wrote:
The Johnny spews..

"One round'll getcha all."

Heard that a bunch of times!"


Really...did you ever learn your lessons?



Frankly, I think the "advice" being given here on how best to protect
yourself and others from a mass murderer armed with firearms is so much
happy horse****.

When the alternative is to sit still and wait your turn to be shot,
why is fighting back "horse ****". The shooter wants to control the
room, don't let him.
These guys are insecure losers most of the time and if you can disrupt
their plan, and confuse them, you might get the seconds you need to
take him down. You certainly do not want to follow the order to all
get in one corner. Spread out and try to surround him. If nothing
else, it is harder to hit a moving target.
I would rather die fighting than praying or crying.

I also believe filling the air with thrown objects will enhance the
chaos and disrupt his plan.

Are you really going to be the one saying "there is nothing you can
do"?



I don't think you're going to get a bunch of students in an American
classroom to do much of anything in concert. Plus, if a shooter walks
into a classroom, the students will likely be sitting down at desks or
maybe in a lecture hall.


Maybe that is something they should work on.
I think you are just underestimating what people can do
Passengers fighting back has more to do with stopping hijacking than
anything TSA is doing. There still seems to be no problem getting a
gun on a plane but I doubt you could take an airliner with an uzi
today. People understand this is not going to be a trip to Cuba. This
guy plans on killing everyone.

The crux is to keep firearms out of the hands of the crazies. There are
things that can be down that will help in that direction.

That might do something in 20 or 30 years but we need an answer now.
There are hundreds of millions of guns here now, if they stopped
making them tomorrow.

On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:05:51 -0400, wrote:

That might do something in 20 or 30 years but we need an answer now.
There are hundreds of millions of guns here now, if they stopped
making them tomorrow.

===

Before too long someone will figure out how to make an automatic
weapon on a 3D printer. Control that.

On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 12:35:14 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

The Johnny spews..

"One round'll getcha all."

Heard that a bunch of times!"


Really...did you ever learn your lessons?

Nah. This was usually in garrison with a bunch of us standing around bull****ting.
Invariably some NCO would come by and put the words on us.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 3:44:43 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/5/15 3:35 PM, True North wrote:
The Johnny spews..

"One round'll getcha all."

Heard that a bunch of times!"


Really...did you ever learn your lessons?



Frankly, I think the "advice" being given here on how best to protect
yourself and others from a mass murderer armed with firearms is so much
happy horse****.

What's your advice Harry? Don't tell us about the toilet paper part.

In article ,
says...


That might do something in 20 or 30 years but we need an answer now.
There are hundreds of millions of guns here now, if they stopped
making them tomorrow.

What's your hurry? I thought gun deaths numbers are
declining.

On 10/5/2015 4:46 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 15:44:41 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/5/15 3:35 PM, True North wrote:
The Johnny spews..

"One round'll getcha all."

Heard that a bunch of times!"


Really...did you ever learn your lessons?



Frankly, I think the "advice" being given here on how best to protect
yourself and others from a mass murderer armed with firearms is so much
happy horse****.

When the alternative is to sit still and wait your turn to be shot,
why is fighting back "horse ****". The shooter wants to control the
room, don't let him.
These guys are insecure losers most of the time and if you can disrupt
their plan, and confuse them, you might get the seconds you need to
take him down. You certainly do not want to follow the order to all
get in one corner. Spread out and try to surround him. If nothing
else, it is harder to hit a moving target.
I would rather die fighting than praying or crying.

I also believe filling the air with thrown objects will enhance the
chaos and disrupt his plan.

Are you really going to be the one saying "there is nothing you can
do"?



It sounds like a great plan but it's something you would only see in the
movies. Events are happening quickly, the victims are unarmed
civilians and they don't have the benefit of practice drills to
condition themselves to the sound of flying bullets whizzing their heads
as they look for the book they are supposed to chuck at the shooter. In
short, they are terrified and the instinct is to cover your head and
duck. There might be one or two, like the ex-military guy
who tried to go after the shooter (and got shot 7 times in the process)
but for the most part the victims are not in any way prepared.

The situation in the airplane over Pennsylvania on 9/11 was totally
different. Nobody was shooting and the people that rushed the hijackers
knew what was happening (received cell phone calls about the the Twin
Towers). They had time to converse and come up with a plan among
themselves knowing there weren't any other options.

On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 16:51:03 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/5/15 4:46 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 15:44:41 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/5/15 3:35 PM, True North wrote:
The Johnny spews..

"One round'll getcha all."

Heard that a bunch of times!"


Really...did you ever learn your lessons?



Frankly, I think the "advice" being given here on how best to protect
yourself and others from a mass murderer armed with firearms is so much
happy horse****.

When the alternative is to sit still and wait your turn to be shot,
why is fighting back "horse ****". The shooter wants to control the
room, don't let him.
These guys are insecure losers most of the time and if you can disrupt
their plan, and confuse them, you might get the seconds you need to
take him down. You certainly do not want to follow the order to all
get in one corner. Spread out and try to surround him. If nothing
else, it is harder to hit a moving target.
I would rather die fighting than praying or crying.

I also believe filling the air with thrown objects will enhance the
chaos and disrupt his plan.

Are you really going to be the one saying "there is nothing you can
do"?



I don't think you're going to get a bunch of students in an American
classroom to do much of anything in concert. Plus, if a shooter walks
into a classroom, the students will likely be sitting down at desks or
maybe in a lecture hall.

The crux is to keep firearms out of the hands of the crazies. There are
things that can be down that will help in that direction.

Has your wife tried to get a restraining order to relieve you of your firearms yet?
You seem to fit the bill of the latest shooter quite well.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On 10/5/2015 5:05 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 16:51:03 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/5/15 4:46 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 15:44:41 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/5/15 3:35 PM, True North wrote:
The Johnny spews..

"One round'll getcha all."

Heard that a bunch of times!"


Really...did you ever learn your lessons?



Frankly, I think the "advice" being given here on how best to protect
yourself and others from a mass murderer armed with firearms is so much
happy horse****.

When the alternative is to sit still and wait your turn to be shot,
why is fighting back "horse ****". The shooter wants to control the
room, don't let him.
These guys are insecure losers most of the time and if you can disrupt
their plan, and confuse them, you might get the seconds you need to
take him down. You certainly do not want to follow the order to all
get in one corner. Spread out and try to surround him. If nothing
else, it is harder to hit a moving target.
I would rather die fighting than praying or crying.

I also believe filling the air with thrown objects will enhance the
chaos and disrupt his plan.

Are you really going to be the one saying "there is nothing you can
do"?



I don't think you're going to get a bunch of students in an American
classroom to do much of anything in concert. Plus, if a shooter walks
into a classroom, the students will likely be sitting down at desks or
maybe in a lecture hall.


Maybe that is something they should work on.
I think you are just underestimating what people can do
Passengers fighting back has more to do with stopping hijacking than
anything TSA is doing. There still seems to be no problem getting a
gun on a plane but I doubt you could take an airliner with an uzi
today. People understand this is not going to be a trip to Cuba. This
guy plans on killing everyone.

The crux is to keep firearms out of the hands of the crazies. There are
things that can be down that will help in that direction.

That might do something in 20 or 30 years but we need an answer now.
There are hundreds of millions of guns here now, if they stopped
making them tomorrow.




"Hey Joe, what's that there you're packin'?"

"War and Peace" ... you?

"Adventures of Tom Sawyer. Light weight but packs a punch".

On 10/5/15 6:00 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 16:51:03 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/5/15 4:46 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 15:44:41 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/5/15 3:35 PM, True North wrote:
The Johnny spews..

"One round'll getcha all."

Heard that a bunch of times!"


Really...did you ever learn your lessons?



Frankly, I think the "advice" being given here on how best to protect
yourself and others from a mass murderer armed with firearms is so much
happy horse****.

When the alternative is to sit still and wait your turn to be shot,
why is fighting back "horse ****". The shooter wants to control the
room, don't let him.
These guys are insecure losers most of the time and if you can disrupt
their plan, and confuse them, you might get the seconds you need to
take him down. You certainly do not want to follow the order to all
get in one corner. Spread out and try to surround him. If nothing
else, it is harder to hit a moving target.
I would rather die fighting than praying or crying.

I also believe filling the air with thrown objects will enhance the
chaos and disrupt his plan.

Are you really going to be the one saying "there is nothing you can
do"?



I don't think you're going to get a bunch of students in an American
classroom to do much of anything in concert. Plus, if a shooter walks
into a classroom, the students will likely be sitting down at desks or
maybe in a lecture hall.

The crux is to keep firearms out of the hands of the crazies. There are
things that can be down that will help in that direction.

Has your wife tried to get a restraining order to relieve you of your firearms yet?
You seem to fit the bill of the latest shooter quite well.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


No, Johnnymop. Unlike you, I'm not a ****ed off, old, crazy,
semi-crippled, half blind, deaf, toothless & racist white dude with a
chip on my shoulder. You must be some sight at the range, with your
seeing-eye grandkid and your Mosin. What do they do, spin you around
three times and point you at the targets?

On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:25:21 -0400,
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:05:51 -0400, wrote:

That might do something in 20 or 30 years but we need an answer now.
There are hundreds of millions of guns here now, if they stopped
making them tomorrow.

===

Before too long someone will figure out how to make an automatic
weapon on a 3D printer. Control that.

As soon as they make a 3d printer that works with steel "ink".
Right now all they can make are the parts that don't see the pressures
and the impacts. Guys have made the frame and some other parts.
OTOH those parts that can't be plastic are generally consumables so
they are not serialized or controlled. (barrels, firing pins,
extractors, springs and such)